Move Forward Scores Surprise Victory; Pita To Become PM

[zzaa09]

38 minutes ago, bannork said:

I think Professor Thitinan got it right. PT focused on their populist policies as usual whilst MF stressed real institutional reform.

FF and MF didn't come about because of Thaksin. Educated and politically active Thais saw there was simply no party interested in real reform in Thailand. 

Hence their creations, breaking on through to the other side.

......and bound to happen sooner than later. 

The revolution coming home - sort to speak.

[harada]

It’s a bit early for anyone to be celebrating, they’ve still got the big guns and a very big bank account against them, sadly I’m not optimistic that things are about to change sadly. ????

[hoopmonk]

4 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

Very good. Thaksin will not be happy his hobby horse has stumbled. Hope this guy gets a chance to run the country without being stabbed in the back by someone or other.

Actually, this is what he hoped and expected. A coalition of Pheu Thai and Move Forward should suite him quite well. 

[wealthychef]

8 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The people have had enough, the kids are no longer afraid.

Let's see what unfolds in the coming weeks.

Let's see indeed.  After watching the global Mass Formation Psychosis around CoVid measures, I'm not sure that people are less willing to accept a coup if it means their anxieties get to be pinned on a boogeyman.  All the military needs is to find a Bad Guy that's sufficiently scary.  

[Tom H]

376!

[StayinThailand2much]

5 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The leader of the party that wins the most seats has the first opportunity to attempt to form a coalition - it is standard practice all over the world.

What if Pheu Thai says 'no'? And no, having the most votes doesn't take a party automatically into government, esp. if that party has only about 30% of the votes. But yes, there are numerous examples around the world where the strongest party wasn't part of a government, but instead was sidelined by a coalition of other parties.

Edited May 15, 2023 by StayinThailand2much

[h90]

4 hours ago, still kicking said:

Don't celebrate yet he will most properly get banned like Thanathorn last time. It's a shame everybody I know voted for him.

yes they got him already...he broke the law as all these fraudsters....Which is a very bad thing when people vote for someone and than the court kicks them out because of fraud...it does not look good

[h90]

1 minute ago, StayinThailand2much said:

What if Pheu Thai says 'no'? And no, having the most votes doesn't take a party automatically into government, esp. if that party has only about 30% of the votes. But yes, there are numerous examples around the world where the strongest party wasn't part of a government, but instead was sidelined by coalition of other parties.

yes but the first get the first opportunity to try...and hand out the promises and candies so their chances are good

[h90]

17 minutes ago, harada said:

It’s a bit early for anyone to be celebrating, they’ve still got the big guns and a very big bank account against them, sadly I’m not optimistic that things are about to change sadly. ????

The very big bank accounts are staying with them....Both parties are the parties of super rich oligarchs

[kennw]

5 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It will be interesting to see how hard the new government led by Pita goes after the outgoing government for their crimes. No better way to prevent future coups than to lock up the perpetrators of the last coup.

Maybe you have forgotten the years of stablity that has allowed a calm election to take place. Have you also forgotten the chaos of Taksin's red shirt years. Today's result is good for Thailand just keep Taksin out or lock HIM up.

[kingstonkid]

5 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It will be interesting to see how hard the new government led by Pita goes after the outgoing government for their crimes. No better way to prevent future coups than to lock up the perpetrators of the last coup.

YOu obviously must not see what such a plan does.  Look at how divided the U.S. is with all the petty crap.

 

In politics, you fight the fight for power.

When you win you are generous to the preceding party and consider they did their best.

Now is not the time to look back but to look forward.

 

Pita or who ever is going to be PM is going to need to unite the country in order to get support for the things they want to accomplish.

 

The backroom boys will be very upset.

 

 

[nobodysfriend]

The country is ruled by an elite that stands behind politics .

If they feel threatened by the outcome of the election , they will do anything they can to eliminate the threat to them .

Look what happened in Burma .

I do not think that it will end up in a  civil war in Thailand , but I do not think that the transition in power will go smoothly ...

Curb the power of the monarchy , like proposed by MF , will  not be favored by some " persons of great influence and power " .

 

[StayinThailand2much]

22 minutes ago, harada said:

It’s a bit early for anyone to be celebrating, they’ve still got the big guns and a very big bank account against them, sadly I’m not optimistic that things are about to change sadly. ????

I'm only glad that neither, Pheu Thai, nor Anutin's party didn't do too well. As for the repercussions of a new government for expats, we'll have to see...

Edited May 15, 2023 by StayinThailand2much

[kingstonkid]

7 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

The country is ruled by an elite that stands behind politics .

If they feel threatened by the outcome of the election , they will do anything they can to eliminate the threat to them .

Look what happened in Burma .

I do not think that it will end up in a  civil war in Thailand , but I do not think that the transition in power will go smoothly ...

Curb the power of the monarchy , like proposed by MF , will  not be favored by some " persons of great influence and power " .

 

Papers will be filed today to remove the MFP and invalidate the election I am ssure.

 

If the courts are smart they will let the will of the people stand and stay out of it.  

Then again TIT

[Gottfrid]

3 hours ago, candide said:

In Thailand, an elected government has no power on the Judiciary and semi-Judiciary (agencies, such as the NACC). 

Ok, but the have the power to change the rules and laws for such system, and to make amendments and changes to the constitution, right?
 

Wouldn´t the result of such action, be the opposite to your comment?

[bob smith]

The people have spoken.

 

Yesterday was a vote for CHANGE.

 

Thai people have made it patently clear: They have had enough of being ruled by dinosaurs and oligarchs and those with a monopoly on power. The time has come, pack your bags, do the right thing and leave with dignity. Thwart the will of the people at your PERIL!!!

 

Well done MFP. Absolutely stunning victory for Pita and his team. You have the complete backing of the electorate now, go forth and unlock Thailand's true potential ????

 

See you at Democracy Monument tonight ????

[Toolong]

2 hours ago, Enoon said:

They are pathologically unable to "get the message".

 

This is only the beginning.

 

There is a long, hard, way to go:

 

"Oh! pleasant exercise of hope and joy!

For mighty were the auxiliars which then stood

Upon our side, we who were strong in love!

Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,

But to be young was very heaven!—Oh! times,

In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways

Of custom, law, and statute, took at once

The attraction of a country in romance!

When Reason seemed the most to assert her rights"

 

The French Revolution as It Appeared to Enthusiasts at Its Commencement,

By William Wordsworth

 

 

 

 

Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,

But to be young was very heaven!

 

Though sadly I can't count myself among the 'young', and with a cynical nature that predicts a baptism of fire for MFP in the weeks ahead...yes, I'll revel for a moment in a bit of bliss!

 

[Chongalulu]

1 hour ago, Spock said:

So marijuana stays or goes>? If the latter, when?

I think you should allow the effects of last night to wear off before pondering such weighty matters. It'll become clearer and less euphoric in  the cold light of day. .. rather like these results.. ????

[Eloquent pilgrim]

If, and it’s a big if, the Military don’t intervene, a coalition government between Move Forward and Pheu Thai, with Pita as Prime Minister, would be the best thing to happen to Thailand since Grab started delivering somtum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[stoner]

23 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

nor Anutin's party

anutin's party did great. not sure what election you watched. 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by stoner

[MrMojoRisin]

28 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

What if Pheu Thai says 'no'? And no, having the most votes doesn't take a party automatically into government, esp. if that party has only about 30% of the votes. But yes, there are numerous examples around the world where the strongest party wasn't part of a government, but instead was sidelined by a coalition of other parties.

First opportunity to form a government

[fersken]

They were also the largest party in the 2019 election until the E.C. got their leader and the party disbanded, so I'll probably wait a few months and see what happens, and don't forget the 250 votes in the senate, they probably won't vote for him.

[thailand49]

Good luck, he promise change where have we had that before. My son voted for him he wanted change wants it now.

This Being Thailand,  I just smile didn't have the heart to tell him the truth. 

He can't even get his fat lazy ass wife to pickup after herself change is hard even harder when people are selfish.

 

[quake]

everything will be sorted in the next year. . 

 

Nah, it will be, Same, Same but Same again. 

[robblok]

5 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

Very good. Thaksin will not be happy his hobby horse has stumbled. Hope this guy gets a chance to run the country without being stabbed in the back by someone or other.

Yes this is the best possible outcome, Prayut losing and PTP not winning. This will probably keep Thaksin out of the country. Still the Move Forward needs allies who might not be of the same higher standards as they are.

[MrJ2U]

People are wondering why Anutin did as well as he has.

 

He was consistently polling around 14th place at around 2% or less.

 

 

 

 

[GreasyFingers]

Not a political person, even in my home country, but good to see the old frts replaced by a young one. Pity America and China don't do the same.

 

But the most important thing for expats: what will happen to the baht?

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

But the most important thing for expats: what will happen to the baht?

Looks like it is strengthening this morning.....to be expected if Thailand can enter a more stable and democratic era!

[TPI]

Like it or not, any party  wanting to change LM is going to be under threat of a Coup....that's just the way the ball bounces!

[robblok]

4 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Not sure about that. This result is probably the best scenario for Thaksin. His party is crucial in forming a governing coalition so there is power there whilst he will be able to take a back seat as Move Forward push more controversial reforms through parliament. Thaksin would never take the lead on issues such as lese majeste and military reform but his support will be required for Pita to get these changes legislated. PT ruling in their own right would be fraught with danger, this outcome appears that Thaksin will be able to have his cake and eat it. He should be home this year. The end of the Thaksin era is here as  Move Forward are only going to get stronger and stronger as they implement their policies and the Thai demography continues to change in the favour. What of the conservative side from here on in now that they can no longer rely on coups to gain power? You would think it is a long and barren road ahead for them.

Totally disagree to see this as a win for Thaksin, its a huge loss and humiliation. He needed a landslide victory to get back in Thailand he did not get it. This is the best outcome for Thailand and yes now move forward can try to change things with PTP helping while the Move Forward takes the blame for changes. 

 

Also PTP wanted a landslide win they said it themselves we will win take all important ministries and the rest has to obey us (in a interview not to long ago). In a way the PTP is bad for move forward as it means they have to align with this corruption party to form a government. Not saying Prayut was not corrupt probably just as corrupt. But PTP is not known for its working together but known for corruption. Move forward now cant get away from corruption if it wants to cut a deal. 

 

Still this is a great result, move forward doing better as this would be a dream but not likely. I never expected them to beat Thaksin. Seems Thais are able to learn after all.

 

Must say Prayut still got a lot of votes.