Nigel Farage: ‘Brexit has failed’

[youreavinalaff]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have just been to my local supermarket and they seem to be fully stocked with everything  , tomatoes from Holland and peppers from Spain among the produce available and I didn't notice and shortages 

Like I said, personal experiences keep media scaremongering in check.

 

If only Chomper had divulged what he couldn't source, we could have pointed him in the right direction.

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Like I said, personal experiences keep media scaremongering in check.

 

If only Chomper had divulged what he couldn't source, we could have pointed him in the right direction.

I found what I wanted in the second supermarket I visited.

 

Gone are the pre-Brexit days when I could get all my shopping in one supermarket.

 

Others have the same experience, hence the news articles discussing food shortages.

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[youreavinalaff]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I found what I wanted in the second supermarket I visited.

 

Gone are the pre-Brexit days when I could get all my shopping in one supermarket.

 

Others have the same experience, hence the news articles discussing food shortages.

 

 

 

No shortages, surely.

 

If there was a shortage you would not have found what you were looking for.

 

Seems your first post today can be filed under talking %$#@@$ for effect.

Edited May 23, 2023 by youreavinalaff

[Chomper Higgot]

59 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

It's so obvious but you can't see it.

 

Take a break, go and sit in a little corner, write a list of why you think Brexit has failed. When you've done that, compare your notes with the article on Farage.

You are miles apart. The fact you keep referring to what he said is laughable at best.

The reason I’m referring to what Farage has said is, are you ready for this?

 

“Nigel Farage: ‘Brexit has failed’”

 

Is the topic of discussion.

I hope that helps you understand the subject of the thread you are engaging in.

[Mac Mickmanus]

29 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Like I said, personal experiences keep media scaremongering in check.

 

If only Chomper had divulged what he couldn't source, we could have pointed him in the right direction.

It may have been one of those Prime  drinks by Logan Paul and KSI that were selling for huge amounts when they were scarce  , but now some Supermarkets now have them available for regular price 

[youreavinalaff]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The reason I’m referring to what Farage has said is, are you ready for this?

 

“Nigel Farage: ‘Brexit has failed’”

 

Is the topic of discussion.

I hope that helps you understand the subject of the thread you are engaging in.

OK. You seem to agree with Nige. Happy you've crossed the centre line.

 

What reasons he gave do you agree with? 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

OK. You seem to agree with Nige. Happy you've crossed the centre line.

 

What reasons he gave do you agree with? 

 

 

The UK being the only G7 nation not to have recovered its economy to pre-pandemic levels will do as a start.

[youreavinalaff]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK being the only G7 nation not to have recovered its economy to pre-pandemic levels will do as a start.

I don't recall that bit.

 

You still don't see it, do you?

[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK being the only G7 nation not to have recovered its economy to pre-pandemic levels will do as a start.

IMF no longer expects UK recession this year

 

The United Kingdom will not, after all, be the worst-performing rich economy this year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said Tuesday, announcing a major revision to its previous gloomy forecast.

The Washington-based organization said it now expects the UK economy to grow 0.4% in 2023, upgrading its April forecast by a whopping 0.7 percentage points.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/23/economy/uk-economy-imf/index.html

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I don't recall that bit.

 

You still don't see it, do you?

Listen up, again.

 

I have my own reasons for concluding Brexit is a failure.

 

I agree with Farage’s conclusion, I don’t have to agree with how he came to that conclusion.

 

‘The UK is the only G7 nation not to have recovered its economy to its pre Pandemic level’.

 

That in and of itself is reason to conclude Brexit has failed.
 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

IMF no longer expects UK recession this year

 

The United Kingdom will not, after all, be the worst-performing rich economy this year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said Tuesday, announcing a major revision to its previous gloomy forecast.

The Washington-based organization said it now expects the UK economy to grow 0.4% in 2023, upgrading its April forecast by a whopping 0.7 percentage points.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/23/economy/uk-economy-imf/index.html

Oh, a prediction.

[vinny41]

Britain is no longer expected to suffer a recession this year, nor will it have the weakest economic growth in the group of seven leading industrialised economies, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said today.
https://news.sky.com/story/imf-forecasts-dramatic-upgrade-for-uks-economic-outlook-but-more-cost-of-living-pain-to-come-12887402

[youreavinalaff]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, a prediction.

5555555.

 

You don't like it so you dismiss it as a prediction. 

 

The best ( funniest) post so far today.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

5555555.

 

You don't like it so you dismiss it as a prediction. 

 

The best ( funniest) post so far today.

It is a prediction.

[candide]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

IMF no longer expects UK recession this year

 

The United Kingdom will not, after all, be the worst-performing rich economy this year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said Tuesday, announcing a major revision to its previous gloomy forecast.

The Washington-based organization said it now expects the UK economy to grow 0.4% in 2023, upgrading its April forecast by a whopping 0.7 percentage points.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/23/economy/uk-economy-imf/index.html

Changing target again? It does remain that UK GDP is still below pre-pandemic level. So even with 0.4% growth in 2023, it will still be below pre-pandemic level at the end of 2023.

 

"Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q1 2023 was 0.5% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.5% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 5.3% higher. 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Edited May 23, 2023 by candide

[vinny41]

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) today joined the Office for Budget Responsibility and Bank of England in admitting they were wrong to forecast the UK will suffer a tough recession this year.

It previously said just last month that Britain’s economy would shrink 0.3 per cent this year, which would have put the country at the bottom of the G7 growth table.

The globe’s lender of last resort in fresh forecasts hiked its gross domestic product expectations in 2023 to 0.4 per cent.

The new projections mean Germany is now tipped to be the weakest economy in the group of rich nations in 2023.

https://www.cityam.com/imf-ditches-uk-recession-call-and-lifts-gdp-growth-from-bottom-of-g7/

[candide]

15 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) today joined the Office for Budget Responsibility and Bank of England in admitting they were wrong to forecast the UK will suffer a tough recession this year.

It previously said just last month that Britain’s economy would shrink 0.3 per cent this year, which would have put the country at the bottom of the G7 growth table.

The globe’s lender of last resort in fresh forecasts hiked its gross domestic product expectations in 2023 to 0.4 per cent.

The new projections mean Germany is now tipped to be the weakest economy in the group of rich nations in 2023.

https://www.cityam.com/imf-ditches-uk-recession-call-and-lifts-gdp-growth-from-bottom-of-g7/

Good news! So at the end of 2023, UK GDP will only be 0.2% below pandemic level! ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Good news! So at the end of 2023, UK GDP will only be 0.2% below pandemic level! ????

Pre Pandemic (2018), the U.K was faring batter than every other G7 European  Country , apart from Germany ,  only Germany had a higher GDP than the UK .

  As the UK economy was thriving pre pandemic, we have further to go to reach those pre pandemic  levels 

[candide]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Pre Pandemic (2018), the U.K was faring batter than every other G7 European  Country , apart from Germany ,  only Germany had a higher GDP than the UK .

  As the UK economy was thriving pre pandemic, we have further to go to reach those pre pandemic  levels 

Ahem

2019 UK 1.6% Eurozone 1.58%

2018 UK 1.7% Eurozone 1.78%

 

And here about G7. UK ranked 6th in 2018

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-within-g7/

Edited May 23, 2023 by candide

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Ahem

2019 UK 1.6% Eurozone 1.58%

2018 UK 1.7% Eurozone 1.78%

You keep changing . 

You quoted figures for G7 Countries

I commented on those G7 Countries

Now you've changed it to the Eurozone , which is a different set of Countries !!!!!!!!!

[candide]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You keep changing . 

You quoted figures for G7 Countries

I commented on those G7 Countries

Now you've changed it to the Eurozone , which is a different set of Countries !!!!!!!!!

Edited already in my post. UK ranked 6th in G7 in 2018. You may also notice the strong decline from 1st rank in 2016.

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-within-g7/

Edited May 23, 2023 by candide

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Pre Pandemic (2018), the U.K was faring batter than every other G7 European  Country , apart from Germany ,  only Germany had a higher GDP than the UK .

  As the UK economy was thriving pre pandemic, we have further to go to reach those pre pandemic  levels 

And now it’s not.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Edited already in my post. UK ranked 6th in G7 in 2018.

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-within-g7/

Try this 

 

https://charticulator.com/gallery/gdp_g7_2018_linear.html

[candide]

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Try this 

 

https://charticulator.com/gallery/gdp_g7_2018_linear.html

And? Are you calling a 1.6% or 1.7% GDP growth striving? The UK GDP growth in 2018 and 2019 was quite average, compared to Eurozone or G7. It was not in a high growth situation which may explain why it is now a laggard in catching-up.

Edited May 23, 2023 by candide

[candide]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Try this 

 

https://charticulator.com/gallery/gdp_g7_2018_linear.html

If we follow your reasoning, France and UK had similar GDP per Capita. So they had the same burden of a previous high GDP per capita, the same 'handicap', so to say. Now France is 1.8% higher than UK.

[Mac Mickmanus]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

If we follow your reasoning, France and UK had similar GDP per Capita. So they had the same burden of a previous high GDP per capita, the same 'handicap', so to say. Now France is 1.8% higher than UK.

I do get the point that you are making , you dont have to keep making the same point .

   Yes, Brexit has has a detrimental effect on the U.K economy

You don't have to keep stating that or hinting at that . 

[candide]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do get the point that you are making , you dont have to keep making the same point .

   Yes, Brexit has has a detrimental effect on the U.K economy

You don't have to keep stating that or hinting at that . 

If you don't reply to me, I don't need to keep on making the same point.

Edited May 23, 2023 by candide

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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Try this 

 

https://charticulator.com/gallery/gdp_g7_2018_linear.html

 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Try this 

 

https://charticulator.com/gallery/gdp_g7_2018_linear.html

These are averages whether mean or median who can say since, let's face it, it's not much of a source you cited. At any rate, let's look at them from a standpoint of income inequality. The higher the number , the greater the inequality:

United States:................... 18.5

United Kingdom ..............13.8

Italy........................................ 11.6

Canada.................................. 9.4

France................................... 9.1

Germany ..............................6.9

Japan.................................... 4.5

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2023 by placeholder

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

 

These are averages whether mean or median who can say since, let's face it, it's not much of a source you cited. At any rate, let's look at them from a standpoint of income inequality. The higher the number of the Gini coefficient, the greater the inequality:

United States:................... 18.5

United Kingdom ..............13.8

Italy........................................ 11.6

Canada.................................. 9.4

France................................... 9.1

Germany ..............................6.9

Japan.................................... 4.5

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could you give  me a quick explanation as to what the USA and Japan have got to do with the UK and Brexit ?

    What is the connection ? 

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could you give  me a quick explanation as to what the USA and Japan have got to do with the UK and Brexit ?

    What is the connection ? 

Just to show that GDP per capita is an inadequate way of measuring how well an economy is performing.