Prayut s last convulsions from behind the curtain

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

Both the number of shares and the time held have nothing to do with law. If the law says no shares in media companies then don't hold even one. iTV is still around and could have accepted the return of the shares.

bit tricky to sell shares in an inactive company though ..... 

5 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

But it is OK for the military Senators to hold the country to political ransom and ignore what the people have voted for. 

This is Thailand; whoever is (already) ruling AND powerful is right... (I'm being sarcastic.)

Social political stoneage.

The Military triesyany trick to avoid democratical developement.

Hey Thai people expose the cruel military to the international community and in all social media.

 

Nine years ago, the riots between the yellows and the reds gave the military an excuse to stage a coup, draft a manifestly unfair constitution, and take over or stifle all aspects of society in the name of anti-corruption and law and order. The following nine years have been a period of stultification and stagnation. None of the progress and enterprising spirit on the Thaksin years remain. Not only has Thailand failed to progress, the country has actually gone in reverse in many fields. Thai cinema is a case in point. Now a party has arisen that shows the way forward, and the Thai people have spoken loud and clear in favor of their program.  But that voice is now threatened on the flimsiest of technicalities. It is up to the Senators, judges and other parties not to let this happen. They should put the country and democracy first, as the greatest and most beloved Thai of the past hundred years probably would have counselled. If this doesn't work, however, the Thai people in their righteous indignation must launch a protest movement much greater and more determined than anything seen before.  It has been observed that "freedom isn't free", and that "all that is required for injustice to triumph is for good people to remain silent." If not, "Cry, the Beloved Country" will apply to Thailand.

4 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

And so it begins... the establishment will do anything to keep the country in the past. There is far too much power and wealth at stake for a handful of the elite to allow any kind of progress. 

I amazed it took those scum this long to do it waters it been 3 days

I hope that if the military government instill power again and go against the public vote; international sanctions are dealt to Thailands export/import trade. I hope it makes the government suffer with their income GDP. I hope that the international community make Thailand a pariah state in south east Asia and start trading with other countries in a larger scale, dropping back and stopping investment.

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5 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

But it is OK for the military Senators to hold the country to political ransom and ignore what the people have voted for.  

Of course it is, that’s how Thailand has been run for centuries. The military is an instrument of the elite, and many generals are also an integral part of that same elite. They have absolutely no interest in democracy. Why do you think there have been more military coups in Thailand than in probably any other country in the world? Why do you think Prayuth staged a coup in 2014? It’s all to protect the interests of the elite, and the interests of the generals themselves.

Sad, but inevitable. The Thai establishment and military will utilize any pretext to prevent Pita/MF taking office. Only a few Thai people will protest. Memories of the brutal 1973, 1976 and 1992 crackdowns are still fresh. Nothing much is going to change.

Can he not sell his shares now and be done with it?

Well it is the rules. He should’ve crossed his t’s and dot his I’s knowing he’d be heavily scrutinized. 

4 hours ago, h90 said:

yes the junta parties lost massive.....but MF broke the election laws. And there is no government yet. There are solid majorities without MF. I am positive that MF can buy some Democrats and some senators and than Pita get banned and the drama starts again. And with his ideas about 112 it is a questions of months till there are demonstrations. I am not enthusiastic about that. A PTP lead government (I am no fan of them as well) without MF can have a majority and will be easier accepted. And noone can tell they are close to the junta.

name the actual electoral laws that MF broke, and I don't mean the FAKE charge of Pita owning iTV shares. It has already been established and declared by Pita with the EC that he does not OWN the shares and even if he did the number of allegedly owned shares are less than 1% of the companies shares, so from my understanding of the situation, no electoral laws have been broken with regards to these trumped up charges. So please enlighten us as to which electoral laws MF did actually break.

I jus drove from Bangkok to Korat.  There were an awful lot of army convoys going the other way.  Not one large one, but many smaller ones, as one would do when not trying to attract attention.  I sure hope it's nothing to do with this.

6 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

But it is OK for the military Senators to hold the country to political ransom and ignore what the people have voted for.  

The military hand-picked team... 

6 hours ago, CelticBhoy said:

Jeez. There are some sore losers in this country.

But very rich winners... who stay winners.

He has less than 1% shares in Itv & has been trying to sell them. Its wrong to look for nitty gritty accusations when loosing.  

5 hours ago, anchadian said:

PM candidate Gen Prayut will not quit politics but will remain active with the party to "protect the nation, religion & monarchy".

Help thyself.

As the French say, "plus ca change, plus ca meme chose."  

5 hours ago, stoner said:

at any cost. 

No surprise. The military will hang on to its grip on power till the very last drop of blood of the ordinary Thai citizen. Disqualify the opposition, all tyrants use this tactic, just look at Hun Sen

40 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

name the actual electoral laws that MF broke, and I don't mean the FAKE charge of Pita owning iTV shares. It has already been established and declared by Pita with the EC that he does not OWN the shares and even if he did the number of allegedly owned shares are less than 1% of the companies shares, so from my understanding of the situation, no electoral laws have been broken with regards to these trumped up charges. So please enlighten us as to which electoral laws MF did actually break.

ARTICLE 98 of the 2017 Constitution.

 

If as stated he does not own the shares how could he declare them. The fact that he previously declared them to the NACC is only relevant in the circumstances of alleged concealment. 

As far as I know Pita does not deny the shares only the interpretation of holding them.

44 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

name the actual electoral laws that MF broke, and I don't mean the FAKE charge of Pita owning iTV shares. It has already been established and declared by Pita with the EC that he does not OWN the shares and even if he did the number of allegedly owned shares are less than 1% of the companies shares, so from my understanding of the situation, no electoral laws have been broken with regards to these trumped up charges. So please enlighten us as to which electoral laws MF did actually break.

He did own the iTV shares, he even reported them. The company is legally still operating. But you could be right on the 1%. That may rescue him if true. Than there is a complain from BJ against MF lying about their Marijuana policy. But that might go nowhere. That iTV will be interesting.

29 minutes ago, austhai said:

He has less than 1% shares in Itv & has been trying to sell them. Its wrong to look for nitty gritty accusations when loosing.  

Not for nor against but the guy should have gotten rid of these shares

How low they are is irrelevant even though it is my understanding that under a certain amount of shares there is no accountability

As for...trying to sell them...as it is a dormant company , the best would have been to give them away by whichever means, unless that cannot be done legally 

18 minutes ago, geoffrobbo said:

No surprise. The military will hang on to its grip on power till the very last drop of blood of the ordinary Thai citizen. Disqualify the opposition, all tyrants use this tactic, just look at Hun Sen

No one claims that the military party broke any election laws.....many other parties did not brake any election laws, why are always the same parties do something obviously wrong?

Just now, alyx said:

Not for nor against but the guy should have gotten rid of these shares

How low they are is irrelevant even though it is my understanding that under a certain amount of shares there is no accountability

As for...trying to sell them...as it is a dormant company , the best would have been to give them away by whichever means, unless that cannot be done legally 

They still have a value.....you can donate them.....I am sure there are legal ways

28 minutes ago, LALes said:

As the French say, "plus ca change, plus ca meme chose."  

plus ça change plus c'est la même chose

6 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

But it is OK for the military Senators to hold the country to political ransom and ignore what the people have voted for.  

It is according to the Constitution.

Talk rigged elections.

1 minute ago, h90 said:

They still have a value.....you can donate them.....I am sure there are legal ways

Hence the risk should not have been taken 

6 hours ago, Purdey said:

Look, both Pita and Thanathorn knew the law or had legal advisors and ignored it thinking it wouldn’t affect them. Didn’t they know what they were up against?

Good hearts but naive thinking won’t cut it.

It's not correct to say they ignored the law. 

 

Do some reading and understand all the details.

 

In both cases actions had been taken years ago to change the share ownerships. 

4 minutes ago, h90 said:

No one claims that the military party broke any election laws.....many other parties did not brake any election laws, why are always the same parties do something obviously wrong?

Armed armed military coups mentioned in the election laws?