Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes sentenced to 18 years in prison for plot to keep Trump in power

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

jingthing  You are just showing how out of touch you and many others are with Trump supporters.  We do not support those that commit crimes like Soros and the Left does.  If you can tell us who committed a crime and was supported by Trump.  The Marxist with their propaganda is believed by to many people.  Where are the looters and the fire starting BLM and Antifia members that raised real hell during the Summer of Love?  

Apart from Trump saying he would pardon the insurrectionists, I guess the "anti Marxists" don't consider that antifa or the BLM folks who were convicted of various crimes are political prisoners?

[The Theory]

10 hours ago, 2009 said:

I have to ask: what exactly is it you're afraid of happening if Trump is elected as president again?

I'm not afraid if he wins. what I'm afraid of is if he lose. ????

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

jingthing  You are just showing how out of touch you and many others are with Trump supporters.  We do not support those that commit crimes like Soros and the Left does.  If you can tell us who committed a crime and was supported by Trump.  The Marxist with their propaganda is believed by to many people.  Where are the looters and the fire starting BLM and Antifia members that raised real hell during the Summer of Love?  

Demonizing Soros -- transparent code for antisemitism. 

 

The Troubling Truth About The Obsession With George Soros (forbes.com)

 

The January 6th insurrection coup attempt was a direct attack on American democracy and it was incited by Donald Trump. Come on January 6th -- it's gonna be wild!

Edited May 26, 2023 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Just now, The Theory said:

I'm not afraid if he wins. what I'm afraid of is if he lose. ????

That too as he will likely claim victory and incite violence again, even civil war.

You can't win as long as he's around. 

[2009]

31 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That too as he will likely claim victory and incite violence again, even civil war.

You can't win as long as he's around. 

Last time I checked he's the least violent president there's been.

 

How many wars did he fund or countries did he bomb?

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Last time I checked he's the least violent president there's been.

 

How many wars did he fund or countries did he bomb?

He permitted thousands of Kurds to be slaughtered by Russian backed Syrian and Turkish forces in  Syria. He released 5,000 imprisoned Taliban militants in Afghanistan who have persecuted minorities in Iraq ever since. He could also have deterred Putin from attacking Ukraine instead of encouraging him.

Edited May 26, 2023 by ozimoron

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, 2009 said:

Last time I checked he's the least violent president there's been.

 

How many wars did he fund or countries did he bomb?

I'm glad you asked:

 

"As of May 18, the Trump administration had launched 40 airstrikes in Somalia in 2020 alone. That figure is made all the more staggering by the fact that, from 2007 through 2016, the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama conducted 41 airstrikes in Somalia total, according to reporting from Airwars."  https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-killings-count/

 

" President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones."   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

 

Funding for ongoing wars continued under Trump.  Bombings of countries we weren't at war with increased, but accountability decreased under Trump.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, 2009 said:

All I am hearing is hyperbole from anyone who tried to answer my question.

 

They should just tell the truth: I am a democrat so I don't want Trump to be president again.

 

 

When Trump ran for President in 2016 he didn't understand the nuclear triad or why the US policy has always been to prevent nuclear proliferation.  I'm not sure if he understands these things now.

 

I have always opposed Trump as President because he is blatantly unqualified and apparently incapable or unwilling to learn.  Of course with his attempted blackmail of Ukraine, cozying up to Putin, support for insurrection, etc. I now have many other reasons to oppose him as President.

 

I don't oppose Trump on all things.  If he wants to go back to (un)Reality TV and entertain people with low standards and too much free time I have no objections. 

[honcho]

22 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If insurrectionist grifter Trump manages to take power again (tragically it's possible) then he'll likely pardon this criminal and many others that he obviously incited. Trump 2.0 will make Trump 1.0 look like a garden party (if it happens). 

lets hope trump wins and holds the corrupt dems to account for all their cheating and corruption GO DONNY!

[chalawaan]

Fun fact. He shot his own eye out. That was the second dumbest thing he's done. 

[chalawaan]

4 hours ago, 2009 said:

Last time I checked he's the least violent president there's been.

 

How many wars did he fund or countries did he bomb?

Love or hate him, he divided America in a way not seen since the 1863.

I can't believe it's got to the point where the American far right support Russia, and meanwhile Putin claims he's fighting Ukranian Nazis. It makes no sense. And it all started imploding from the day of "the biggest inauguration crowd ever".

So yes, American history is about to get very dark, because as a true Republican once said: "A house divided against itself, cannot stand."

 

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, honcho said:

lets hope trump wins and holds the corrupt dems to account for all their cheating and corruption GO DONNY!

George Santos agrees with you!

 

 

[heybruce]

20 minutes ago, honcho said:

lets hope trump wins and holds the corrupt dems to account for all their cheating and corruption GO DONNY!

First he and the Republicans will have to find proof of cheating and corruption.  They've been trying (or maybe just talking about it) for years and still have nothing.

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32 minutes ago, honcho said:

lets hope trump wins and holds the corrupt dems to account for all their cheating and corruption GO DONNY!

Trump Justice Department kept Clinton Foundation case open until last days of presidency: report

The Trump administration’s Department of Justice (DOJ) kept an investigation into the Clinton Foundation open until the last days of his presidency, The New York Times reported Monday. 

The Times reported that documents and interviews with former DOJ officials revealed that the investigation continued significantly beyond the point when FBI agents and prosecutors knew that the case would not result in any charges being filed. 

The Times obtained the documents through a Freedom of Information Act request. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4016912-trump-justice-department-kept-clinton-foundation-case-open-until-last-days-of-presidency-report/

[EVENKEEL]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

That too as he will likely claim victory and incite violence again, even civil war.

You can't win as long as he's around. 

Mass hysteria continues. You can't honestly believe any of it. 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Mass hysteria continues. You can't honestly believe any of it. 

How can you not believe when you look ar his past actions?

[HappyExpat57]

6 hours ago, chalawaan said:

Love or hate him, he divided America in a way not seen since the 1863.

I can't believe it's got to the point where the American far right support Russia, and meanwhile Putin claims he's fighting Ukranian Nazis. It makes no sense. And it all started imploding from the day of "the biggest inauguration crowd ever".

So yes, American history is about to get very dark, because as a true Republican once said: "A house divided against itself, cannot stand."

 

He didn't divide America, he just made it ok for those who wear white hoods to trade them in for a red ballcap. He has emboldened bigots, and made racism tolerable to millions under the title white nationalism. There has always been an undercurrent of hatred against anyone not white. The former guy just made it popular for them to come out of their hate closet.

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Mass hysteria continues. You can't honestly believe any of it. 

From the man who pulled the US out of the SALT treaty, the single most war mongering act of the century, anything is possible.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

He didn't divide America, he just made it ok for those who wear white hoods to trade them in for a red ballcap. He has emboldened bigots, and made racism tolerable to millions under the title white nationalism. There has always been an undercurrent of hatred against anyone not white. The former guy just made it popular for them to come out of their hate closet.

Trump is milking his base for millions in "campaign contributions" which seem to turn up in other quarters, such as funding his legal battles. O the irony. Perhaps his constituency is too dumb to see Trump's lawyers are demanding payment for legal services, before they set foot in a courtroom. Said lawyers no doubt trust him much less than his contributors, with good reason.

 

It's funny, I ask pro -Trump posters whether they have contributed to Trump's campaign yet, or bought one of his NFT cards. I have yet to get an affirmative answer, which indicates either they don't want to put their money where their mouth is, OR they don't want to admit to being stupid.

[ballpoint]

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

He permitted thousands of Kurds to be slaughtered by Russian backed Syrian and Turkish forces in  Syria. He released 5,000 imprisoned Taliban militants in Afghanistan who have persecuted minorities in Iraq ever since. He could also have deterred Putin from attacking Ukraine instead of encouraging him.

And...

 

"According to a 2018 report in The Daily Beast, Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238.

The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama’s tenure, according to a count by The Associated Press and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

Experts also say drone strikes under President Trump have surged in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria."

 

Under Donald Trump, drone strikes far exceed Obama's numbers - Chicago Sun-Times (suntimes.com)

 

So I'm sure the poster who claimed Trump was the "least violent president there's been" will now stick to his principles by admitting he was wrong, and stop supporting him.

[MrMojoRisin]

18 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Say if Trump won the next election by getting the most votes and he became POTUS again , would that be democracy or not ?

 

Yes - he would be the legitimate president of America.

 

God help us all should that happen.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, ballpoint said:

And...

 

"According to a 2018 report in The Daily Beast, Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238.

The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama’s tenure, according to a count by The Associated Press and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

Experts also say drone strikes under President Trump have surged in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria."

 

Under Donald Trump, drone strikes far exceed Obama's numbers - Chicago Sun-Times (suntimes.com)

 

So I'm sure the poster who claimed Trump was the "least violent president there's been" will now stick to his principles by admitting he was wrong, and stop supporting him.

When pigs fly

[xylophone]

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

1 hour ago, ballpoint said:

So I'm sure the poster who claimed Trump was the "least violent president there's been" will now stick to his principles by admitting he was wrong, and stop supporting him.

When pigs fly

You are asking the impossible of trump supporters, because they still believe his lies about the election being stolen, so they live in an alternate universe, and the oath keepers are just another bunch of nut jobs who are either too dumb to see that they're being taken for a ride, or just plain simpleminded.

[Pink Mist]

A reported personal attack has been removed as well as an off topic post and a baiting post.

[billd766]

22 hours ago, Berkshire said:

People can only predict the future....but past performance/behavior are pretty good indicators.  What kind of "truth" are you looking for? 

The kind of "truth" that only he believes in.

[billd766]

Don't worry Stewart.

 

When DeSantis gets (IF) to be POTUS you will get a pardon.

[xylophone]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Don't worry Stewart.

 

When DeSantis gets (IF) to be POTUS you will get a pardon.

Stewart Rhodes should be locked up for life because he is a danger to civilised society..........but then again this is the USA!

[billd766]

16 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Stewart Rhodes should be locked up for life because he is a danger to civilised society..........but then again this is the USA!

Well if he does the full 18 years he will be 75 when he gets out, and that is around the age that life becomes a real struggle.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Rhodes

 

Elmer Stewart Rhodes III (born 1966) is a disbarred American lawyer, convicted felon, domestic terrorist,[3] and the founder of Oath Keepers,[4] an American far-right and alt-right anti-government militia.[5] In November 2022, he was convicted of seditious conspiracy and evidence tampering with regard to the January 6 United States Capitol attack and subsequently sentenced to 18 years in prison.

[2009]

5 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

There has always been an undercurrent of hatred against anyone not white.

These days I'm the US  there is open racism towards whites - but I suppose that's okay - and whites are even hating themselves for being white, which is weird. Lol.

[HappyExpat57]

6 minutes ago, 2009 said:

These days I'm the US  there is open racism towards whites - but I suppose that's okay - and whites are even hating themselves for being white, which is weird. Lol.

No no no no no no. You cannot compare the two. I suspect you are a regular viewer of Fox (and I WON'T call them news, even THEY admit they're not!) or perhaps some of the even more right extremist shows. Yes, there are isolated instances of people having issues with whites, but the hundreds of years of widespread black oppression continues to this day. Some whites are putting on the false cloak of apologist for being white, that's just foolish.