‘We Need to Start Killing’: Trump’s Far-Right Supporters Are Threatening Civil War

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Will boxes of documents, sworn witness testimony, Trump’s public statements, Trump’s legal team’s signed letters and, ‘O’ Lordy’ there are tapes, suffice?

If it doesn't, what will a rational mind infer?

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

If it doesn't, what will a rational mind infer?

We'll eventually find out what 12 rational minds infer. Other rational minds don't matter.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

If it doesn't, what will a rational mind infer?

I look forward to it the evidence being put to the test in a court of law and will accept the Jury’s verdict.

 

Will you I wonder?

 

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[ozimoron]

12m Americans believe violence is justified to restore Trump to power

 

Two and a half years after the January 6 attack on the Capitol, an estimated 12 million American adults, or 4.4% of the adult population, believe violence is justified to restore Donald Trump to the White House.

 

Though the number of adults who believe this has declined since the insurrection, recent survey data from the University of Chicago reveal alarming and dangerous levels of support for political violence and conspiracy theories across the United States.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/january-6-trump-political-violence-survey

[sammieuk1]

See him popup on the BBC claiming I'm an innocent man but that must be the deodorant he uses ????  

[rattlesnake]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I look forward to it the evidence being put to the test in a court of law and will accept the Jury’s verdict.

 

Will you I wonder?

 

 

Likewise.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

See him popup on the BBC claiming I'm an innocent man but that must be the deodorant he uses ????  

I think it's time to trot out the Trump baby blimp again.

Edited June 10, 2023 by ozimoron

[onthedarkside]

Off topic post removed, this is not about Hunter, Hilary or even Thaksin. 

[Pedrogaz]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If Trump gets elected again, would you support a civil war to get him removed from office ?

Certainly not. The very last thing the US needs is to stop focussing on making wars with other countries and to start to heal the divisions in the US itself. Unfortunately given the US cultural mindset which is that violence is OK if it is against somebody that doesn't believe in the same thing as you (like your view on abortion rights, like your view on gun ownership, like your view on voting for Trump, like your views on racism, BLM, wokeness etc etc). The country is totally polarised on all these issues. Americans (well most of them) cannot agree to disagree about issues.....every issue is Manichean and there is a a good side to every issue which you hold; and an evil side which anyone who doesn't agree with you belongs to. Because every issues is framed in moral terms of good and evil, no one can have a sane discussion about anything in the US.....I know I lived there for 20 odd years.

But now is a time for healing not civil war. And it would help if the FBI, CIA, Pentagon, and government propaganda weren't spewed out night after night on the TV news and for 90% of Americans this is the only news source they watch, and it forms warped opinions.

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Certainly not. The very last thing the US needs is to stop focussing on making wars with other countries and to start to heal the divisions in the US itself. Unfortunately given the US cultural mindset which is that violence is OK if it is against somebody that doesn't believe in the same thing as you (like your view on abortion rights, like your view on gun ownership, like your view on voting for Trump, like your views on racism, BLM, wokeness etc etc). The country is totally polarised on all these issues. Americans (well most of them) cannot agree to disagree about issues.....every issue is Manichean and there is a a good side to every issue which you hold; and an evil side which anyone who doesn't agree with you belongs to. Because every issues is framed in moral terms of good and evil, no one can have a sane discussion about anything in the US.....I know I lived there for 20 odd years.

But now is a time for healing not civil war. And it would help if the FBI, CIA, Pentagon, and government propaganda weren't spewed out night after night on the TV news and for 90% of Americans this is the only news source they watch, and it forms warped opinions.

If 90% only watches msm there wouldn't be the division. It's the fringe nonsense and guilability that's causing this.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Trump has definitely invaded peoples minds.  You have to believe that they will eventually see the light, or maybe not........

Judging by the responses I've seen on here I will go with the, "maybe not" part of your post.

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see, is an old saying which seems to fit the bill here.
 

[Tug]

Even the die hard trumpers have seen what happened to the J6 fools it’s all puffery with a few idiots sprinkled in it’s good to get them out in the open so we know who they are

[Felton Jarvis]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Art least one Republican house rep has also tweeted a call for civil war.

The last Civil War did not end well.  Something to remember.

[onthedarkside]

Off topic baiting post derailing the thread along with replies have been removed

[connda]

7 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

“We need to start killing these traitorous <deleted>stains,” wrote one Trump supporter on The Donald, a rabidly pro-Trump message board that played a key role in planning the January 6 attack on the Capitol. Another user added: “It's not gonna stop until bodies start stacking up. We are not civilly represented anymore and they'll come for us next. Some of us, they already have.”

So there is one nut job in the US (or maybe not in the US) who is promoting violence.  This may be a real 'Trump Supporter', or it may be agent-provocateur who claims to be a 'Trump Supporter.'
This provides the "Paint."
Then a neo-liberal media uses that "paint" to make board brush strokes in order to paint every single Trump supporter, or for that matter every single conservative, as trigger-happy, civil-war advocating insurrectionists.

You really have to ask the question.  Who actually are those whom are advocating violence and civil discord?

Elevating one right-wing whack-job to be representative of every Trump supporter is perhaps, in itself, an act of provoking violence and extremism - regardless if that extremism is on the "right" or on the "left." 

Humanity needs to begin to find common ground and acceptance of others with different views.  If all side feel they have the only "true reality?"  Yeah - then there will be war - civil, regional, and global.  I swear that many here, especially those who are too young to have had parents fighting in WWII simply, who actually advocate a 'righteous hatred' of all those who fail to follow their own ideologies - Left, Right, and Center.

Study history.  There is a real, immanent danger in engaging in this type of rhetoric.



 

Edited June 10, 2023 by connda

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, connda said:

So there is one nut job in the US (or maybe not in the US) who is promoting violence.  This may be a real 'Trump Supporter', or it may be agent-provocateur who claims to be a 'Trump Supporter.'
This provides the "Paint."
Then a neo-liberal media uses that "paint" to make board brush strokes in order to paint every single Trump supporter, or for that matter every single conservative, as trigger-happy, civil-war advocating insurrectionists.

You really have to ask the question.  Who actually are those whom are advocating violence and civil discord?

Elevating one right-wing whack-job to be representative of every Trump supporter is perhaps, in itself, an act of provoking violence and extremism - regardless if that extremism is on the "right" or on the "left." 

Humanity needs to begin to find common ground and acceptance of others with different views.  If all side feel they have the only "true reality?"  Yeah - then there will be war - civil, regional, and global.  I swear that many here, especially those who are too young to have had parents fighting in WWII simply, who actually advocate a 'righteous hatred' of all those who fail to follow their own ideologies - Left, Right, and Center.

Study history.  There is a real, immanent danger in engaging in this type of rhetoric.

While reading your post I couldn't help but think about how conservatives "paint" everyone who disagrees with them as woke.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, connda said:

So there is one nut job in the US (or maybe not in the US) who is promoting violence.  This may be a real 'Trump Supporter', or it may be agent-provocateur who claims to be a 'Trump Supporter.'
This provides the "Paint."
Then a neo-liberal media uses that "paint" to make board brush strokes in order to paint every single Trump supporter, or for that matter every single conservative, as trigger-happy, civil-war advocating insurrectionists.

You really have to ask the question.  Who actually are those whom are advocating violence and civil discord?

Elevating one right-wing whack-job to be representative of every Trump supporter is perhaps, in itself, an act of provoking violence and extremism - regardless if that extremism is on the "right" or on the "left." 

Humanity needs to begin to find common ground and acceptance of others with different views.  If all side feel they have the only "true reality?"  Yeah - then there will be war - civil, regional, and global.  I swear that many here, especially those who are too young to have had parents fighting in WWII simply, who actually advocate a 'righteous hatred' of all those who fail to follow their own ideologies - Left, Right, and Center.

Study history.  There is a real, immanent danger in engaging in this type of rhetoric.



 

Study history.  There is a real, immanent danger in engaging in this type of rhetoric.

 

Indeed these far right wing message boards are notorious for engaging in hate speech and promoting violence, so much so that the owner of the original one had to close it down.

 

TheDonald’s owner speaks out on why he finally pulled plug on hate-filled site

The Army veteran, a site moderator who owned its domain, watched with growing alarm as racism, threats and QAnon references flourished on the pro-Trump site. His former co-moderators called him a ‘sellout’ who went ‘rogue’ after internal schism.

Jody Williams knew things had gotten out of hand early last month, when a post on the pro-Trump message board TheDonald included a detailed diagram of how to tie a “hangman’s knot” on a noose. Three days later, on Jan. 6, a real noose was hung on makeshift gallows on the National Mall, amid a violent siege on the U.S. Capitol.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/02/05/why-thedonald-moderator-left/

[candide]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Even the die hard trumpers have seen what happened to the J6 fools it’s all puffery with a few idiots sprinkled in it’s good to get them out in the open so we know who they are

I had a look at Fox News and I was struck by the fact they were quite explicitly showing the main elements of the indictment: the charges, the pictures,  Of course, there were always commentators making the usual reflections, but the general tune was "It's a damning indictment, but..." ( choose between the following options: Biden/Ukraine, weaponization, no harm done, etc...)

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

let's be honest there's enough American armed more than the military to begin a civil war the only thing they don't walk around with ib RPGs.

It doesn't really work that way - at the end of the day they are still a collection of fat knackers with Walmart Armalites, who if they emerge to start strutting their stuff will get taken apart very quickly.

 

What would worry me is if the Fascists had infiltrated the police and army to a significant degree - to the extent that units or subunits "declare for trump"

[Thailand]

1 hour ago, connda said:

So there is one nut job in the US (or maybe not in the US) who is promoting violence.  This may be a real 'Trump Supporter', or it may be agent-provocateur who claims to be a 'Trump Supporter.'
This provides the "Paint."
Then a neo-liberal media uses that "paint" to make board brush strokes in order to paint every single Trump supporter, or for that matter every single conservative, as trigger-happy, civil-war advocating insurrectionists.

You really have to ask the question.  Who actually are those whom are advocating violence and civil discord?

Elevating one right-wing whack-job to be representative of every Trump supporter is perhaps, in itself, an act of provoking violence and extremism - regardless if that extremism is on the "right" or on the "left." 

Humanity needs to begin to find common ground and acceptance of others with different views.  If all side feel they have the only "true reality?"  Yeah - then there will be war - civil, regional, and global.  I swear that many here, especially those who are too young to have had parents fighting in WWII simply, who actually advocate a 'righteous hatred' of all those who fail to follow their own ideologies - Left, Right, and Center.

Study history.  There is a real, immanent danger in engaging in this type of rhetoric.



 

Have to admit to being admit a Twitter reader and there is far more more than one person advocating violence and many of them are well known names in the US, predominately Republicans. They are happy to promote violence using their real names and in many cases their positions in opposition to the current government.

You might expect these prominent persons to be more sensible about their approach to this current situation but they are not. Sadly some sort of cult fever has taken hold!

[Bkk Brian]

43 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Have to admit to being admit a Twitter reader and there is far more more than one person advocating violence and many of them are well known names in the US, predominately Republicans. They are happy to promote violence using their real names and in many cases their positions in opposition to the current government.

You might expect these prominent persons to be more sensible about their approach to this current situation but they are not. Sadly some sort of cult fever has taken hold!

Talking about well known names, there's a video of Kari Lake giving this beauty going round twitter:

 

“If you want to get to President Trump, you’re going to have to go through me and you’re going to have to go through 75 million Americans just like me,” said Lake, a staunch Trump ally who lost her 2022 bid for governor.
Most of those Trump voters, she pointedly added, are “card-carrying members” of the National Rifle Association.
“That’s not a threat. That’s a public service announcement,” she said. “We will not let you lay a finger on President Trump. Frankly, now is the time to cling to our guns and our religion.”

https://www.ajc.com/politics/kari-lake-on-indictment-you-will-not-lay-a-finger-on-president-trump/MMN42LXFBFAI3OLFITJY7TPIHE/

 

 

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

let's be honest there's enough American armed more than the military to begin a civil war the only thing they don't walk around with ib RPGs.

t doesn't really work that way - at the end of the day they are still a collection of fat knackers with accessorised Walmart Armalites, who if they emerge to start strutting their stuff will get taken apart very quickly.

 

A collection of "Walt's" - standing for Walter Mittys; I have seen them referred to as "Gravy Seals"!

 

What would worry me is if the Fascists had infiltrated the police and army to a significant degree - to the extent that units or subunits "declare for Trump"

Edited June 10, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[candide]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Talking about well known names, there's a video of Kari Lake giving this beauty going round twitter:

 

“If you want to get to President Trump, you’re going to have to go through me and you’re going to have to go through 75 million Americans just like me,” said Lake, a staunch Trump ally who lost her 2022 bid for governor.
Most of those Trump voters, she pointedly added, are “card-carrying members” of the National Rifle Association.
“That’s not a threat. That’s a public service announcement,” she said. “We will not let you lay a finger on President Trump. Frankly, now is the time to cling to our guns and our religion.”

https://www.ajc.com/politics/kari-lake-on-indictment-you-will-not-lay-a-finger-on-president-trump/MMN42LXFBFAI3OLFITJY7TPIHE/

 

 

 

 

And that's the bitch some people would like to have as VP!

[bendejo]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

While reading your post I couldn't help but think about how conservatives "paint" everyone who disagrees with them as woke.

You may have noticed that being a conservative does not require a lot of thought.

It's easy to toss around a word you can't define.

 

[shdmn]

That just means more of these idiots are going to prison and losing the right to vote, which all sounds good to me.

Edited June 10, 2023 by shdmn

[onthedarkside]

UPDATE: Trump Supporters’ Violent Rhetoric in His Defense Disturbs Experts

 

The federal indictment of former President Donald J. Trump has unleashed a wave of calls by his supporters for violence and an uprising to defend him, disturbing observers and raising concerns of a dangerous atmosphere ahead of his court appearance in Miami on Tuesday.

In social media posts and public remarks, close allies of Mr. Trump — including a member of Congress — have portrayed the indictment as an act of war, called for retribution and highlighted the fact that much of his base carries weapons. The allies have painted Mr. Trump as a victim of a weaponized Justice Department controlled by President Biden, his potential opponent in the 2024 election.

READ MORE

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/10/us/politics/trump-supporter-violent-rhetoric.html

 

 

No paywall Archive Link

[ThailandRyan]

One wonders if they have ever looked at the oath of office they took when they were sworn in.  This theatrical rhetoric needs to be squashed by the Sergeants at Arms in both chambers and the members of both the lower and upper House put on notice that continuing this rhetoric is a violation of the 14th ammendment.

 

PDF of the ammendment:

 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/lsb/lsb10569

 

Here is a link and some information:

 

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14/annotation15.html

 

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Frequently Asked Questions

What does the Constitution say about insurrection?

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits anyone who has previously taken an oath of office (Senators, Representatives, and other public officials) from holding public office if they have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States. This means, at least theoretically, that politicians who participate in or encourage a rebellion against the government can not only be removed from office but prevented from holding state and federal offices in the future. However, how disqualification works under the 14th Amendment has never been clear.

 

[BangkokReady]

18 hours ago, Felton Jarvis said:

The last Civil War did not end well.  Something to remember.

Didn't the North win and end slavery?  That isn't good to you?

[onthedarkside]

A blatantly false claim post has been removed along with replies to it.

[Felton Jarvis]

10 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Didn't the North win and end slavery?  That isn't good to you?

I was referring to the DAMAGE done. They ended slavery but the cost in human life was astronomical.