Thai submarine to be powered by Chinese engine following German withdrawal

[seajae]

hahahaha, they are on their way out so wanted to make sure their cake boxes are not withdrawn so have accepted much poorer and unreliable options to get their share of the graft, also didnt they say that it was being left up to the new govt to decide what to do

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, Robin said:

Remember to close all hatches before leaving port

How will they be able to see where they are going?

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, jaideedave said:

I was at Queen Sirikit Naval hospital last year and noticed a couple Thai officers in uniform with submarine badges. What's that all about?

Bling, about as meaningful as the parachute wings everyone in uniform, from condo security guards up wear!

 

As someone who was parachute trained, (albeit a very long time ago!) I find it a bit pathetic frankly.

 

My stepson did a day doing "tower jumps" when he was in the scouts, and got a set of wings for his scout uniform. Fair enough, for a 14 year old boy or girl to do those jumps requires bottle, well done them! But when he did his National Service he had to wear them on his uniform, in fact he was bollocked for not doing so!

 

 

[Gknrd]

Dive Dive Dive, the enemy is on the horizon.. Sir, we at low tide and the water is only 10 feet deep... 

Abandon ship, Abandon ship..  

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, jaideedave said:

Correct herfie,The average depth of the gulf is 190 ft. I served 4 years on a diesel,electric sub that was 312 ft long.End on it would stick out of the water here by 120 ft.lol. The Yuan is about 250 ft.At least if it sank in the gulf the men could just pop open a hatch and swim to the surface. We trained for that at Ford Island sub base in Hawaii.

FYI: I was at Queen Sirikit Naval hospital last year and noticed a couple Thai officers in uniform with submarine badges. What's that all about?

 

 

Must have been 7 years ago. There I met Thai soldiers which were in a submarine training program in Kiel, at Germanys submarine base.

[wombat]

thats cute...they can now park it up at the sub base the Chinese have built in Cambodia.
game set & match to China.

[KannikaP]

4 hours ago, h90 said:

It would be better to cancel taxes for the poor

I do not know any 'poor' people in my village who know what the word TAXES means let alone pay any.

[spidermike007]

My question is this. If the extremely toxic and dangerously timid army were unwilling to take any risks whatsoever, with regard to Covid, why are they spending 22 billion baht on submarines? Obviously there is some risk in operating subs, and even more risk if as they say, they are purposed to protect against terrorist threats and any threat in the South China Sea. The real budget is more like 13 billion baht for the first 
S26T Yuan Class sub, due in 2013. And the real cost for the subsequent two? 

Thai naval forces have not operated submarines for over 60 years now, while neighboring countries, particularly those with a major dispute at sea with Thailand, such as Vietnam, are all equipped with modern submarines. Looks like they are willing to take a huge risk with the treasury. Why so timid with Covid?

This government is a whirlpool of conflicting loyalties and interests. It's leader has to manage those interests, and effectively buy the loyalties of the various parts of the armed forces. The submarines are the price he has to pay for the navy supporting him. They will end up unusable and unaffordable, as did the aircraft carrier

There is no strategic justification for the submarines. There is really no military threat to Thailand, none of the countries with which it shares a land border have the capacity for anything other than the occasional cross border firefight. If you look carefully at all the military procurement of recent years, they are all to support ambitions, and thus buy the support of the various rival groups within the armed forces. They simply do not add up to any sort of a coherent modernisation or re-equipment of what remains a largely obsolete, immobile and under trained force, able only to undertake the most mundane of garrison duties, whilst it's bloated leadership occupies itself with playing politics or their own largely unregulated business ventures.

The government however (or more realistically those to whom it reports) must rely upon the military to keep it in power. It was put into power for one core function; to prevent the nascent political, social and economic liberalisation of Thai society which arose with the arrival of new technologies and communications, which have allowed a (younger) population which has long been kept ill educated and dependent for any advancement on its elders and sponsors, to communicate, educate themselves and develop business independent of those elders and sponsors. The Covid crisis is in a dimension beyond that, and it's timid, chaotic "rabbit in the headlights" response to the challenges it brings are simply because it does not know how to react, other than to use some of the opportunities to exercise power, in pursuit of that core function, which the social and political restrictions they argue the disease has necessitated give them.
 

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Gknrd said:

Dive Dive Dive, the enemy is on the horizon.. Sir, we at low tide and the water is only 10 feet deep... 

Abandon ship, Abandon ship..  

into the waiting songtail boats with 50 cal gun turrets. 

[Almer]

5 hours ago, h90 said:

handing out money is a bit in the direction of communism.....It would better to lower or abolish the taxes for the poor as the first step.

As second improve education....best with free technical schools...but that need decades to show results. Taxes would help immediately.

 

What taxes do the poor in Thailand pay, come to that what taxes do the not poor pay? 

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

The CHD620 is a Deutz design made in China.  As long as the factory can meet the original specifications it should be the same as the German engine.

 

Of course, the real problem is not where the engine was made, it's why Thailand needs a sub at all.

Skimming.... 

[h90]

28 minutes ago, Almer said:

What taxes do the poor in Thailand pay, come to that what taxes do the not poor pay? 

The pay a 7% on everything 7/11 has..and if they buy there a beer or cigarettes it is >50%

tax on food hurts the poor mostly.

But they also pay tax in their mobile phone, on the mobile phone fees, on the gasoline, on the TV they buy.....

If I remember correct medicine and books have no VAT in Thailand

[soalbundy]

6 hours ago, stoner said:

use sub money to help thai. who cares about chinese companies. my heart has very little emotion for communism. 

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs........Karl Marx.

[h90]

41 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

I do not know any 'poor' people in my village who know what the word TAXES means let alone pay any.

no 7/11 in the village?

[KannikaP]

Just now, h90 said:

no 7/11 in the village?

No, believe it or not, my closest is 13 km away.

[h90]

37 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

My question is this. If the extremely toxic and dangerously timid army were unwilling to take any risks whatsoever, with regard to Covid, why are they spending 22 billion baht on submarines? Obviously there is some risk in operating subs, and even more risk if as they say, they are purposed to protect against terrorist threats and any threat in the South China Sea. The real budget is more like 13 billion baht for the first 
S26T Yuan Class sub, due in 2013. And the real cost for the subsequent two? 

Thai naval forces have not operated submarines for over 60 years now, while neighboring countries, particularly those with a major dispute at sea with Thailand, such as Vietnam, are all equipped with modern submarines. Looks like they are willing to take a huge risk with the treasury. Why so timid with Covid?

This government is a whirlpool of conflicting loyalties and interests. It's leader has to manage those interests, and effectively buy the loyalties of the various parts of the armed forces. The submarines are the price he has to pay for the navy supporting him. They will end up unusable and unaffordable, as did the aircraft carrier

There is no strategic justification for the submarines. There is really no military threat to Thailand, none of the countries with which it shares a land border have the capacity for anything other than the occasional cross border firefight. If you look carefully at all the military procurement of recent years, they are all to support ambitions, and thus buy the support of the various rival groups within the armed forces. They simply do not add up to any sort of a coherent modernisation or re-equipment of what remains a largely obsolete, immobile and under trained force, able only to undertake the most mundane of garrison duties, whilst it's bloated leadership occupies itself with playing politics or their own largely unregulated business ventures.

The government however (or more realistically those to whom it reports) must rely upon the military to keep it in power. It was put into power for one core function; to prevent the nascent political, social and economic liberalisation of Thai society which arose with the arrival of new technologies and communications, which have allowed a (younger) population which has long been kept ill educated and dependent for any advancement on its elders and sponsors, to communicate, educate themselves and develop business independent of those elders and sponsors. The Covid crisis is in a dimension beyond that, and it's timid, chaotic "rabbit in the headlights" response to the challenges it brings are simply because it does not know how to react, other than to use some of the opportunities to exercise power, in pursuit of that core function, which the social and political restrictions they argue the disease has necessitated give them.
 

And how will the do the distancing in the submarine?

Yes they should be ashamed of what they did during covid....in this we agree.

[h90]

Just now, KannikaP said:

No, believe it or not, my closest is 13 km away.

Than they really pay no or almost no tax...specially if the booze and cigarettes are also creative sourced.

[steven100]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

clarifying that it wouldn’t be for the propulsion system of the Thai submarine. Instead, it’s meant for energy generation to recharge the batteries operating the submarine.

Thai navy :  โอ้ ' เราคิดว่าเราจะได้เครื่องยนต์ในราคาถูก     Translated :  Oh ' we thought we could get the engine for cheap     ????

[billd766]

7 hours ago, h90 said:

maybe because they have a long coast line?

And very shallow waters.

 

The RTN would have done better to but a fleet of anti submarine vessels and exercise with the 2 Malaysian submarines, or the 4 Singapore submarines, or the 4 Indonesian submarines.

 

Each country could learn from these exercises, not to mention that anti submarine vessels would be cheaper.

[Cake Monster]

The deciding factor was the free spares pack, which consisted of a large pack of Rubber Bands and an LED Light Bulb

[h90]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And very shallow waters.

 

The RTN would have done better to but a fleet of anti submarine vessels and exercise with the 2 Malaysian submarines, or the 4 Singapore submarines, or the 4 Indonesian submarines.

 

Each country could learn from these exercises, not to mention that anti submarine vessels would be cheaper.

That is an advantage...you can't sink the submarine in the gulf.....a bit of it is always above the water....

[TheFishman1]

They need the submarine some very high-ranking military people will receive a big fat brown envelope. TIT

[MikeandDow]

Just now, TheFishman1 said:

They need the submarine some very high-ranking military people will receive a big fat brown envelope. TIT

Mute disscusion if MF get in the subs will be gone

[PETERTHEEATER]

7 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

The CHD620 is a Deutz design made in China.  As long as the factory can meet the original specifications it should be the same as the German engine.

 

Of course, the real problem is not where the engine was made, it's why Thailand needs a sub at all.

'Thai submarine aligns with the navy’s mission to fortify the country’s maritime interests.' ????

[chickenslegs]

7 hours ago, h90 said:

maybe because they have a long coast line?

Then spend the money on coastal patrol boats to police the dumping of oil and other garbage, which ruins the reefs and beaches.

[h90]

Just now, chickenslegs said:

Then spend the money on coastal patrol boats to police the dumping of oil and other garbage, which ruins the reefs and beaches.

I have seen the boats that patrol the marine park in Chumphon....they were hard wired.....with satellite dish on the land, etc....they didn't move for years....but I am sure in the books they still consume a lot diesel.....And I guess the staff has all diesel cars

[Callmeishmael]

5 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

Then spend the money on coastal patrol boats to police the dumping of oil and other garbage, which ruins the reefs and beaches.

^  Yes, Thailand does not need subs, it needs to turn 1/2 of its Navy into a Coast Guard that would actually be useful.

[NoDisplayName]

Excellent news.

Can't wait to see the pride of the Thai navy patrolling the Mekong.

[BritScot]

8 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

The CHD620 is a Deutz design made in China.  As long as the factory can meet the original specifications it should be the same as the German engine.

 

Of course, the real problem is not where the engine was made, it's why Thailand needs a sub at all.

Kick backs that's why they never purchased Western subs which are far superior and work. Note (also no tracking devices hidden).

[billd766]

14 minutes ago, h90 said:

That is an advantage...you can't sink the submarine in the gulf.....a bit of it is always above the water....

Not so.

 

The deepest part of Thai waters is around 190 metres.

 

The Yuan class submarine  has these details 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_039A_submarine

 

Structure: double hulled
Length: 66 meter
Beam: 8 meter
Draft: 8.2 meter
Surface displacement: 1,850 tons
Submerged displacement: 2,300 tons
Maximum speed: 18 knots
Cruise speed: 16 knots
Range: 8000 nautical miles at 16 knots
Endurance: 60 days
Crew: 38 total
Maximum depth: 300 meters

 

The draft of 8.2 metres means the normal depth of water from the keel to the waterline. Even if you add another 12 metres to it to get to periscope depth, it is still only 20 metres in height.

 

That means that if it is on the seabed there is still 150 metres of water above it at the deepest point of the Gulf of Thailand.