Thai parliamentary roadblock paves way for return of outgoing coalition govt

[webfact]

 

Ongoing efforts to form a new government after the May 14 general election have hit a roadblock – an impasse that may pave the way for the return of the outgoing coalition, analysts say.

 

The eight-party coalition has failed to gather enough parliamentary votes for its prime ministerial candidate even after the election-winning Move Forward with 151 MPs stepped aside to allow runner-up Pheu Thai (141 MPs) to take the lead. Parties outside the coalition have refused to work with Move Forward due to ideological differences.

 

Pheu Thai leaders met with counterparts from five parties in the outgoing coalition government over the past weekend to “seek their advice on a way out for the country”. But leaders of Bhumjaithai (71 MPs), Palang Pracharath (40), United Thai Nation (36), and Chartthaipattana (10) stated after their separate meetings with Pheu Thai that they would not join a government coalition that included Move Forward as they opposed its policy for reform of Article 112 of the Penal Code or the lese majeste law.

 

Chart Pattana Kla (two MPs) said it would work with Move Forward on condition that Article 112 was left unchanged.

 

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai leader Cholnan Srikaew unexpectedly suggested on Monday that the election’s third-placed party Bhumjaithai should be allowed to try forming a new government. “Now that Pheu Thai has failed and run out of options, the baton should be passed to the third largest party,” he said.

Cholnan noted that Bhumjaithai’s rival 10-party alliance commands 188 MPs, more than either Move Forward or Pheu Thai alone.

 

Political stalemate

 

Observers say that while Pheu Thai seems to be hinting that Move Forward is the problem and should leave, the latter has opted to insist on its place in the eight-party coalition. This stalemate may leave Pheu Thai with no choice but to leave the alliance and form a new government with the 188 MPs from the outgoing coalition, they add.

 

The analysts reckon that in this scenario, Palang Pracharath leader General Prawit Wongsuwan or Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul has a strong chance of becoming the next prime minister.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-parliamentary-roadblock-paves-way-for-return-of-outgoing-coalition-govt/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-07-26

 

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[mfd101]

Enough to make us all throw up.

[anchadian]

Yes, absolutely horrific for all those Thai people that voted for MFP if this is allowed to happen.

 

What more can one say?

[Mavideol]

last night CNN with Amanpour had an interesting interview with Pita, he did say some interesting things worth of listening

[anchadian]

 

#ThaiEnquirer News Summary -July 26, 2023 - Reports of a new coalition that would exclude the 2014 coup makers and Move Forward party from the formation of the government shaping up. - Thaksin Shinawatra reportedly in Hong Kong and met a person named ‘Thanathorn’ before the announcement of the cancellation of the 8-coalition parties meeting yesterday. - Thaksin reportedly set to return to Thailand on August 7th 2023 - Constitutional Court reportedly to look into the petition by the Office of Ombudsman set to consider the rejection of Move Forward party’s Prime Minister candidate – Pita Limjaroenrat’s nomination in 7-days. - National Economic & Social Development Council (NESDC) says continued delay in the selection of Prime Minister could be bad for the economy.

 

Need to read:

https://www.thaienquirer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Thai-Enquirer-News-Summary-July-26-2023.pdf

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by anchadian

[smedly]

29 minutes ago, webfact said:

Cholnan noted that Bhumjaithai’s rival 10-party alliance commands 188 MPs, more than either Move Forward or Pheu Thai alone.

ha ha - go ahead, you will not control anything and will be outvoted in lower house no matter what you do, it is unworkable, you created this mess by trying to remain in control, what you didn't account for was the thai people rejecting you in a democratic vote - well done for your twisted form of non democracy only to find out it is not democratic in the slightest.........epic fail

[jaideedave]

51 minutes ago, webfact said:

 

Ongoing efforts to form a new government after the May 14 general election have hit a roadblock – an impasse that may pave the way for the return of the outgoing coalition, analysts say.

 

The eight-party coalition has failed to gather enough parliamentary votes for its prime ministerial candidate even after the election-winning Move Forward with 151 MPs stepped aside to allow runner-up Pheu Thai (141 MPs) to take the lead. Parties outside the coalition have refused to work with Move Forward due to ideological differences.

 

Pheu Thai leaders met with counterparts from five parties in the outgoing coalition government over the past weekend to “seek their advice on a way out for the country”. But leaders of Bhumjaithai (71 MPs), Palang Pracharath (40), United Thai Nation (36), and Chartthaipattana (10) stated after their separate meetings with Pheu Thai that they would not join a government coalition that included Move Forward as they opposed its policy for reform of Article 112 of the Penal Code or the lese majeste law.

 

Chart Pattana Kla (two MPs) said it would work with Move Forward on condition that Article 112 was left unchanged.

 

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai leader Cholnan Srikaew unexpectedly suggested on Monday that the election’s third-placed party Bhumjaithai should be allowed to try forming a new government. “Now that Pheu Thai has failed and run out of options, the baton should be passed to the third largest party,” he said.

Cholnan noted that Bhumjaithai’s rival 10-party alliance commands 188 MPs, more than either Move Forward or Pheu Thai alone.

 

Political stalemate

 

Observers say that while Pheu Thai seems to be hinting that Move Forward is the problem and should leave, the latter has opted to insist on its place in the eight-party coalition. This stalemate may leave Pheu Thai with no choice but to leave the alliance and form a new government with the 188 MPs from the outgoing coalition, they add.

 

The analysts reckon that in this scenario, Palang Pracharath leader General Prawit Wongsuwan or Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul has a strong chance of becoming the next prime minister.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-parliamentary-roadblock-paves-way-for-return-of-outgoing-coalition-govt/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-07-26

 

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What a bloody mess. Democracy takes a back seat to the cartel. Really though, is anyone surprised?

[Tropicalevo]

And that was the dinosaurs' plan all along.

They stay in power and extend the deadline to remove the senators. ????

[bamnutsak]

35 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

last night CNN with Amanpour had an interesting interview with Pita, he did say some interesting things worth of listening

 

Yes, very impressive.

 

I can see why the Old Guard fears him.

 

 

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

 

Ongoing efforts to form a new government after the May 14 general election have hit a roadblock – an impasse that may pave the way for the return of the outgoing coalition, analysts say.

 

The eight-party coalition has failed to gather enough parliamentary votes for its prime ministerial candidate even after the election-winning Move Forward with 151 MPs stepped aside to allow runner-up Pheu Thai (141 MPs) to take the lead. Parties outside the coalition have refused to work with Move Forward due to ideological differences.

 

Pheu Thai leaders met with counterparts from five parties in the outgoing coalition government over the past weekend to “seek their advice on a way out for the country”. But leaders of Bhumjaithai (71 MPs), Palang Pracharath (40), United Thai Nation (36), and Chartthaipattana (10) stated after their separate meetings with Pheu Thai that they would not join a government coalition that included Move Forward as they opposed its policy for reform of Article 112 of the Penal Code or the lese majeste law.

 

Chart Pattana Kla (two MPs) said it would work with Move Forward on condition that Article 112 was left unchanged.

 

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai leader Cholnan Srikaew unexpectedly suggested on Monday that the election’s third-placed party Bhumjaithai should be allowed to try forming a new government. “Now that Pheu Thai has failed and run out of options, the baton should be passed to the third largest party,” he said.

Cholnan noted that Bhumjaithai’s rival 10-party alliance commands 188 MPs, more than either Move Forward or Pheu Thai alone.

 

Political stalemate

 

Observers say that while Pheu Thai seems to be hinting that Move Forward is the problem and should leave, the latter has opted to insist on its place in the eight-party coalition. This stalemate may leave Pheu Thai with no choice but to leave the alliance and form a new government with the 188 MPs from the outgoing coalition, they add.

 

The analysts reckon that in this scenario, Palang Pracharath leader General Prawit Wongsuwan or Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul has a strong chance of becoming the next prime minister.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-parliamentary-roadblock-paves-way-for-return-of-outgoing-coalition-govt/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-07-26

 

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There were rumours long before the election that negotiations had been ongoing about Thaksin letting Prawit (or Prayut)  be PM in return for letting him come home scot free when Thaksin was fantacising about a landslide PT victory. Since Prawit controls most of the senate vote, there is logic to that.  

 

Sretha is not considered reliable or likely to survive long by the old guard and Thaksin will have to pay billions to get the senate to vote for him. One look at Sretha tells that he is not cut out for the dirty world of politics and, since he lacks his own faction in PT, he is attractive to Thaksin as he cannot be his own man.  

[Dogmatix]

17 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

And that was the dinosaurs' plan all along.

They stay in power and extend the deadline to remove the senators. ????

You are right. It was planned all along with Thaksin but the unexpected MFP victory threw a spanner in the works. With a majority in the lower house and the current senate controlled by Prawit sitting till May, they will have the numbers and time to re-write the constitution and organic laws.

Edited July 26, 2023 by Dogmatix

[anchadian]

52 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

last night CNN with Amanpour had an interesting interview with Pita, he did say some interesting things worth of listening

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2023/07/25/thailand-politics-amanpour-pita-limjaroenrat.cnn

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Yes, absolutely horrific for all those Thai people that voted for MFP if this is allowed to happen.

 

What more can one say?

Agree but also for PTP voters. They too were voting to oust the military not get in the same bed as them.

[anchadian]

 

 

 

[kimamey]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

last night CNN with Amanpour had an interesting interview with Pita, he did say some interesting things worth of listening

Just watched and yes he did. 

One thing I would say is that there needs to be institutions, separate from government and impartial, to oversee the government. I've no idea how you'd do that in a country like this. 

Under the last PT government it was clear that Thaksin was acting as PM which is not allowed. There should be bodies that can stop that, otherwise the military are the only ones that can act. Had the military done just that but kept the basics of the democratically elected government in place then they could have won some praise. However power was too tempting for them 

[Jeff the Chef]

46 minutes ago, anchadian said:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2023/07/25/thailand-politics-amanpour-pita-limjaroenrat.cnn

Pita does come across as a likable politician, with some sensible views to bring Thailand into the 21st century. 

The only problem he has is, the Junta are never going to allow the changes needed without a fight/skulduggery as shown up to press. It should all be done done through the ballot box not on the streets, but are the majority of Thai's going to back that or do they need another generation to come into the political arena.

[anchadian]

 

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by anchadian

[SiSePuede419]

What a coincidence. ????

[PMinThailand]

Winning an election does not mean anything if it goes against the army! 

[MrJ2U]

Ridiculous.

 

I'm not Thai so,  whatever.

 

Same garbage. 

[frankie11]

TiT

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, PMinThailand said:

Winning an election does not mean anything if it goes against the army! 

the will of the people doesn't matter here, what matters is the will of the old crookdiles

[trevoromgh]

Starship Enterprise 

 

Dr McCoy :-    Jim the Klingons are back!

 

Capt Kirk :-     They never left Bones

[paul1804]

In view of what the Junta government did and did not do while in power nothing comes as a surprise!

 

You only have to look at the region, west, east, north and northeast and all these countries are not democratic, all have military controlled governments including Thailand. 

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The analysts reckon that in this scenario, Palang Pracharath leader General Prawit Wongsuwan or Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul has a strong chance of becoming the next prime minister.

Buddha help Thailand to keep these mongrels away from leading this country. 

[newnative]

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2023/07/25/thailand-politics-amanpour-pita-limjaroenrat.cnn

Thanks for the link; very interesting interview.  He is quite articulate and able to get his points across even when given limited time.  

[Jumbo1968]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Pita does come across as a likable politician, with some sensible views to bring Thailand into the 21st century. 

The only problem he has is, the Junta are never going to allow the changes needed without a fight/skulduggery as shown up to press. It should all be done done through the ballot box not on the streets, but are the majority of Thai's going to back that or do they need another generation to come into the political arena.

This is the first generation who voted in the last election, I think it will take the next generation to make changes, by that time all the old dinosaurs will have passed away and Pita will still be around.

[Clarkey611]

2 hours ago, kimamey said:

However power was too tempting for them 

And the dosh!

[Zack61]

And this is exactly where it was designed to end up. There was never going to be a different outcome regardless of the popular vote. What a pitiful bunch of oxygen thieves. 

[HappyExpat57]

Why even bother having a vote? Merely to give the appearance  of a democracy???