Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[Walker88]

31 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Gobachev is seen as a traitor & hated in Russia - he's a globalist puppet

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/31/mikhail-gorbachev-a-divisive-figure-loved-abroad-but-loathed-at-home

What is this "Globalist Puppet" stuff? Is that Bilderberg? Davos (the place where guys go to show off the interior of their new Gulfstream, but where nothing of consequence actually happens)? Bohemian Grove? Skull & Bones?  Maybe 10' Shape-Shifting Lizard People from the rogue planet Nibiru?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Easy enough.  Check out the GDP figures in 2020: 

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP/

 

or

 

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2021&locations=us&start=2005

Oh yeah! Now what else happened in 2020?

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, ICU Kid said:

DYOR : )

I must admit I didn't know the meaning of DYOR.

 

And it is an 'urban' acronym for 'Do Your Own Research'.

 

I actually found three definitions for 'Do Your Own Research' which may be applicable to your MO.

 

"Watch Youtube videos made by some self-appointed, conspiracy of the month guru, that align with your already fantastical world view'.

 

'A phrase meaning "Google until you find something that agrees with you". Typically used to pretend the person saying it is somehow smarter than all of the experts'.

 

'Quotidian response spouted by conspiracy theorists when they are unable to provide a reliable source to back up their delusional and uncorroborated claims'.

 

Urban Dictionary: Do your research

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by LosLobo

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

trump has yet to coin a disparaging nickname for Judge Tanya Chutkan, while he's all over 'Deranged' Jack Smith and SC Smith's wife (once suggesting---dog whistling to his base---Smith changed his family name to hide some Jewish ancestry). I doubt the twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, 6-time bankrupt trump is out of ideas; maybe he is rightfully scared that this no nonsense judge will do the needful if donny misbehaves anymore. Because she is Black, female, and an Obama appointee, he must be chomping at the bit to spit out his usual racist, misogynist drivel, driven by his own debilitating personal insecurities. He tossed "Low IQ" at Rep Maxine Waters, "Coco" at his former Cabinet member Elaine Chao, Pocahontas for Sen Elizabeth Warren, "Peekaboo" Letitia James, "Evita" Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and for nations where the predominant ethnicity is Black, he called them "s-hole countries', while he has labelled all Latin American migrants and immigrants as 'rapists and murderers' (Remember "Why can't we get more immigrants from Norway?").

Then why not wait for him to coin it before posting this boring rant?

[ICU Kid]

33 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

He is just raisin stupid points to get a rise out of people!

He is obviously baking mad IMHO!

????

Like most on here, you were sold an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the blue box which was designed for you to be living in at this moment and probably until your death.  

 

That's fine though.  

 

https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/11/study-americans-prize-party-loyalty-over-democratic-principles

Study: Americans prize party loyalty over democratic principles

True AF

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by ICU Kid

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Like most on here, you were sold an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the box which was designed for you to be living in at this moment.  

 

That's fine though.  

 

 

 

Amazing that the right think they are the ones thinking outside the box. QANON are certainly outside the box if you want to put it that way. Conservatives, especially the religious are all about conformity. Many have a military background where conformity is ingrained in their thinking, hence the term "institutionalized". Unified in their belief in the church and rejection of science.

Edited August 12, 2023 by ozimoron

[scottiejohn]

8 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Like most on here, you were sold an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the box which was designed for you to be living in at this moment.  

 

That's fine though.  

And you of course unlike most on here (as I believe), you were sold an 'off the shelf' republican worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the box which was designed for you to be living in at this moment.  

 

That's fine though.  

Edited August 12, 2023 by scottiejohn

[ICU Kid]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Amazing that the right think they are the ones thinking outside the box. QANON are certainly outside the box if you want to put it that way. Conservatives, especially the religious are all about conformity. Many have a military background where conformity is ingrained in their thinking, hence the term "institutionalized".

https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/11/study-americans-prize-party-loyalty-over-democratic-principles

Study: Americans prize party loyalty over democratic principles

 

The cultural programming in you is very strong but that's fine though : )

 

 

[ICU Kid]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Amazing that the right think they are the ones thinking outside the box. QANON are certainly outside the box if you want to put it that way. Conservatives, especially the religious are all about conformity. Many have a military background where conformity is ingrained in their thinking, hence the term "institutionalized".

dupe (pun half intended ; )

 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by ICU Kid

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/11/study-americans-prize-party-loyalty-over-democratic-principles

Study: Americans prize party loyalty over democratic principles

 

The cultural programming in you is very strong but that's fine though : )

 

 

Party loyalty is understandable. Cult like idolizing a particular politician is not.

[johnnybangkok]

9 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Like most on here, you were sold an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the blue box which was designed for you to be living in at this moment and probably until your death.  

 

That's fine though.  

 

https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/11/study-americans-prize-party-loyalty-over-democratic-principles

Study: Americans prize party loyalty over democratic principles

True AF

 

Oh god, what a surprise. 
I take it you're the only one here who really knows the truth? The only one that can 'think outside of the (insert colour) box? The one that understands the 'deep state', the illuminati or whatever nonsense noun you are using this week. 
Here's a heads-up; you aren't. 

[ICU Kid]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Party loyalty is understandable. Cult like idolizing a particular politician is not.

Agreed.  Anyone idolising Biden or Trump is beyond the pale IMO

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

No, you write daft stuff, end of.............................

"No, it is your BOT that writes the daft stuff, end of.............................

A real human could not be so stupid as to support or write the stuff (insert appropriate expletive of your choice) it/he/they/whatever is posting!

[johnnybangkok]

6 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

I never wrote that - you guys just attack anyone who's not part of the ThaiVisa   'Biden Biddys'   cult.

 

I'm not a fan of Trump either but appreciate the fact that he annoys ALL the right people

 

 

You're not being attacked; you're being debated and very effectively if I may say.

You are just full of straw-man arguments, deflections and ad homien nonsense such as this. You haven't brought up one salient point regarding the topic in hand other than you like the fact Trump pi$$es people off and for that reasona and that reason alone you feel the need to argue the point, often without a point. 

We are not 'Biden Biddy's'  but we also aren't Trump fans either. What we are is bringing up facts and figures to try and demonstrate why this man is facing the charges he currently is and how unsuccessful he was as a one-term POTUS. Try and stick to the topic. It might help your cause. 

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[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Party loyalty is understandable. Cult like idolizing a particular politician is not.

Party loyalty is understandable. Cult like idolizing a particular politician  MEGAmaniac is not!

[ozimoron]

I don't understand the right wing obsession with the delay tactics. If they were convinced their boy was innocent surely they'd want the trials over and done with before the 2024 election. There's very much a public interest in knowing the outcome of these trials before the election so people can make informed choices. Judges unduly delaying the trials are interfering in elections by not getting them done as soon as possible.

[candide]

"Rattled" Trump melts down on Truth Social over Jack Smith's proposed trial date

https://news.yahoo.com/rattled-trump-melts-down-truth-135728272.html

"Such a trial, which should never take place due to my First Amendment Rights, and massive BIDEN CORRUPTION, should only happen, if at all, AFTER THE ELECTION. The same with other Fake Biden Indictments. ELECTION INTERFERENCE!" ????

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

I don't understand the right wing obsession with the delay tactics. If they were convinced their boy was innocent surely they'd want the trials over and done with before the 2024 election. There's very much a public interest in knowing the outcome of these trials before the election so people can make informed choices. Judges unduly delaying the trials are interfering in elections by not getting them done as soon as possible.

Exactly, trial is set for 2nd Jan and Jack Smith said it should take just four to six weeks.

[Walker88]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Oh yeah! Now what else happened in 2020?

What else?

 

2020 was the year trump hashed his plan to overthrow American democracy. Remember?

 

As for growth, as has been noted ad nauseam to nauseus, trump's first three years of GDP change were in the bottom 30% of all Quarters since the end of WWII.

[Walker88]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Then why not wait for him to coin it before posting this boring rant?

trump knows he is up against it with a no nonsense judge, so his lack of given her a moniker is because he's scared. He should be. Maybe Judge Chutkan could declare a bench trial, especially if trump issues his usual dog whistle calls to his goobers, who then try to intimidate jury members.

 

It might be of no interest to you (boring rant), but it wasn't written for you.

 

I might suggest you block me, because I'd hate to bore you any more.

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, ICU Kid said:

Like most on here, you were sold an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the blue box which was designed for you to be living in at this moment and probably until your death.  

 

That's fine though.  

 

https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/11/study-americans-prize-party-loyalty-over-democratic-principles

Study: Americans prize party loyalty over democratic principles

True AF

 

Hello.

 

I prize reality over party talking points.

 

I am still waiting for you to stop with the talking points and post some actual thoughts.

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, ICU Kid said:

Agreed.  Anyone idolising Biden or Trump is beyond the pale IMO

You are correct.

 

If there were a topic about Biden's flaws, I would have plenty to post.

 

But this topic is about Trump going to the monkey house, so let's stay on topic.

[Danderman123]

47 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

 

If the Biden Biddies can  *stop* just looking at things in terms of red and blue — and look at democrapt governments -  look at their actions: Whether it's wars, suppression of free speech, or mandatory pharmacological interventions:

 

All of that used to all be associated with the authoritarian right & Nazis, but NOW those things are owned by the so-called left.

 

I'm not sure what is 'democratic' about the democrats - I mean:

Foreign wars, suppression of free speech, mandatory pharmacological interventions

 

Have the Biddys considered what they're supporting?????

 

 

Nice deflection from this topic.

 

I would be happy to talk about Republican wars, but that would be off topic.

 

So, which of Trump's mooks will be indicted next?

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, ICU Kid said:

 

If the Biden Biddies can  *stop* just looking at things in terms of red and blue — and look at democrapt governments -  look at their actions: Whether it's wars, suppression of free speech, or mandatory pharmacological interventions:

 

All of that used to all be associated with the authoritarian right & Nazis, but NOW those things are owned by the so-called left.

 

I'm not sure what is 'democratic' about the democrats - I mean:

Foreign wars, suppression of free speech, mandatory pharmacological interventions

 

Have the Biddys considered what they're supporting?????

 

 

"mandatory pharmacological interventions"

 

Is that QANON speak for vaccinations?

[heybruce]

13 hours ago, ICU Kid said:

Like most on here, you were sold an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the blue box which was designed for you to be living in at this moment and probably until your death.  

 

That's fine though.  

 

https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/11/study-americans-prize-party-loyalty-over-democratic-principles

Study: Americans prize party loyalty over democratic principles

True AF

 

Why not post a link to the actual study, with an appropriate quote from the introduction:

 

"Our research design allows us to infer Americans’ willingness to trade-off democratic principles for other valid but potentially conflicting considerations such as political ideology, partisan loyalty, and policy preferences. We find the U.S. public’s viability as a democratic check to be strikingly limited: only a small fraction of Americans prioritize democratic principles in their electoral choices, and their tendency to do so is decreasing in several measures of polarization, including the strength of partisanship, policy extremism, and candidate platform divergence. Our findings echo classic arguments about the importance of political moderation and cross-cutting cleavages for democratic stability and highlight the dangers that polarization represents for democracy."  https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/abs/democracy-in-america-partisanship-polarization-and-the-robustness-of-support-for-democracy-in-the-united-states/C7C72745B1AD1FF9E363BBFBA9E18867

 

Americans, and people everywhere, look at the big picture and choose the lesser of two evils.  This problem becomes more acute in hyper-partisan politics.  Hyper-partisan politics were initiated in its current form in the US by the Republicans, Newt Gingrich specifically, in the 1990's, and force voters to choose between extremes.  It's the reason why I'd like to see rank choice voting in America.

 

 

[pomchop]

here is an interesting tid bit i saw recently re Georgia law as relates to criminal pardons....assuming trump were to be convicted of a felony in GA neither him nor any president can pardon him of a Georgia crime....not even the GA governor can do that as it is done by a pardon board....BUT most important is that under GA law nobody can get a pardon until 5 years AFTER they have served the imposed sentence...not even a friendly GA repub gov or pardon board could legally pardon him if he is convicted of crimes there....i bet those GA prison cells are not what donnie boy has in mind...

 

no wonder donnie boy is scared to death of GA Willis..........and to top it off they have donnie on tape in his own words pressuring GA officials to find him votes and also his pal Rudy is on tape lying over and over to GA officials re fraud that did not exist and they knew it was BS...in fact Rudy admitted it was all BS under oath in one of his other trials where he is being sued by the two black election workers that he falsely accused of all kinds of voting crimes ALL of which investigation after investigation proved totally BOGUS...

 

How hard is it to get a pardon in Georgia?

 

 

To qualify for a Pardon for offenses other than sex offenses which require you to be listed on Georgia's Sex Offender Registry: You must have completed all sentence(s) at least five (5) years prior to applying. You must have lived a law-abiding life during the five (5) years prior to applying.

 

[newnative]

18 minutes ago, pomchop said:

here is an interesting tid bit i saw recently re Georgia law as relates to criminal pardons....assuming trump were to be convicted of a felony in GA neither him nor any president can pardon him of a Georgia crime....not even the GA governor can do that as it is done by a pardon board....BUT most important is that under GA law nobody can get a pardon until 5 years AFTER they have served the imposed sentence...not even a friendly GA repub gov or pardon board could legally pardon him if he is convicted of crimes there....i bet those GA prison cells are not what donnie boy has in mind...

 

no wonder donnie boy is scared to death of GA Willis..........and to top it off they have donnie on tape in his own words pressuring GA officials to find him votes and also his pal Rudy is on tape lying over and over to GA officials re fraud that did not exist and they knew it was BS...in fact Rudy admitted it was all BS under oath in one of his other trials where he is being sued by the two black election workers that he falsely accused of all kinds of voting crimes ALL of which investigation after investigation proved totally BOGUS...

 

How hard is it to get a pardon in Georgia?

 

 

To qualify for a Pardon for offenses other than sex offenses which require you to be listed on Georgia's Sex Offender Registry: You must have completed all sentence(s) at least five (5) years prior to applying. You must have lived a law-abiding life during the five (5) years prior to applying.

 

Sweet.  And, now on to Georgia and let's win there.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, ICU Kid said:

Wanna share a lift to the vaccine centre next week?

I'm gonna take a cab and have 3 spare seats

 

Next week, Trump will probably be indicted in Fulton County, Georgia.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Why not post a link to the actual study, with an appropriate quote from the introduction:

 

"Our research design allows us to infer Americans’ willingness to trade-off democratic principles for other valid but potentially conflicting considerations such as political ideology, partisan loyalty, and policy preferences. We find the U.S. public’s viability as a democratic check to be strikingly limited: only a small fraction of Americans prioritize democratic principles in their electoral choices, and their tendency to do so is decreasing in several measures of polarization, including the strength of partisanship, policy extremism, and candidate platform divergence. Our findings echo classic arguments about the importance of political moderation and cross-cutting cleavages for democratic stability and highlight the dangers that polarization represents for democracy."  https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/abs/democracy-in-america-partisanship-polarization-and-the-robustness-of-support-for-democracy-in-the-united-states/C7C72745B1AD1FF9E363BBFBA9E18867

 

Americans, and people everywhere, look at the big picture and choose the lesser of two evils.  This problem becomes more acute in hyper-partisan politics.  Hyper-partisan politics were initiated in its current form in the US by the Republicans, Newt Gingrich specifically, in the 1990's, and force voters to choose between extremes.  It's the reason why I'd like to see rank choice voting in America.

 

 

Newt (The Grinch) Gingrich was the lawless Murdoch-sponsored poster boy for Trump and 'hate politics'.

 

I suggest his name is amazingly appropriate for the despicable human being that did more to divide America that anyone else besides Trump.

 

A newt is a swamp inhabitant that dragged itself from the prime-evil ooze and never fully developed to live on land.

 

The Grinch is as a bitter and ill-tempered character disliked by all known for stealing Xmas.

 

A Newt Chronology | The Long March Of Newt Gingrich | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

Burning Down the House: Newt Gingrich, the Fall of a Speaker, and the Rise of the New Republican Party | Department of History (princeton.edu)

Edited August 13, 2023 by LosLobo