NEW ZEALAND - Some worrying stats...

[Red Phoenix]

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/births-and-deaths-year-ended-june-2023/

Stats NZ released the official figures for births and deaths for the period 1st July 2022 to 30th June 2023 today (see link above), and it would be the understatement of the century to say that these figures don't like good.

The website compares these horrifying figures with last year's period, which is somewhat disingenuous as that hides the longer-term negative trend.

When comparing the figures with the July 2018 to June 2019 totals, the first available pre-pandemic period, the stats are very worrying as they show that

- Deaths are up 14%,

- Live Births are Down 28%, and

- Disability is up 37.5%.

Investigating the causes behind these disastrous figures and discussing the findings in the NZ parliament would be the least to expect. 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I'm guessing what you're insinuating here, since you posted this in the COVID subforum... But the topic has already been previously addressed in the news, per the following fact check report from the AP:

 

Deaths rise in New Zealand due to COVID, demographic shifts

 

"CLAIM: New Zealand is seeing its biggest increase in deaths in a century because of the coronavirus vaccine.

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Government officials and experts in New Zealand say the rise in deaths last year is the result of the country’s first true wave of COVID-19 infections, which follow the lifting of the strict lockdown policy maintained during the first two years of the pandemic. They also say the country’s aging population is playing a role."

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-new-zealand-949096630073

 

[Red Phoenix]

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm guessing what you're insinuating here, since you posted this in the COVID subforum... But the topic has already been previously addressed in the news, per the following fact check report from the AP:

 

Deaths rise in New Zealand due to COVID, demographic shifts

 

"CLAIM: New Zealand is seeing its biggest increase in deaths in a century because of the coronavirus vaccine.

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Government officials and experts in New Zealand say the rise in deaths last year is the result of the country’s first true wave of COVID-19 infections, which follow the lifting of the strict lockdown policy maintained during the first two years of the pandemic. They also say the country’s aging population is playing a role."

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-new-zealand-949096630073

 

That AP Factcheck addresses the 2022 New Zealand figures.

But the official stats show that all indicators have further detoriorated during the  2023 period.

The year ended June 2023 compared with the year ended June 2022 showed:

• 57,534 live births were registered, down from 60,009
• 38,346 deaths were registered, up from 36,723
• natural increase (births minus deaths) was 19,185, down from 23,280
• the total fertility rate was 1.61 births per woman, down from 1.69
• the infant mortality rate was 3.49 deaths per 1,000 live births, down from 3.85.

A honest discussion on the causes of that horrendous trend is much needed.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

"officials and experts say the culprit isn’t COVID-19 vaccines.

Rebekah Hennessey, an analyst with Stats NZ, said a significant factor is the nation’s growing but aging population.

...

The pandemic itself was the other key driver. Around 2,400 of all deaths last year were attributable to COVID-19, Stats NZ said in its Feb. 20 release, citing national health data."

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-new-zealand-949096630073

 

The AP report appears to be using calendar year data for New Zealand deaths comparing calendar 2022 with various prior years.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

OK, so nothing to see here while all the indicators are going red...

Not buying that cheap explanation.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

"Roughly 180 potentially vaccine-related deaths have been reported to federal authorities since the COVID inoculation was first rolled out, but only four have so far been found to be likely linked to the shot, according to a December report from the country’s Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring, which collects and evaluates reports of adverse drug reactions."

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-new-zealand-949096630073

 

There's your "horrendous trend" -- FOUR.

 

 

[zorkegerda]

Could be feminism? Scooby Dooby Doo

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

No Evidence Excess Deaths Linked to Vaccines, Contrary to Claims Online

Posted on April 17, 2023

 

SciCheck Digest

"Excess deaths among working-age adults in 2021 and 2022 were driven by COVID-19 and other factors, not vaccination. Faulty logic underlies claims that vaccines caused mass disability and economic harm."

...

"Dowd has repeatedly said that COVID-19 vaccines are causing large numbers of deaths, claims that have been debunked by other fact-checkers."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/scicheck-no-evidence-excess-deaths-linked-to-vaccines-contrary-to-claims-online/

 

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

24 minutes ago, zorkegerda said:

Could be feminism? Scooby Dooby Doo

Yes a main factor, and let's not forge Klimate change!

[Red Phoenix]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No Evidence Excess Deaths Linked to Vaccines, Contrary to Claims Online

Posted on April 17, 2023

 

SciCheck Digest

"Excess deaths among working-age adults in 2021 and 2022 were driven by COVID-19 and other factors, not vaccination. Faulty logic underlies claims that vaccines caused mass disability and economic harm."

...

"Dowd has repeatedly said that COVID-19 vaccines are causing large numbers of deaths, claims that have been debunked by other fact-checkers."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/scicheck-no-evidence-excess-deaths-linked-to-vaccines-contrary-to-claims-online/

An excerpt from that FactCheck:

“COVID-19 vaccines are the best tool to prevent and reduce complications due to COVID-19,” Lisa George, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention public affairs specialist, told us in an email. “These vaccines are safe and effective and have undergone the most extensive safety monitoring in U.S. history.”

A CDC Public Affairs specialist dug up as credible source? This is getting ridiculous...

[metisdead]

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[Adumbration]

It ok. The New Zealand property bubble is safe.  Parliment has just enacted new legislation enabling sheep to apply for a residential mortgage.

[owl sees all]

Doctor couple - Mark and Samantha Bailey - have an ever-increacing following in New Zealand.

 

Giving others encouragement to look at, and question, stats, and to examine protocols.

[AmySukwan]

22 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No Evidence Excess Deaths Linked to Vaccines, Contrary to Claims Online

Posted on April 17, 2023

 

SciCheck Digest

"Excess deaths among working-age adults in 2021 and 2022 were driven by COVID-19 and other factors, not vaccination. Faulty logic underlies claims that vaccines caused mass disability and economic harm."

...

"Dowd has repeatedly said that COVID-19 vaccines are causing large numbers of deaths, claims that have been debunked by other fact-checkers."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/scicheck-no-evidence-excess-deaths-linked-to-vaccines-contrary-to-claims-online/

 

 

 

You guys still believe factcheckers? That's the surest sign it's the opposite!

 

[owl sees all]

26 minutes ago, AmySukwan said:

 

You guys still believe factcheckers? That's the surest sign it's the opposite!

 

Not me!

 

As Matt LeTissier says.

 

Who fact-checks the fact-checkers?

[Eleftheros]

On 8/17/2023 at 4:38 PM, owl sees all said:

Doctor couple - Mark and Samantha Bailey - have an ever-increacing following in New Zealand.

 

Giving others encouragement to look at, and question, stats, and to examine protocols.

They will most likely have a long and fruitful career. This 'pandemic' is not going to end until the vaccine hustlers give up and go away, which won't be any time soon.

 

The German authorities are now officially fretting about a new variant dubbed 'Eris', and the country's Standing Committee on Vaccination, better known by its acronym, STIKO (yes, really) is recommending more and more shots to maybe combat this maybe not-so-major threat.

 

We will not be free of the virus until we are free of the vaccinators.