Trump surrenders for historic fourth arrest

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Would be terrible for the USA if Trump did that , used the laws to quell any opposition 

You mean, like considering with his advisors as president to declare martial law in the U.S. as a means of preventing opposition to his attempted insurrection against his own/our own country and its lawful process for electing a new president?

 

"a heated Oval Office meeting Friday in which Trump heard arguments about invoking martial law to stay in office had some Trump officials sounding the alarm to the press.

 

Michael Flynn, Trump’s pardoned former national security adviser, discussed the martial law plan on right-wing television network Newsmax last week and was invited to the White House Friday.

 

Trump dismissed reports of the martial law discussion as ‘fake news’ in a tweet Sunday, but two people familiar with the matter told CNN that the the plan was argued in the Oval Office Friday – although it remains unclear if Trump endorsed the idea."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/media/stelter-trump-martial-law/index.html

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You mean, like considering with his advisors as president to declare martial law in the U.S. as a means of preventing opposition to his attempted insurrection against his own/our own country and its lawful process for electing a new president?

 

Well, there was no martial law , there was no insurrection and Biden did become President .

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Well, there was no martial law , there was no insurrection and Biden did become President .

Because Trump failed as he's done with most other things in his life with his attempted insurrection.

 

And because some brave Americans around him, who actually believed in the principles of the U.S. government and Constitution unlike Trump, refused to go along with his machinations.

 

Among those:

 

"Former senior Justice Department officials testified Thursday that they told former President Trump he'd have mass resignations on hand if he installed former assistant attorney general Jeffrey Clark to run the DOJ.

 

Why it matters: Trump had considered naming Clark to replace then-Acting Attorney General Jeff Rosen after Rosen refused to investigate baseless election fraud claims.

 

Clark, an environmental attorney, pushed a plan to overturn the election which former DOJ leaders called "nuts" and a "murder-suicide pact" at the Jan. 6 select committee's fifth hearing."

 

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/23/jeffrey-clark-jan6-hearing-trump

 

In the end, Trump backed down from his plan to hijack the Justice Department in the face of those threats / warnings from its leadership.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Because Trump failed as he's done with most other things in his life, and because brave Americans around him, who actually believed in the principles of the U.S. government and Constitution unlike Trump, refused to go along with his machinations.

 

Well, apart from Trump didn't even consider imposing martial law and he didn't even  attempt to impose it , but yeah, its was the brave Americans who stopped it ????

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It would indeed be appalling for the USA if the USA began to act like Russia/Putin and stopped any opposition to their leadership by using the law to stop opposition from contending the leadership and also shooting down airplanes.

   Would be terrible for the USA if Trump did that , used the laws to quell any opposition 

Like this you mean?

 

All the ways Trump, not his foes, sought to ‘weaponize’ the government

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/10/all-ways-trump-not-his-foes-sought-weaponize-government/

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Well, there was no martial law , there was no insurrection and Biden did become President .

An unsuccessful insurrection is not no insurrection.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And Republicans like Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger:

 

How Brad Raffensperger stood up to Trump

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) will testify before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riots on Tuesday afternoon in what could be another revelatory hearing on the events leading up to the attack on the U.S. Capitol.

 

Raffensperger, 67, will likely offer insights into how he defied former President Trump’s efforts to pressure him into overturning the 2020 election results in his state.

 

Fulton County in Georgia convened a special grand jury to investigate the pressure campaign, which centers on a January 2021 phone call in which Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” enough votes to reverse President Biden’s victory in the key swing state."

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3530732-how-brad-raffensperger-stood-up-to-trump/

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

An unsuccessful insurrection is not no insurrection.

What are the Court charges for the Capitol hill protest ?

Trump wasn't personally at the protest, but has he been charged with anything connected to the protest ?

   What are the charges, if any ?

[Jingthing]

35 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Let's compare two booking photos here each with maniacal stares, and let folks decide on their own which of the two shown looks crazier....

 

Option No. 1:

 

Option No. 2:

https://pixels.com/featured/charles-manson-mug-shot-1969-vertical-tony-rubino.html

 

 

Prison game faces.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Well, apart from Trump didn't even consider imposing martial law

Oh yes he did "consider"....  Act on that plan, no.

 

"a heated Oval Office meeting Friday in which Trump heard arguments about invoking martial law to stay in office had some Trump officials sounding the alarm to the press.

...

Trump dismissed reports of the martial law discussion as ‘fake news’ in a tweet Sunday, but two people familiar with the matter told CNN that the the plan was argued in the Oval Office Friday – although it remains unclear if Trump endorsed the idea."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/media/stelter-trump-martial-law/index.html

[ozimoron]

Maybe the arrests aren't done yet?

 

 

[TimeMachine]

Sometimes its hard to distinguish the criminals from the non criminals.  Sometimes its an arbitrary matter of which way the wind blows. 

 

Free Julian Assange and Peng Shuai. 

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39 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Maybe the arrests aren't done yet?

 

 

It could as reported below that he transferred ownership to one of his children. This is a tactic often pulled by people who fear that they might be legally on the hook for damages  in court cases. 

Donald Trump seemingly transferred Mar A Lago estate to his son before his arrest

https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1806124/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-ownership

 

[GammaGlobulin]

After turning himself in, and getting himself fingerprinted and photographed... 

 

Why was it that Trump was not given the FULL.. 

 

Bonfire Of The Vanities treatment? 

 

 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It could as reported below that he transferred ownership to one of his children. This is a tactic often pulled by people who fear that they might be legally on the hook for damages  in court cases. 

Donald Trump seemingly transferred Mar A Lago estate to his son before his arrest

https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1806124/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-ownership

 

My spidey senses tell me that a bankruptcy is looming.

[kwonitoy]

10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Does anyone here actually believe that Trump gave the orders for the Capitol incident?

 

 

 

I'll take this guys word for it,

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Put Trump to one side for the moment .

Accusations and indictments are the allegation that a person has committed a crime , that person then goes to a Court and a Judge/Jury whether finds that person to be guilty or not .

   If that person is found to be guilty, then he receives a punishment , if he's found to be not guilty, then he's free to leave Court and all charges are dropped .

   So you have to wait for the Judges verdict , although I suppose you are free to say a person is guilty if you want , even though they haven't been convicted, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously  

So let’s talk about what he has been found guilty of. 
He defrauded his own charity and the past and possible future POTUS (who might be allowed to run the country), is not allowed to even run a charity. 
He was convicted of sexual abuse. 
The Trump Organization was found guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes. 
A federal court fined him $25 million as a settlement with students who said they were duped by Donald Trump and his now-defunct Trump University.

I could go on but this is the man you are defending here with the “but, but he’s innocent until proven guilty”. The man has form and if you don’t think he did it even half the things he is accused of then you really need to stop drinking the koolaid. 

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18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

My spidey senses tell me that a bankruptcy is looming.

I don't see why. It's not like Trump is paying for his legal defense.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I don't see why. It's not like Trump is paying for his legal defense.

Donald Trump forced to recall $60m from Super Pac as legal fees grow

Ex-president’s political action committee says it had less than $4m cash at end of June, having paid tens of millions in legal fees

 

Burning through campaign funds thanks to mounting legal fees, Donald Trump has been forced to recall $60m from a Super Pac, money originally intended for TV advertising in the Republican presidential primary.

 

In filings with the Federal Election Commission FEC) on Monday, Trump’s political action committee, Save America, said that at the end of June it had less than $4m cash on hand, having paid tens of millions of dollars in legal fees for the former president and associates.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/01/donald-trump-super-pac-legal-fees

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Donald Trump forced to recall $60m from Super Pac as legal fees grow

Ex-president’s political action committee says it had less than $4m cash at end of June, having paid tens of millions in legal fees

 

Burning through campaign funds thanks to mounting legal fees, Donald Trump has been forced to recall $60m from a Super Pac, money originally intended for TV advertising in the Republican presidential primary.

 

In filings with the Federal Election Commission FEC) on Monday, Trump’s political action committee, Save America, said that at the end of June it had less than $4m cash on hand, having paid tens of millions of dollars in legal fees for the former president and associates.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/01/donald-trump-super-pac-legal-fees

I'm guessing some of Clarence Thomas' billionaire Republican businessman friends and associates will end up helping bail out Trump's finances at some points in the process. There's no shortage of Trump political suckers out there.

 

[ozimoron]

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm guessing some of Clarence Thomas' billionaire Republican businessman friends and associates will end up helping bail out Trump's finances at some points in the process. There's no shortage of Trump political suckers out there.

 

Funny you should mention Thomas. His mates are a bit busy to pick up the phone right now.

 

D.C. Attorney General is probing Leonard Leo’s network

The Federalist Society co-chair and ex-Trump judicial adviser has utilized nonprofit groups to collect more than $1 billion for conservative causes.

 

Leonard Leo played a behind-the-scenes role in the nominations of all three of former President Donald Trump's Supreme Court justices and promoted them through his multi-billion-dollar network of nonprofits.

 

Washington D.C. Attorney General Brian Schwalb is investigating judicial activist Leonard Leo and his network of nonprofit groups, according to a person with direct knowledge of the probe.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/22/d-c-attorney-general-is-probing-leonard-leos-network-00112331

[CartagenaWarlock]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I am merely pointing out that the USA doesn't have the ability to disband NATO , not sure how that equates to being "caught up in the Trump cult"

All NATO countries are vassal states of the US. Without the US, nobody would be afraid of for NATO.

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

All NATO countries are vassal states of the US. Without the US, nobody would be afraid of for NATO.

That isn't correct , NATO Countries are not vassal states of the USA

[bendejo]

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Is Trump the first President to be President , leave office and then run again four years later ?

See Teddy Roosevelt.

 

[pomchop]

17 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Pure tyranny. I wonder whether anyone cheering the weaponization of the justice sytem is basing their sheer loathing of the man - and justification for this unprecedented coordinated attack on an ex Pres - on facts, rather than a well crafted narrative that paints him as an immoral and corrupt psychopath? Somehow I doubt it. 

Here we go again...the justice system presented facts to a grand jury and they indicted trump over an over...different grand jurys in different states all conclude that crimes were committed by trump and his gang......and please explain how it is that almost every single witness that has testified under oath saying what they saw and heard were trump appointed or hired life long republicans who voted for trump...

And of course the republicans who have come forth are testifying under oath and under almost sure.death threats from trumpers against them and their families....so i guess all of these republican trumpers are some how part of the weaponized justice system or witch hunt....That republican talking point of somehow the dems are picking on poor little donnie is total BS as proved by the FACT that the people providing all kinds of evidence of probable crimes are republicans..what part of that do trumpers not understand?

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, BusyB said:

The problem is that these people are simply not up to admitting they've been gamed and taken on a very toxic and destructive ride aimed at turning the US into something of a Putinesque mafia state. Facts are irrelevant.

Absolutely.  No end of stories about divided families, grandparents who are not seeing their grandchildren grow up because of political disputes with their children, sending $$$ to the charlatan, etc.  Ask them why they support the guy and they get aggressive.  Weirdest thing I hear from trying to talk to his fans is they think they are at an advantage because they voted for him, like the us in the next sentence.  When the Covid thing hit the MAGA fans were saying "this isn't supposed to happen to us."

 

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm guessing some of Clarence Thomas' billionaire Republican businessman friends and associates will end up helping bail out Trump's finances at some points in the process. There's no shortage of Trump political suckers out there.

 

The billionaires are the only ones that DT came through for.  The paleo-conservative ones got the double scoop in that he'd sign their oppressive legislation.

 

[Paradise Pete]

17 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Trump's weight is 215 pounds and 6 feet 3 inches tall.

 

I suggest that those figures have a confidence level of zero percent as it was self-reported.

 

 

Exactly. The only thing we learned from that is what weight and height he isn't.

 

[Paradise Pete]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

An unsuccessful insurrection is not no insurrection.

Yes. It doesn't have to be well planned or well executed to qualify.

[Paradise Pete]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

 

 

This is the official mugshot of Donald Trump released by the Fulton County Sheriff's Office

 

Source: BBC

 

If he eventually reached a plea deal I hope they get a photo of him pointing at something.