Popular Post webfact Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin is moving forward with plans to overhaul Thailand’s armed forces, beginning with a significant shift in weapons procurement procedures, a military source has confirmed. The new leader had a meeting with the heads of the armed forces last week, where they discussed the new government’s intended course of action concerning military and security matters. During this meeting, the defence minister’s role was assumed by Sutin Klungsang, a civilian and deputy leader of the Pheu Thai party. Sutin has sought guidance from Gen Thammarak Isarangkura na Ayudhaya, the former defence minister, regarding his new role and plans to consult with other previous defence ministers as well. Srettha reassured military leaders that the Pheu Thai-led government harbours no intentions to undermine them, acknowledging their crucial role in national defence. by Mitch Connor Picture courtesy of Prachachat Full story: https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/politics/thai-pms-new-weapons-procurement-plan-to-boost-national-economy -- The Thaiger 2023-09-04 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smedly Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 maybe you should address the increasing cost of living - electricity bills etc before buying weapons - but hey I guess that was part of the sellout deal 3 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post retarius Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 There is a disconnect here. How is buying weapons from abroad going to help GDP growth. I'm not aware of any major weapons manufacturers here in Thailand (please correct me if I'm wrong on this). GET rid of conscription first. Ruining young men's lives and using them as slaves for generals is bad news. 2 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, retarius said: There is a disconnect here. How is buying weapons from abroad going to help GDP growth. I'm not aware of any major weapons manufacturers here in Thailand (please correct me if I'm wrong on this). GET rid of conscription first. Ruining young men's lives and using them as slaves for generals is bad news. And if that upsets the generals so be it / bad luck. Show them who the boss is - the elected government. And get on with downsizing the army and cancelling say 200 more 'sleeping' generals and colonels. Start a new model, no conscription, a small intelligent well trained well paid Army with modern equipment. Again if that upsets the generals so be it / bad luck. Show them who the boss is - the elected government. 2 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ikke1959 Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 fire 75% of the generals is a good start.. close several military bases, as in many only a few few soldiers are in the camp.. It could save a lot of money too.. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 50 minutes ago, smedly said: maybe you should address the increasing cost of living - electricity bills etc before buying weapons - but hey I guess that was part of the sellout deal There is no external threats so I guess the only threats are within! Protect the rich! ???? 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotchilli Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 hours ago, webfact said: Sutin has sought guidance from Gen Thammarak Isarangkura na Ayudhaya, the former defence minister, regarding his new role and plans to consult with other previous defence ministers as well. So he has no idea of how to perform the job himself? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, hotchilli said: So he has no idea of how to perform the job himself? I think they know exactly what their role is, what is expected of them! 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Suggest buying back all of the weapons held by the Buddhist public for starters ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 3 hours ago, webfact said: Pheu Thai-led government harbours no intentions to undermine them, acknowledging their crucial role in national defence. The RTM is not a sovereign entity. It is supposedly ("on paper") a branch of Thai government to serve the Thai People. Should not then a priority of National Defence be to PROTECT the sovereignty of the Thai People and not the repeated illegal extra-constitutionality that since 1932 has been exercised by the RTM? It seems for the sake of saving its deteriorating power, the PTP now as a minority party has UNDERMINED the public majority's best interests that had been reflected in part by the MFP. And in effect the PTP has committed a political coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 "Chickens for fighter jets' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, retarius said: There is a disconnect here. How is buying weapons from abroad going to help GDP growth. I'm not aware of any major weapons manufacturers here in Thailand (please correct me if I'm wrong on this). GET rid of conscription first. Ruining young men's lives and using them as slaves for generals is bad news. These will give you an idea of what is made in Thailand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Royal_Thai_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Royal_Thai_Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Royal_Thai_Air_Force 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mfd101 Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just calming the boys as PM & new Minister ease themselves in to their new chairs. Perfectly sensible. It's what they will do that counts, not what soothing words they offer in the meantime. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 5 hours ago, webfact said: Srettha reassured military leaders that the Pheu Thai-led government harbours no intentions to undermine them, acknowledging their crucial role in fixing the election results. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 There is little doubt the "do nothing generals" will get exactly what they want. Alot of costly new toys, that have very little usefulness in the real world. The population of Thailand is their largest threat. The army has become increasingly toxic, greedy and useless. Their power needs to be curtailed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: The army has become increasingly toxic, greedy and useless. They are the tool of the rich! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mfd101 Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: There is little doubt the "do nothing generals" will get exactly what they want. We shall see. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrMojoRisin Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 This, Pheu Thai and the military, is a marriage of convenience that simply cannot last. The upside though, is that every minute this nonsense continues it only increases the vote for Move Forward. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Enoon said: These will give you an idea of what is made in Thailand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Royal_Thai_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Royal_Thai_Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Royal_Thai_Air_Force An astonishing variety! They have 6 completely different models of 155mm howitzer, 4 different models of 105mm howitzer, it must be a logistical nightmare! 7 different types of pistol in 3 different calibres, 13 different types of infantry rifle. Their "metal Mickeys" ( small arms instructors) must be permanently confused! 5 different types of Main Battle Tanks... And now we hear of a major new weapons procurement programme, lots more new ( no doubt different) kit - remarkable! Edited September 4, 2023 by herfiehandbag 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said: An astonishing variety! They have 6 completely different models of 155mm howitzer, 4 different models of 105mm howitzer, it must be a logistical nightmare! 7 different types of pistol in 3 different calibres, 13 different types of infantry rifle. Their "metal Mickeys" ( small arms instructors) must be permanently confused! 5 different types of Main Battle Tanks... And now we hear of a major new weapons procurement programme, lots more new ( no doubt different) kit - remarkable! It's called: Spreading the risk. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post statman78 Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 4 hours ago, retarius said: There is a disconnect here. How is buying weapons from abroad going to help GDP growth. I'm not aware of any major weapons manufacturers here in Thailand (please correct me if I'm wrong on this). GET rid of conscription first. Ruining young men's lives and using them as slaves for generals is bad news. The full article has more details. If Thailand buys weapons from another country then that country will be required to import Thai goods. The example given shows that the other country must commit to import goods in excess of the value of the arms purchase. That is how it can help the thai economy. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BenStark Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 6 hours ago, webfact said: Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin is moving forward This play of words should be avoided whenever mentioning this traitor 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottfrid Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 That will make him popular! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Quote “Any weapons procurement plan will have to be accompanied by a deal to import products from Thailand.” For instance, a plan to acquire new weapons worth 80 billion baht would need to be partnered with a contract to import agricultural and other products from Thailand, totalling a value of 100 to 200 billion baht. Thus, the armed forces would need to liaise with the Ministry of Commerce regarding such trade agreements, to ensure the country benefits broadly from any new weapons procurement plans This policy should fly like a lead balloon. Hey country XYZ I want to buy 100 billion baht worth of planes, ships, and tanks from you but before that can occur you must agree to buy 200 billion baht of stuff from me like durians, rice, etc. Sound like a fair deal (Thai style)? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 6 hours ago, 2baht said: There is no external threats so I guess the only threats are within! Protect the rich! ???? But sleeping generals cost money, big money over a year. And a smaller smarter army would reduce costs. More money to support welfare ativities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just now, scorecard said: But sleeping generals cost money, big money over a year. And a smaller smarter army would reduce costs. More money to support welfare ativities. You mean like act humanely??? I dont think they will, they are too greedy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 now I start to understand why Xi wants to meet with him.... submarines, fighter jets......555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Taylor Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 So this is the cost of getting the military senators on board to form a government. Now they want their toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KanchanaburiGuy Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) Well now...... All in all, it seems like a sensible approach. After all Trade is always supposed to be Value for Value. In this case, it's being suggested that it work on two levels, not just one: • We give you money for goods, and you give us money for goods. • We promise to give you a certain level of purchases, and you promise give us a certain level of purchases, in exchange. And it may seem the suggested numbers are unbalanced, but we have to remember......... We'd be buying things from them that have a very narrow focus, while they'd be buying things from us that have a broad, more universal, population-wide focus and appeal. Our acquisitions from them go into only a few hands. Their acquisitions from us can go into many, many hands! And the idea of additional procurement doesn't upset me too much, if the procurement is done for the right reasons. For example, it was noted upthread that there many different types, styles, and brands of weapons currently being used. If the proposed "procurement" was intended to phase out the confusion and disparity and supply the military with a narrower range of more universally adaptable weaponry........ that would be a good thing! (Imagine: A continuing soldier needs to re-arm himself from a fallen soldier, but finds, "Damn, he got entirely different weaponry!" NOT GOOD! That would be something worth fixing!) So, new procurement isn't NECESSARILY a bad thing! (Then, all that phased-out, unnecessarily confusing weaponry could be sold on the second-hand marketplace, recouping some of the new-procurement investment, making the exchange not just a win-win, but a win-win-win!) * * * * * Yes, I understand both the opportunity for..... and history of..... corruption. (WHO gets to sell the phased-out weapons, for example? Who get the money and/or the "commission?") But those are reason to try to force them to do things "correctly," above-board, and transparently........ NOT reasons to not do them! Sorry, for all the snide comments made upthread, the fact is, if this is done in the right way for the right reasons......... it's actually a very good idea! Sorry, but with tensions increasing between the United States and China, and China pushing out tentacles into both shipping lanes and land routes.......... (and eyeing Taiwan with renewed glee!)........ Thailand improving it's readiness, preparedness, and capabilities....... is a sound and sensible measure! Remember: It takes two to make peace, but only one to make war! So even if Thailand wants to try to stay neutral......... she still must be able to ENFORCE her neutrality! Any less? Well..... you're just asking her to become the new France and Poland from WW2! (Which is to say: Easily overrun!) • New procurement? Yes. If it's done the right way and for the right reasons. • Using New Procurement as a win-win (win-win-win?) way to boost exports and increase economic activity? Sorry, but for all the cynicism being expressed....... (some, of course, justified!)......it really IS a good idea! Cheers! Edited September 4, 2023 by KanchanaburiGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Pib said: This policy should fly like a lead balloon. Hey country XYZ I want to buy 100 billion baht worth of planes, ships, and tanks from you but before that can occur you must agree to buy 200 billion baht of stuff from me like durians, rice, etc. Sound like a fair deal (Thai style)? Mentioning lead balloons, how is the repair of military aerostat for surveillance use in the south coming on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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