Sweden gangs: PM summons army chief after surge in killings

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Given your obvious sentiments, perhaps it would be relevant to ask how many immigrants are living in your house, or is it just other people that have to accommodate them?

I support the charity ‘Soldiers off the Streets’.

 

Do you think I should stop making my monthly donation because I’m not  actually housing a homeless soldier myself?

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Social Media said:

Armed forces chief Micael Byden told Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter he was prepared to assist police efforts.

Time for the El Salvador solution perhaps?

[impulse]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Time for the El Salvador solution perhaps?

I don't know if that'll be necessary.  El Salvador's gang problem was home grown.  Sweden's seems to be imported, and deportation may be the most expeditious solution.

 

Here's a good righty wingnut conspiracy article to start down the rabbit hole if anyone's interested.  Sadly, most of the links are substacks and blocked here where I'm staying.   I am curious what else PeterSweden has to say, but that'll have to wait.

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/massive-news-sweden-deport-foreigners-involved-gangs/

Edited September 30, 2023 by impulse

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, impulse said:

I don't know if that'll be necessary.  El Salvador's gang problem was home grown.  Sweden's seems to be imported, and deportation may be the most expeditious solution.

 

That is the obvious solution and one that will never happen IMO. IMO the time to prevent gang warfare was stopping immigration of people with zero cultural affinity to ethnic Swedes, but that was long ago.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That is the obvious solution and one that will never happen IMO. IMO the time to prevent gang warfare was stopping immigration of people with zero cultural affinity to ethnic Swedes, but that was long ago.

I hope you're wrong, but...

 

[BE88]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Farangs that pay large and go through the hassle of legally living in LOS are in no way comparable to the people that are the problem in so many western countries.

Also, most farangs are merely long stay tourists as have to renew permission to stay every year.

And to check that you haven't escaped from Thailand even all 90 days

 

[johnnybangkok]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That is the obvious solution and one that will never happen IMO. IMO the time to prevent gang warfare was stopping immigration of people with zero cultural affinity to ethnic Swedes, but that was long ago.

The usual, knee jerk reaction in an attempt to substantiate your xenophobia.

Since 2012 Sweden has taken in 1.3 million immigrants   https://www.statista.com/statistics/523293/immigration-to-sweden/

The police estimate that about 30,000 people in Sweden are directly involved with or have ties to gang crime   https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/29/swedish-pm-seeks-help-from-military-as-gang-violence-rocks-country

That represents approximately 2% of overall immigration but if you and the many posters on here had your way, 98% of law abiding, tax paying, intigrated immigrants would have to suffer because of the actions of the few.

No one is trying to diminish what is obviously a problem, but tarring all immigrants with the same brush as the very, very few who are causing the problems is NOT the solution.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given your obvious sentiments, perhaps it would be relevant to ask how many immigrants are living in your house, or is it just other people that have to accommodate them?

I dunno. My mother was an immigrant. Does that count?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

I dunno. My mother was an immigrant. Does that count?

No. I asked how many living with you.

 

I have nothing against immigrants per se, just ones that have no cultural affinity for the country they want to live in and change to a replica of the <deleted> they came from.

Perhaps they could stop overpopulating their own countries and turning them into <deleted>, then they might not need to leave and go live somewhere else.

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The native Americans certainly thought so, along with the rest of them.

Unfettered immigration sure didn't go well for them. 

 

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

Unfettered immigration sure didn't go well for them. 

 

Sweden did not allow unfettered immigration.

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

19 minutes ago, impulse said:

Unfettered immigration sure didn't go well for them. 

Sweden did not allow unfettered immigration.

Okay.  Change "unfettered" to "reckless". 

 

And that's quoting the Swedish PM.

[ujayujay]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given your obvious sentiments, perhaps it would be relevant to ask how many immigrants are living in your house, or is it just other people that have to accommodate them?

Typical stupid sayings when the arguments are thin

[Marco100]

Unorganised immigration is the reason !

Sweden is a very civilised country where citizens understand the good for every one obeying laws and rules .

But you put in this context people who arrives from countries where violence is prevailing and they think they are in paradise , disrespecting Swedish Culture and grabbing what they want from the Swedish sistem . Ignorance is the first problem Sweden needs to deal with when hosting immigrants from undeveloped countries. 

 

[JeffersLos]

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

How many anti-immigrant types posting here are living in Thailand?

Many. But not as immigrants. It says Non-Immigrant on their 12 month visa. 

[nobodysfriend]

On 9/29/2023 at 11:16 AM, Social Media said:

Some critics have described the proposed measures as superficial, arguing they treat the symptoms rather than root causes of the violence.

 

On 9/29/2023 at 11:16 AM, Social Media said:

Sweden had not seen anything like it before and that "no other country in Europe" was experiencing this kind of situation.

These gangs make most of their money by selling drugs .

They can do so , because drugs remain illegal .

The government should make them all legal and sell them for a cheaper price and a controlled quality in Pharmacies .

Same time Pharmacies could offer links to drug - treatment facilities for someone who wants to quit or reduce consumption .

Portugal went a similar way with huge success .

This move would take away the income from the criminal gangs and no more killings for territory etc would be necessary ...

[impulse]

35 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

These gangs make most of their money by selling drugs .

They can do so , because drugs remain illegal .

The government should make them all legal and sell them for a cheaper price and a controlled quality in Pharmacies .

Criminal gangs are opportunistic.  Take away their drug money and they'll start kidnapping, or robbing, or sex trafficking or carjacking, or... or...

 

The root cause is criminality.  The only solution is to separate the criminals from decent people, whether by incarceration or by deportation.  Incarceration if they're home-grown, deportation if they're imported.

 

I'm in favor of decriminalizing many drug offenses, but I don't think that's going to solve a fundamental crime problem.

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by impulse

[BritManToo]

On 9/29/2023 at 4:10 PM, Mr Derek said:

Immigrants of course. The leader is Kurdish. Swedes are better than that.

The BBC won't mention it as it is destroys their leftist agenda.

Fill your country with uneducated, uncivilised 3rd world immigrants from war torn countries and what do you expect?

[BritManToo]

18 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You have no problems with immigrants, as long as they have the correct race.

I have no problem with immigrants as long as they are civilised, peaceful, and hopefully educated.

[RanongCat]

21 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So, immigration and globalism are not the problem, it's the people who are immigrating. 

And yet Erdogan was/is criticized for holding out on Swedish NATO qualification on the grounds that Sweden was protecting individuals considered wanted terrorist in Turkey !

Now Sweden introducing martial law ? Strange  world now !

 

 

[FruitPudding]

On 9/29/2023 at 4:10 PM, Mr Derek said:

Immigrants of course. The leader is Kurdish. Swedes are better than that.

The BBC won't mention it as it is destroys their leftist agenda.

I wonder how long before the "do gooders" wake up and realized they have made a big mistake and their country is ruined?

 

Europe (and America) needs to take a leaf out of Poland's book.

 

I am just thankful we won't see this in Thailand.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by FruitPudding

[FruitPudding]

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I have no problem with immigrants as long as they are civilised, peaceful, and hopefully educated.

Don't you know, all those fit military-aged men you see in the media arriving (not a woman or child in sight) from Africa and the Middle East on boats all over Europe are scholars, engineers, and doctors? ????

Edited October 1, 2023 by FruitPudding

[FruitPudding]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think their religion would probably exclude them from being considered either civilised or peaceful

The ones on the boats even have their own Tik Tok channels and post their own videos of their journey.

 

They are making AK47 signs with their hands and they also display symbols related to ISIS in some videos.

 

All fit military aged men.

 

Where are all the women, children, and elderly?

 

Are these really refugees if they leave their families behind?

 

[JeffersLos]

Simply don't allow Muslim immigrants into your country. ????

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

Simply don't allow Muslim immigrants into your country. ????

because religious discrimination is so wonderful.

[Damrongsak]

Foxtrot is active in Norway now.

 

" ...Norwegian police have confirmed that not only is the criminal network Foxtrot active in Norway, it’s also probably behind a kidnapping in Trondheim earlier this year. ..."

 

https://www.newsinenglish.no/2023/09/28/trondheim-kidnapping-linked-to-foxtrot/

 

 

[FruitPudding]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

because religious discrimination is so wonderful.

Islam is different. It has a terrorist problem.

 

Poland has zero terrorist attacks. They are proud of that and their immigration policy protects their people.

[FruitPudding]

19 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The implication is that non-whites are inherently uncivilized, warlike and uneducated.

Time will tell.

 

No need to imply anything or speculate.

 

The experiment has begun and I hope for the sake of our countries that the above statement is not true.

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Time will tell.

 

No need to imply anything or speculate.

 

The experiment has begun and I hope for the sake of our countries that the above statement is not true.

The experiment began in America in the 19th century.

 

Britain also allowed immigration from its colonies in the 20th century. There were massive complaints about immigration from India. How did that work out? For Britain, it looks like the foreigners took over.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Danderman123

[proton]

On 9/30/2023 at 8:53 AM, Danderman123 said:

 

 

Sweden will take care of its crime problem.  Many countries have had to deal with the unique nature of immigrants before assimilation of immigrants into local culture.

 

Your agenda, however, does not seem to be about how to deal with immigrant culture, but to exclude them from entering the country.

 

There is nothing wrong with legal immigration.

 

Nothing wrong with legal immigration- apart from alienation, non integration, soaring rape and crime & violence and the destruction of the host culture, as Sweden so well demonstrates.