Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Win Nobel Prize for Medicine 2023

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

So you are not done?! Good to see you back Brian.

 

Nothing I post is any more off topic than your musings. In fact, I'm very much on-topic; as you well know. You just have no argument against the truth.

 

 

Here is the truth

 

Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Win Nobel Prize for Medicine 2023

[owl sees all]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here is the truth

 

Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Win Nobel Prize for Medicine 2023

And I say there are more worthy candidates. As I have previously posted; why this award has been given when it has.

 

This is all simply a 'house of cards'.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

And I say there are more worthy candidates. As I have previously posted; why this award has been given when it has.

 

This is all simply a 'house of cards'.

The Nobel Prize on Medicine has been around since 1901. Not a house of cards as you claim. 

[Realworld]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I guess you are talking about me.

 

Let me tell you something Sir; I am an authority on viruses. Although I've not had a paper in Nature or Lancet, I've published many essays on the subject. In fact I write for a monthy newspaper/magazine on this very subject.

 

None so blind as will not see.

Can you please post a link to these published essays?

 

Are they peer reviewed?

[xylophone]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Nobel Prize on Medicine has been around since 1901. Not a house of cards as you claim. 

Dont forget Bkk Brian that the "owl" poster is one who believes and supports the totally discredited "America's Frontline Doctors", so you don't have a chance in hell in discussing anything sensible with him.

 

Of course he believes that nature will cure all, just as it did (not) with smallpox epidemics, leprosy, polio, diphtheria and many others both viral and bacterial.

 

Wasting your time Brian, as there's none so blind as those who will not see.

[owl sees all]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Nobel Prize on Medicine has been around since 1901. Not a house of cards as you claim. 

The early 1900s were the start of Big Pharma. Truth has taken a back seat ever since. Manufactured medicine pushed nature out of the way with big money.

[owl sees all]

6 minutes ago, Realworld said:

Can you please post a link to these published essays?

 

Are they peer reviewed?

They are essays on the subject of modern medicine, the role of Big Pharma and the folly of believing in the 'white coats'.

 

No peer reviews that I know of.

[owl sees all]

10 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Dont forget Bkk Brian that the "owl" poster is one who believes and supports the totally discredited "America's Frontline Doctors", so you don't have a chance in hell in discussing anything sensible with him.

Joined their ranks to get a different perspective on covid.

 

I am not in agreement with some of their statements; including the use of Ivermectin and Hydrox. And have expressed the reasons why.

 

To get a decent range of opinions, and why people have those opinions, one should, IMO, read all possibles.

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by owl sees all
inserted an 'x'.

[Realworld]

6 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

They are essays on the subject of modern medicine, the role of Big Pharma and the folly of believing in the 'white coats'.

 

No peer reviews that I know of.

OK, not peer reviewed, so opinions.

 

it would still be good to have a link, so we can give a balanced view.

[xylophone]

1 minute ago, Realworld said:

OK, not peer reviewed, so opinions.

 

it would still be good to have a link, so we can give a balanced view.

With respect, you don't need to have a "balanced view" on the opinions of this poster (I have him on ignore, so I can't see his posts), and the fact that he believes and supports "America's Frontline Doctors", a totally discredited anti-vax organisation, which promotes ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for treating Covid, should tell you all you need to know about him and his knowledge/beliefs. 

[owl sees all]

5 minutes ago, Realworld said:

OK, not peer reviewed, so opinions.

 

it would still be good to have a link, so we can give a balanced view.

Not opinions at all. Well they are, but based on proven facts. Can't give you a link on this platform RW; sorry.

[rabas]

56 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

And I say there are more worthy candidates. As I have previously posted; why this award has been given when it has.

Because it limited worldwide SARS-2-Cov deaths to around 20 million and the number with long term illness to around 100 million.  Not bad for the most infectious respiratory virus ever seen.

 

Note: the Nobel prize is given for scientific work that led to vaccines. The ability to use the body's own mRNA to fight disease is a miracle that will pan out over many decades.

 

Yes, your body is perpetually swimming in vast amounts of mRNA. It is the very essence of life.

[owl sees all]

11 minutes ago, xylophone said:

With respect, you don't need to have a "balanced view" on the opinions of this poster (I have him on ignore, so I can't see his posts), and the fact that he believes and supports "America's Frontline Doctors", a totally discredited anti-vax organisation, which promotes ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for treating Covid, should tell you all you need to know about him and his knowledge/beliefs. 

You put me on ignore!! Dear me!

 

If you read my earlier post, you will see that I do/did not support their promotion of  ''' ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for treating Covid.'' And wrote an essay to explain why.

 

Their position (as quoted) goes 100% against my beliefs. It is anti-nature.

 

If you think that AFDs are discredited; so be it.

[owl sees all]

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

Because it limited worldwide SARS-2-Cov deaths to around 20 million and the number with long term illness to around 100 million.  Not bad for the most infectious respiratory virus ever seen.

 

Note: the Nobel prize is given for scientific work that led to vaccines. The ability to use the body's own mRNA to fight disease is a miracle that will pan out over many decades.

 

Yes, your body is perpetually swimming in vast amounts of mRNA. It is the very essence of life.

I hear what you are saying Rabas. I do not agree with any of it. Except the very last sentence; perhaps.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

The early 1900s were the start of Big Pharma. Truth has taken a back seat ever since. Manufactured medicine pushed nature out of the way with big money.

"Truth has taken a back seat ever since"

 

About time to put up or shut up, not seen one credible link from you yet

[Realworld]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

Not opinions at all. Well they are, but based on proven facts. Can't give you a link on this platform RW; sorry.

Ok , accept any link here, may expose your real identity, so best to avoid in this forum.

 

But unable to judge proven facts will out seeing any details.

 

Thanks for your replies

[owl sees all]

20 minutes ago, Realworld said:

Ok , accept any link here, may expose your real identity, so best to avoid in this forum.

 

But unable to judge proven facts will out seeing any details.

 

Thanks for your replies

What I would be willing to do, is a series of essays on different aspects of the same topic. Natural Health:::::.

 

Including;

 

Big Pharma health products; the role of vaccines in combating illness; the Spanish flu and its implications for today; how big money killed off natural health, in the early 1900s; history of viruses even.

 

If I could get the OK from AN that they would not take them down, or suspend me, I would. Obviously not on a thread such as this. A new one.

Edited October 5, 2023 by owl sees all

[owl sees all]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Of course he believes that nature will cure all, just as it did (not) with smallpox epidemics, leprosy, polio, diphtheria and many others both viral and bacterial.

Nature will cure all. Given the chance to do so, without human abominative projects.

 

The illnesses that you mentioned were, the body's natural response to a toxin, and often the direct result of man interfering with nature.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

mRNA COVID vaccines saved lives and won a Nobel — what’s next for the technology?

Nature talks to experts about how messenger RNA is transforming medicine.

 

"In just three short years, mRNA vaccines have saved millions of lives, achieved household recognition and, as of this week, become the subject of a Nobel Prize. Yet the field shows no signs of slowing down.

 

In the wake of the technology’s dramatic success in generating quick-turnaround COVID-19 vaccines, investors have poured billions of dollars into expanding mRNA’s therapeutic reach.

 

This influx of cash promises to fuel the research and infrastructure needed to deploy mRNA medicines in ways that could transform public health by tackling hard-to-treat infectious diseases, cancers and rare genetic disorders."

 

(more)

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03119-x

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Moderna combination Covid, flu vaccine moves to final stage trial after positive data

Oct 4 2023

 

"Moderna on Wednesday said its combination vaccine targeting Covid and the flu will move to a final stage trial in adults ages 50 and above this year after showing positive results in an early to mid-stage study.

 

The biotech company hopes its shot, mRNA-1083, can win approval from regulators in 2025. 

 

Moderna and other vaccine makers like Pfizer believe combination vaccines will simplify what people can do to protect themselves against respiratory viruses that typically surge around the same time of the year."

 

(more)

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/04/moderna-combination-covid-flu-vaccine-shows-positive-data.html

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

Potential beyond fighting Covid-19

 

"Early studies suggest mRNA technology shows promise as a treatment for cancers, including melanoma and pancreatic cancer, and it’s being studied for use in vaccines for seasonal flu, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and HIV.

 

Other avenues of ongoing mRNA research include exploring a new avenue to treat autoimmune diseases. And mRNA technology is also being checked out as a possible alternative to gene therapy for intractable conditions such as sickle cell disease."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/health/mrna-vaccine-technology-explainer-scn/index.html

 

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, xylophone said:

You "cherry-picked" the above from an article thereby taking it out of context. mRNA was being worked on by other companies and the technology was known in the 1960s. There were other companies working with this technology, albeit much later on, such as: Moderna (who had a development pipeline of 21 programs), BioNTech, Sanofi, Translate Bio and Curevac.

 

The saving of millions of lives with the potential to wipe out many other diseases means this was a breakthrough of epic proportions.

Such hyperbolic language! Perhaps you should temper your starry-eyed zeal, take a step back and consider the actual results of this experiment. Most people wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, rabas said:

Because it limited worldwide SARS-2-Cov deaths to around 20 million and the number with long term illness to around 100 million.  Not bad for the most infectious respiratory virus ever seen.

 

Note: the Nobel prize is given for scientific work that led to vaccines. The ability to use the body's own mRNA to fight disease is a miracle that will pan out over many decades.

 

Yes, your body is perpetually swimming in vast amounts of mRNA. It is the very essence of life.

A miracle, no less! So where do pharma believers practice their faith? Vaccination centers?

[owl sees all]

20 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Such hyperbolic language! Perhaps you should temper your starry-eyed zeal, take a step back and consider the actual results of this experiment. Most people wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

And fortunately some were not fooled first time round. Their sperm, and blood, will be worth  a fortune in the not too distant future.

[owl sees all]

55 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Potential beyond fighting Covid-19

 

"Early studies suggest mRNA technology shows promise as a treatment for cancers, including melanoma and pancreatic cancer, and it’s being studied for use in vaccines for seasonal flu, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and HIV.

 

Other avenues of ongoing mRNA research include exploring a new avenue to treat autoimmune diseases. And mRNA technology is also being checked out as a possible alternative to gene therapy for intractable conditions such as sickle cell disease."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/health/mrna-vaccine-technology-explainer-scn/index.html

 

Simply messing with nature for money.

[watthong]

25 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Most people wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

Which planet are you from? or to put it more succintly, Dorothy, get out of those red slippers!

[watthong]

12 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Their sperm, and blood, will be worth  a fortune in the not too distant future.

Now we're talking!! <<SARCASM>>

[rattlesnake]

16 minutes ago, watthong said:

Which planet are you from? or to put it more succintly, Dorothy, get out of those red slippers!

Such wit! I'm checkmated.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

An interesting back-story of how it can be a daunting task to produce groundbreaking scientific achievement, when even your own university doesn't believe in you:

Some Academics Urge Penn To Apologize

"Katalin Karikó won this year’s Nobel Prize in Medicine alongside Drew Weissman for their research that led to the development of mRNA Covid-19 vaccines, but a post from the University of Pennsylvania—where Karikó was demoted from tenure track in 1995—claiming her as a Penn researcher angered the medical community.

...

Though initially on track to become a tenured professor, the university reportedly offered Karikó a choice to either leave or be demoted with a pay cut in 1995—which she said was “particularly horrible” because she had just been diagnosed with cancer and her husband was stuck in Hungary because of a visa issue—because her mRNA research was deemed too risky and did not attract enough grant funding.

 

Karikó took the demotion and continued her work, but later left her senior research investigator position at Penn (where she retains an adjunct professorship) in 2013 to serve as vice president at BioNTech—co-manufacturer of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine—because Penn refused to reinstate her to a tenure track position, reportedly considering her research “not of faculty quality.”

 

(more)

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/10/03/researcher-demoted-by-university-of-pennsylvania-wins-nobel-prize-for-mrna-discoveries-and-some-academics-urge-penn-to-apologize/

 

Yet after the Nobel Prize award, the university put out a post lauding "Penn’s historic mRNA vaccine research team”

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[watthong]

On 10/3/2023 at 1:18 PM, atpeace said:

To use a derogatory  label (anti-vax) for a person is a sign of the the labelers lack of sincerity and intellect. 

For the sake of anyone's supposedly non-lacking "sincerity and intellect," "anti-vax" is not a derogatory term by any means, Such sentiment is rather in the "eye of the beholder."  It might be divisive by its nature, but not demeaning or degrading. Other examples: "communists" (vs "socialists") or "republicans" (vs "democrats" for us Yanks) - and in this case, "anti-vaxxers" (vs "vaxxers," if there is such a thing.)