What's your opinion on this? Jordan Peterson on IQ

[GammaGlobulin]

I cannot say that I am in complete agreement with Jordan Peterson's thinking concerning IQ.

 

What about YOU?

 

Do you agree, disagree, or differ in important ways, with Jordan' views about IQ, the importance of IQ in daily living, and the importance of IQ in determining the mix of IQ in the workplace?

 

Please be specific in replying to Jordan's IQ points...

 

Also, enjoy these short UTUBE videos made by Jordan...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[retarius]

Certainly thought provoking. But Jordan Peterson always is, which is why he is contraversial. The main point that got me was the no jobs for people with IQs under 83. I must confess I had never thought of this as a reason for the existence in every society of the underclass....unemployable people. I think that there is a deal of truth in this, but how to solve it? Peterson is right in that neither left not right are even examining the problem, for the reason he outlines.

The first tape was not as clear in its message however studying vague things like intelligence is a lost cause unless the concept of 'intelligence' can be explicitly articulated. If not you tend to end up with a pig's breakfast of semantics. 

 

 

However I have read that IQ correlates very closely with success at work and salaries earned. Much of the work on IQ was criticised by the negative reaction to the finding that blacks have lower IQs than whites, which was claimed to be racist. The finding that Asians had higher IQs that whites seems to have been forgotten about.

 

The black vs white claim was made and used to explain that poorer performance by blacks at work, was not caused by racism but by the fact that the IQ test were based in favour of whites, because they were designed by whites. I obviously don't know whether this claim is true or not This wouldn't be surprising as whites invented the tests. This latter argument is akin to the recent claim that photography is racist because the films used portray white skin tones better than black ones....but then again whites invented photography and the films and papers that make it possible so maybe they optimised the papers for white skin tones. 

 

Overall I find Jordan Peterson a thought provoking man. And a man unafraid to talk sense while ignoring the driving fashions of the day like racism and LBGTI+ woke stuff, that are trying to cancel him.

[NextG]

  On 10/3/2023 at 9:58 AM, retarius said:

Certainly thought provoking. But Jordan Peterson always is, which is why he is contraversial. The main point that got me was the no jobs for people with IQs under 83. I must confess I had never thought of this as a reason for the existence in every society of the underclass....unemployable people. I think that there is a deal of truth in this, but how to solve it? Peterson is right in that neither left not right are even examining the problem, for the reason he outlines.

The first tape was not as clear in its message however studying vague things like intelligence is a lost cause unless the concept of 'intelligence' can be explicitly articulated. If not you tend to end up with a pig's breakfast of semantics. 

 

 

However I have read that IQ correlates very closely with success at work and salaries earned. Much of the work on IQ was criticised by the negative reaction to the finding that blacks have lower IQs than whites, which was claimed to be racist. The finding that Asians had higher IQs that whites seems to have been forgotten about.

 

The black vs white claim was made and used to explain that poorer performance by blacks at work, was not caused by racism but by the fact that the IQ test were based in favour of whites, because they were designed by whites. I obviously don't know whether this claim is true or not This wouldn't be surprising as whites invented the tests. This latter argument is akin to the recent claim that photography is racist because the films used portray white skin tones better than black ones....but then again whites invented photography and the films and papers that make it possible so maybe they optimised the papers for white skin tones. 

 

Overall I find Jordan Peterson a thought provoking man. And a man unafraid to talk sense while ignoring the driving fashions of the day like racism and LBGTI+ woke stuff, that are trying to cancel him.

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Whilst all the while the incredibly high IQ people are continually being outsmarted by people who stopped attending school at twelve years old. Super high IQ GG on this board cannot even find himself a woman. 
Easy to bend history to suggest that one race invented everything. Conveniently forgetting that not so long ago it would have not been acceptable to even admit that a woman or a person of colour was the real inventor. So don’t put too much stock in that. 
A sad state of affairs that so many need JP to validate their existence. 

[retarius]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:16 AM, NextG said:

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Whilst all the while the incredibly high IQ people are continually being outsmarted by people who stopped attending school at twelve years old. Super high IQ GG on this board cannot even find himself a woman. 
Easy to bend history to suggest that one race invented everything. Conveniently forgetting that not so long ago it would have not been acceptable to even admit that a woman or a person of colour was the real inventor. So don’t put too much stock in that. 
A sad state of affairs that so many need JP to validate their existence. 

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Decent women tend not to like pricks., I didn't mention it in case it demoralised him but Japanese women are very particular in this regard.

[spidermike007]

A relatively high IQ can be an advantage. A very high IQ usually is not. Especially if the person had a bad childhood, carries alot of baggage, or is neurotic. I have known many highly intelligent people who are very skilled at making themselves miserable. In my opinion an IQ between 90 and 135 is ideal. Anything over that can be problematic.

[OneMoreFarang]

Jordan is very intelligent (>150), and he studied and worked in psychology for decades.

Nobody of us knows even 1% of what he knows.

What's the point of us arguing about what he says.

 

It's like arguing with Elon Musk how to optimize his rockets. Who wants to tell him how to make it better?

[proton]

All manner of IQ tests have been thought up to correct perceived cultural and racial bias, but the worldwide results, which I am not going to post here, appear to be much the same for races, where ever they have been brought up. On average Chinese and Japanese get the best results , Caucasians next who you know who at the bottom. While it's fine to say that the you know who's are generally superior physically and excel at many sports such as athletics, to say they are just not as bright due to genetics only results in the old racism mud slinging. It's thought now that the lack of Neanderthal DNA in the you know who's is far more to blame than the usual excuses of poverty/racism/slavery.

[NextG]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:22 AM, retarius said:

Decent women tend not to like pricks., I didn't mention it in case it demoralised him but Japanese women are very particular in this regard.

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If one is intolerant of others, thinking that you are so much better and so much more intelligent, you are going to struggle with relationships. Relationships need to be based in reality…. which has a tendency to stick a spoke in the wheels of mere fantasy. 

Learning how to live in harmony with others can open up a world of possibilities.

Otherwise you are liable to get stuck in a very limited world of your own. 
 

[NextG]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:32 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Jordan is very intelligent (>150), and he studied and worked in psychology for decades.

Nobody of us knows even 1% of what he knows.

What's the point of us arguing about what he says.

 

It's like arguing with Elon Musk how to optimize his rockets. Who wants to tell him how to make it better?

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There are many roads to the same destination…

[OneMoreFarang]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:16 AM, NextG said:

Whilst all the while the incredibly high IQ people are continually being outsmarted by people who stopped attending school at twelve years old.

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Really?

Or did you make that up when you didn't score the test as you would have liked?

[OneMoreFarang]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:32 AM, proton said:

All manner of IQ tests have been thought up to correct perceived cultural and racial bias, but the worldwide results, which I am not going to post here, appear to be much the same for races, where ever they have been brought up. On average Chinese and Japanese get the best results , Caucasians next who you know who at the bottom. While it's fine to say that the you know who's are generally superior physically and excel at many sports such as athletics, to say they are just not as bright due to genetics only results in the old racism mud slinging. It's thought now that the lack of Neanderthal DNA in the you know who's is far more to blame than the usual excuses of poverty/racism/slavery.

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The spectrum is very wide.

Maybe you can say that Chinese or Japanese are in average more intelligent than maybe Europeans (maybe, I don't know). But by how much? Let's say it's 5%, which would be a lot. Then you still have a huge overlap of over average Europeans which are more intelligent than under average Chinese. So, any individual which we meet from any location or race might have a higher or lower IQ than us.

[observer90210]

"There is no difference between a astro-nuclear-physics-quantum scientist or a dishwasher,  when they are in love....(A. Einstein though I did change a bit the text ????).

 

But very often, the best advice and tips I got, were during the easy chat with a limo/taxi/car driver during the journey. And they were no rocket scientists either.

[NextG]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:32 AM, proton said:

All manner of IQ tests have been thought up to correct perceived cultural and racial bias, but the worldwide results, which I am not going to post here, appear to be much the same for races, where ever they have been brought up. On average Chinese and Japanese get the best results , Caucasians next who you know who at the bottom. While it's fine to say that the you know who's are generally superior physically and excel at many sports such as athletics, to say they are just not as bright due to genetics only results in the old racism mud slinging. It's thought now that the lack of Neanderthal DNA in the you know who's is far more to blame than the usual excuses of poverty/racism/slavery.

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People exhibit their intellect in different ways. Different ways of understanding. Until you understand that, you won’t ever understand anything. You will die ignorant. 
 

[observer90210]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:39 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

The spectrum is very wide.

Maybe you can say that Chinese or Japanese are in average more intelligent than maybe Europeans (maybe, I don't know). But by how much? Let's say it's 5%, which would be a lot. Then you still have a huge overlap of over average Europeans which are more intelligent than under average Chinese. So, any individual which we meet from any location or race might have a higher or lower IQ than us.

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Some say they are smart due to their diet and all the fish they eat...seriously. We are what we eat. The stomach is the minds brain !

[NextG]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:35 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Really?

Or did you make that up when you didn't score the test as you would have liked?

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The last time I tested, it was a disappointing 144/5.  But I deliberately under-performed…. as was my wont. How about you?

[OneMoreFarang]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:41 AM, observer90210 said:

Some say they are smart due to their diet and all the fish they eat...seriously. We are what we eat. The stomach is the minds brain !

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Yeah, sure, maybe in whatever world you occupy. 

Please send us a link from a reliable source with that information. 

[OneMoreFarang]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:42 AM, NextG said:

The last time I tested, it was a disappointing 144/5.  But I deliberately under-performed…. as was my wont. How about you?

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Mensa Member. 

[proton]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:39 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

The spectrum is very wide.

Maybe you can say that Chinese or Japanese are in average more intelligent than maybe Europeans (maybe, I don't know). But by how much? Let's say it's 5%, which would be a lot. Then you still have a huge overlap of over average Europeans which are more intelligent than under average Chinese. So, any individual which we meet from any location or race might have a higher or lower IQ than us.

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I forgot Jews of course, right up at the top as well. 

[observer90210]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:48 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Yeah, sure, maybe in whatever world you occupy. 

Please send us a link from a reliable source with that information. 

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I'm sure a smart man like you can handle the research on Google and find all the sources to either confirm or refute the issue ????

 

But as I appreciate your posts quite often here is one link and good luck to read it entirely.....I did not. ????

 

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/diet-rich-in-fatty-fish-good-for-cognitive-function

 

 

[save the frogs]

“‘Rabbit’s clever,’ said Pooh thoughtfully. ‘Yes,’ said Piglet, ‘Rabbit’s clever.’ ‘And he has Brain.’ ‘Yes,’ said Piglet, ‘Rabbit has Brain.’ There was a long silence. ‘I suppose,’ said Pooh, ‘that that’s why he never understands anything.‘”

 

[GammaGlobulin]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:22 AM, retarius said:

Decent women tend not to like pricks., I didn't mention it in case it demoralised him but Japanese women are very particular in this regard.

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You are saying Japanese women are very particular about their taste in pricks, and tend to not like pricks on the whole, no matter how small or demoralizing they may be?

 

[GammaGlobulin]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:53 AM, proton said:

I forgot Jews of course, right up at the top as well. 

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I think the research is on Ashkenazi Jews, actually, showing superior intelligence.

 

 

[bignok]

Good looks matters more

 

[spidermike007]

  On 10/3/2023 at 10:40 AM, observer90210 said:

"There is no difference between a astro-nuclear-physics-quantum scientist or a dishwasher,  when they are in love....(A. Einstein though I did change a bit the text ????).

 

But very often, the best advice and tips I got, were during the easy chat with a limo/taxi/car driver during the journey. And they were no rocket scientists either.

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Sure there is. Alot of difference. What he meant is that both can be absolute idiots, if they are listening to the wrong voice or the small head too much. 

[metisdead]

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[rumak]

the above posts are a great example of what goes on when "smart" people get together. 

 

I try to avoid them 

[riclag]

  On 10/3/2023 at 11:27 AM, bignok said:

Good looks matters more

 

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So much truth behind that! Imop

A perfect 10 vs a high IQ score!

[RanongCat]

I am going to back the  Savants ! Natural ability, not a contrived measure of the capacity to regurgitate information .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[NextG]

  On 10/3/2023 at 11:50 AM, rumak said:

the above posts are a great example of what goes on when "smart" people get together. 

 

I try to avoid them 

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Most of them were likely continually beaten by their short time companions at Connect 4…

[NextG]

  On 10/3/2023 at 11:42 AM, spidermike007 said:

Sure there is. Alot of difference. What he meant is that both can be absolute idiots, if they are listening to the wrong voice or the small head too much. 

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JP’s wife, a massage therapist..