ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[SpaceKadet]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:02 AM, Morch said:

 

That's a common misconception. Israel does not, generally, carry out indiscriminate bombings. That there are civilian casualties is a fact, but the way the attacks are carried is, for the most part, in accordance with international law. What you imagines the rules to be, and what they are, is not the same.

 

Are you trying to claim much of the Palestinian attack did not intentionally target unarmed civilians? With all the available horrid footage about? And taking pride in it too? Well well....

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Didn't know international law allowed killing of children. Like these incidents:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israeli-army-kills-teen-girl-west-bank-raid-palestinians-say-rcna61299

And here:

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20230303-israeli-forces-kill-teenager-in-west-bank-says-palestinian-ministry

 

There are many, many more. There is even video of a teenage girl being taken to school by her father, targeted and killed by Israeli checkpoint soldiers....

 

But some will say they only defend themselves. From 14 year old girls.... huh!

[Morch]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:42 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

 

I wasn't actually insinuating anything about you personally, rather a general question to all that support Israeli attacks on civilians.

 

However, I'll put you on ignore, so I won't be saying anything personally about you again.

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Where did you see 'support' for attacks? I was clarifying a fact you're unwilling to accept.

 

 

[Morch]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:46 AM, SpaceKadet said:

Didn't know international law allowed killing of children. Like these incidents:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israeli-army-kills-teen-girl-west-bank-raid-palestinians-say-rcna61299

And here:

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20230303-israeli-forces-kill-teenager-in-west-bank-says-palestinian-ministry

 

There are many, many more. There is even video of a teenage girl being taken to school by her father, targeted and killed by Israeli checkpoint soldiers....

 

But some will say they only defend themselves. From 14 year old girls.... huh!

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I guess you understand that the previous exchange related to air strikes vs. rocket attacks.

Nowhere did I say the IDF does not break international law at all times. The comment was with regards to a specific point. But you already knew that...

[SpaceKadet]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:50 AM, Morch said:

 

I guess you understand that the previous exchange related to air strikes vs. rocket attacks.

Nowhere did I say the IDF does not break international law at all times. The comment was with regards to a specific point. But you already knew that...

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What I'm trying to convey here, is that some posters call all Palestinians terrorists, but will justify all terrorist actions by IDF.

[Walker88]

Israel will be asking the US for more aid and assistance.

 

I wonder if in some 'perfect' phone call, if Biden will link the release of aid to Israel first providing dirt on Biden's potential opponent?

 

Would that be an impeachable offense? Republicans have said it would not, at least that's what they used to say.

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:46 AM, Morch said:

 

Yet another lazy copy-paste post (think forum rules do not allow this, even).  The current attack was not on occupied territory, but in Israel.

 

And regardless of the nonsense quoted, my comment holds - there is no general Palestinian acceptance of peace (as in dropping claims for the whole of Israel, and ceasing violence) for territory.

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[Wobblybob]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:15 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

If I was born a Gazan, I'm pretty sure I'd be supporting anyone that wants to attack the Israelis. Do you have any idea what those unfortunate civilians suffer, or is it all right with you because they are just Palestinians?

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Yes, but on the other hand if you were born an Israeli you would be normally supporting anybody that tries to stop terrorists from attacking Israeli innocent civilians, would that be a fair comment.????

[Wobblybob]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:54 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

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Chris Williamson resigned from the Labour Party for his anti semite remarks, not exactly the best person to get a point across I would have thought.

[Morch]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:53 AM, SpaceKadet said:

What I'm trying to convey here, is that some posters call all Palestinians terrorists, but will justify all terrorist actions by IDF.

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You quoted my post. I have never claimed either of these things.

[Chris Daley]

What is Israel?  It's a country right?

[Morch]

@MrMojoRisin

 

Williamson currently hosts the programme Palestine Declassified on the Iranian government-owned TV channel PressTV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Williamson_(politician)

 

 

[Jingthing]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:41 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

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Chomsky is a brilliant linguist. Beyond that, his opinions about the Israeli Palestinian conflict shouldn't carry any special weight.

[Jingthing]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:13 AM, Chris Daley said:

What is Israel?  It's a country right?

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Since 1948 snookums.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:37 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

No it's not complicated at all. If I was living under occupation and collective punishment in my own country I'd want to strike back at the oppressors.

In France, the resistance were heroes, but strangely it seems that it's different if the Resistance are Palestinian.

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Equating Israel with Nazis again ?

Do you support your Maoris fight against Westerners taking their land ?

   You are from New Zealand , how did you people acquire that land ?

   Did the World decide you could have a Country there , like the World did for Israel ?

  Who are the land thieves ?

 

[StayinThailand2much]

  On 10/7/2023 at 11:37 AM, bignok said:

Id flatten the joint. The jews have more patience than me.

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Seconded.

[roo860]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:30 AM, StayinThailand2much said:

Seconded.

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Thirded

[StayinThailand2much]

thaibeachlovers wrote:

"No it's not complicated at all. If I was living under occupation and collective punishment in my own country I'd want to strike back at the oppressors."

 

Gaza is not under occupation by Israel, and, clearly, Hamas and Iran have a different agenda. They like to tell everyone who wants to know that they want to eradicate the state of Israel and establish a fundamentalist Islamic regime there. Ironically, neither Muslim Israelis, nor Palestinians want that, otherwise the latter would have elected Hamas extremists like in Gaza...

 

Someone mentioned that you're from NZ. On my recent trip there, esp. on the South Island, I saw Ukrainian flags raised in support of that country. How about supporting the state of Israel this time too, and flying the Israeli flag?

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:34 AM, StayinThailand2much said:

Gaza is not under occupation by Israel, and, clearly, Hamas and Iran have a different agenda. They like to tell everyone who wants to know that they want to eradicate the state of Israel and establish a fundamentalist Islamic regime.

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Just for clarification , it was TBL who wrote the post that you replied to . (That often happens when you reply to a post that has been replied to and the quote gets attributed to the wrong poster)

[StayinThailand2much]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:38 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Just for clarification , it was TBL who wrote the post that you replied to . (That often happens when you reply to a post that has been replied to and the quote gets attributed to the wrong poster)

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Sorry about that.

[Stocky]

You reap what you sow.

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/8/2023 at 7:42 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

 

I wasn't actually insinuating anything about you personally, rather a general question to all that support Israeli attacks on civilians.

 

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This is a thread is about a war which was caused by Palestinians' attacking unarmed civilians . Unarmed civilians are still being held hostage by Palestinians and you've turned it around to Israel attacking unarmed civilians .

   

   Now, do you support the Hamas attacks on civilians ?

[StayinThailand2much]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:45 AM, Stocky said:

You reap what you sow.

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Argumenting like this, Poland had it coming in 1939, as did Ukraine in 2022, just to name two examples?

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:14 AM, Morch said:

@MrMojoRisin

 

Williamson currently hosts the programme Palestine Declassified on the Iranian government-owned TV channel PressTV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Williamson_(politician)

 

 

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Not too many are brave enough to speak the truth, because if you do, you end up ostracised and on Iranian government owned TV.

[Morch]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:57 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

Not too many are brave enough to speak the truth, because if you do, you end up ostracised and on Iranian government owned TV.

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Working for an Iranian government owned TV outlet doesn't do a whole lot to bolster one's credibility.

[stevenl]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:50 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

This is a thread is about a war which was caused by Palestinians' attacking unarmed civilians . Unarmed civilians are still being held hostage by Palestinians and you've turned it around to Israel attacking unarmed civilians .

   

   Now, do you support the Hamas attacks on civilians ?

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The cause can be debated with good arguments for both sides.

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 10/8/2023 at 9:03 AM, Morch said:

Working for an Iranian government owned TV outlet doesn't do a whole lot to bolster one's credibility.

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Maybe, but it certainly helps one avoid censorship on this particular topic.

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/8/2023 at 9:04 AM, stevenl said:

The cause can be debated with good arguments for both sides.

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Now we are talking about Palestinian attacks on unarmed civilians .

   If and when Israel attacks unarmed civilians then we can talk about that in a separate thread 

[Morch]

  On 10/8/2023 at 9:08 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

Maybe, but it certainly helps one avoid censorship on this particular topic.

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A 'censorship' which exists in your mind, perhaps. There are no shortage of critical reports on Israel appearing in more respected venues. First there was another poster hailing the Qatari government owned Al Jazeera as 'objective', now the Iranian Press TV is touted as free. Try harder.

 

None of this, as well as you copy/paste pics is really on topic much.

[stevenl]

  On 10/8/2023 at 9:08 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Now we are talking about Palestinian attacks on unarmed civilians .

   If and when Israel attacks unarmed civilians then we can talk about that in a separate thread 

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You said "This is a thread is about a war which was caused by Palestinians' attacking unarmed civilians . ".

We're talking about a war, the cause of which can be debated . 

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/8/2023 at 8:57 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

Not too many are brave enough to speak the truth, because if you do, you end up ostracised and on Iranian government owned TV.

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Iranian T.V only allows opinions that agree with the Iranian Governments views , there is no free speech or anything to do with any truths .

   Iranian T.V give s platform to anti Semites , because they are also anti Semites .

  It isn't a "truth" , its a hatred of a people based on their religious beliefs and some theories about Jews controlling the World, (or whatever they believe in)