ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[ChaiyaTH]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

The truth can be cruel and uncomfortable to the pro terrorist apologists. Hamas have a history of crude propaganda using kids, that should be disturbing.

Every country would have that history if their country and family was destroyed under false pretences.

[MrMojoRisin]

Just now, transam said:

Aaaaah, at last your agenda, thank you, you don't like Israeli's...................????

I don't know any Israeli's.

I don't like Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands.

I believe Israel has a right to exist, but that that existence must be within defined borders somewhat similar to the 1967 green line.

I also believe that the rising right wing fundamentalist extremism within Israel is a growing concern that will cause a great deal of harm to Palestinians and Israeli's

What I don't like is the unquestioning support of Western powers for Israel's illegal occupation as it is the only thing that is preventing peace in the Middle East.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

I don't know any Israeli's.

I don't like Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands.

I believe Israel has a right to exist, but that that existence must be within defined borders somewhat similar to the 1967 green line.

I also believe that the rising right wing fundamentalist extremism within Israel is a growing concern that will cause a great deal of harm to Palestinians and Israeli's

What I don't like is the unquestioning support of Western powers for Israel's illegal occupation as it is the only thing that is preventing peace in the Middle East.

Hamas doesn't think Israel has a right to exist. To them (and indeed most Palestinian Arabs) the entirety of the nation of Israel is seen as occupied land. 

[novacova]

9 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Hamas's actions were / are unacceptable.

 

I assume "at all costs" includes killing Palestinians children.

What a decent human being you must be.

Again a conflating way off statement and a futile attempt to equate Israel defense actions with the terrorists Hamas thuggery. 
Hamas: Uses civilians as defense shields, ie murder their own to cause emotional stir in the UN and surrounding countries and folks such as yourself.

You use ridiculous rationalizations to justify a bleeding heart syndrome for terrorist. It’s good to know where you firmly stand.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Hamas doesn't think Israel has a right to exist. To them (and indeed most Palestinian Arabs) the entirety of the nation of Israel is seen as occupied land. 

And most Israelis don't think Palestine has a right to exist.

No border will be acceptable to either side but a border must be enforced.

When children are quarrelling - an adult needs to step in.

The US could make it a reality but their politicians haven't the courage.

[transam]

Just now, novacova said:

Again a conflating way off statement and a futile attempt to equate Israel defense actions with the terrorists Hamas thuggery. 
Hamas: Uses civilians as defense shields, ie murder their own to cause emotional stir in the UN and surrounding countries and folks such as yourself.

You use ridiculous rationalizations to justify a bleeding heart syndrome for terrorist. It’s good to know where you firmly stand.

You are dismissing the fact that Muslims want Israel and its people taken out....????

[ChaiyaTH]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Finger pointing .

Hamas are behaving quite similarly to Nazis , they supported Hitler and they still  have the same ideals . 

   "Look over there , they're the Nazis, not us* .

You lot are the Nazis and Jews are fighting back this time 

TH does too

[MrMojoRisin]

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

Again a conflating way off statement and a futile attempt to equate Israel defense actions with the terrorists Hamas thuggery. 
Hamas: Uses civilians as defense shields, ie murder their own to cause emotional stir in the UN and surrounding countries and folks such as yourself.

You use ridiculous rationalizations to justify a bleeding heart syndrome for terrorist. It’s good to know where you firmly stand.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Hi Noam , the Palestinians now have missiles , heavy weapons and artillery units and basic airforce and they have been sending 1000's of missiles into Israel this week-end .

   Its time for you to update your slogan 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

And most Israelis don't think Palestine has a right to exist.

No border will be acceptable to either side but a border must be enforced.

When children are quarrelling - an adult needs to step in.

The US could make it a reality but their politicians haven't the courage.

Review your history. Palestine would exist. The Arab world rejected it because they wouldn't accept the existence of Israel. The original sin of the Arab world that still stings.

[novacova]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

You are dismissing the fact that Muslims want Israel and its people taken out....????

I wouldn’t make a broad statement about Muslims, though I have made such statements about Israel’s neighbors on this thread.

[MrMojoRisin]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hi Noam , the Palestinians now have missiles , heavy weapons and artillery units and basic airforce and they have been sending 1000's of missiles into Israel this week-end .

   Its time for you to update your slogan 

The imbalance between the two sides has only grows greater day by day. 

 

You are again wrong.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Review your history. Palestine would exist. The Arab world rejected it because they wouldn't accept the existence of Israel. The original sin of the Arab world that still stings.

Huh?

Reread the post you are responding to, this makes no sense.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The imbalance between the two sides has only grows greater day by day. 

 

You are again wrong.

You would like more of a balance in arms, so you could win next time ?

   Give Palestinians more weapons so they can finish Uncle Adolfs job ?

[novacova]

8 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Good frik’n grief, quoting Noam Chomsky of all people. Now it’s clear of who follows who.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Agreed.

They are an ETHNORELIGIOUS people.

Like the Yazidis.

A secular Jew is still a Jew regardless.

An apostate Muslim is no longer a Muslim.

Got it now?

 

Indeed, except an apostate Muslim is, in many Muslim societies, living under a death sentence.

 

Now I don't know about Gaza, but I somehow doubt that Hamas would show much mercy to apostates...

[Jingthing]

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You would like more of a balance in arms, so you could win next time ?

   Give Palestinians more weapons so they can finish Uncle Adolfs job ?

Clearly. 

There are no compromises possible with Hamas.

 

 

[rabas]

28 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

This an altered mis-quote from Chomsky (in fact only part is from him)  and not even about Gaza.

 

https://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/it-misquoting-noam-chomsky-gaza/

 

Worse, the mis-quote is from 2012. 

[Morch]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

By their ACTIONS now the US has abandoned any pretense of being a peace broker between the Palestinians and Israel. Forget about the charade of the "Two state solution". From now on the Palestinians will know that they have nothing to lose anymore.

 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I disagree. If they go too far in Gaza, it will become too difficult for western governments ( other than the US ) to pretend the Israelis are the good guys. Boycotts to follow.

 

'nothing to lose'

'boycotts to follow'

 

Same tropes each time these things go on.

 

It's great how keyboard warriors go on about people living thousands of miles away 'got nothing to lose'. More like you've got nothing to lose, no skin in this game. Have them fight to the last man, eh?

 

And sure, boycotts, sanctions. Never seriously materialized. Each time it's 'now it's different'. Wish I had a Dollar for every time this was posted.

 

 

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Sorry transam, history shows Winston sold the occupants of Palestine down the river to appease the Zionist movement. Terrorism has been enacted by both the Israeli and Arab civilian populations since the inception of the State of Israel.

History shows that violence and terrorism from both sides (against each other and vs. the Brits) started well before the 'inception of the state of Israel'.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Seriously now antisemitism comes from many sides. The left, the right, and Islamist.

If only Sergio Leone was with us....

[Morch]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes we know all about that, but there are 2 million in Gaza that DIDN'T do any of that. Do they all deserve to be murdered by bombs?

The civilians murdered (actually murdered, not maybe-will-be) yesterday by Hamas did not deserve it either.

The civilians on the receiving end of all them rockets yesterday (and still, today) launched by Hamas, did not deserve them as well.

[NextG]

1 hour ago, transam said:

You are dismissing the fact that Muslims want Israel and its people taken out....????

Childish nonsense. You are nothing better than a Troll. 
You ignore the fact that the communities used to live in peace, until one side decided that they wanted to dominate and used terrorism to achieve their goals. 
Before you blather on with more of your nonsense with regard to Muslims, have you ever been to Morocco or other countries where Jews and Muslims live together in peace?

This is a MANUFACTURED problem and there is a lot more to it than your febrile brain could ever imagine. 
For sure you will come back with an absolutely facile reply. I won’t be taking part further in this discussion as I know it won’t change a thing. 
 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

The civilians murdered (actually murdered, not maybe-will-be) yesterday by Hamas did not deserve it either.

The civilians on the receiving end of all them rockets yesterday (and still, today) launched by Hamas, did not deserve them as well.

And many of those people were not Israeli or Jewish.

 

Hamas attacked whatever and whoever were unfortunate to be in range of their randomly aimed rockets and let out of control forces.

 

 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Dead kids on both sides.

 

Give the Palestinians state of the art weaponry and they can then kill Israeli kids in the same fashion that Israeli's kill Palestinian kids.

The Hamas doesn't spend anything to protect the citizens of the Gaza Strip. No bomb shelters, for example. On the other hand, it digs miles upon miles of attack tunnels into Israel, and provides it's operatives with underground bunkers. Them priorities.

 

No one is under any compulsion or moral obligation to supply the Hamas with arms.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Do you think there are acceptable locations to kill kids?

Do you think that there are 'acceptable' locations to kill people, in general? Like, at their homes? When partying?

 

Hamas uses the local populace as protection from attack. It could place it's facilities in a way that will lessen the risk for the people of Gaza. That doesn't happen.

[FruitPudding]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The imbalance between the two sides has only grows greater day by day. 

What's wrong with that? 

 

Different countries have different military capabilities.

 

When Hamas launched the terror attack, they had fairly sophisticated weapons and vehicles (courtesy of Iran/Biden), so why shouldn't Israel defend itself?

 

Hamas has also murdered unarmed innocent civilians in their homes and raped Israeli women before parading their naked twisted bodies around, and you're talking about a power imbalance??

[Morch]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

No, it is to state the obvious - that both sides are in the wrong, both sides are constantly committing crimes against humanity and both sides are being let down by their leaders.... but most importantly, this unending human tragedy will continue as long as Israel's occupation is unquestionably supported by Western governments, the only way there will ever be a resolution to the conflict is if a border is imposed on both sides by an external party. Apologists for both sides are only prolonging the misery.

I doubt you believe your own words.

 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Hamas's actions were / are unacceptable.

 

I assume "at all costs" includes killing Palestinians children.

What a decent human being you must be.

Children get killed in wars. It's not quite the same as intentionally murdering them at their homes.

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

Do you think that there are 'acceptable' locations to kill people, in general? Like, at their homes? When partying?

 

Hamas uses the local populace as protection from attack. It could place it's facilities in a way that will lessen the risk for the people of Gaza. That doesn't happen.

Can you suggest a locale both away from populated areas and secure from Israeli attack?

With around 2 million Palestinians^[12] on some 365 square kilometers, Gaza, if considered a top-level political unit, ranks as the 3rd most densely populated in the world.^[13][14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip