Just now, sirineou said:

I think this applies to everyone, not only the side you don't like. 

 

Yeah but my side is right. And we have the bombs. So surrender or die. That solves the problem.

9 hours ago, Morch said:

Before some of you get all indignant, get on top of soap boxes, get into righteous rant mode and so on...

 

Yes, and?

 

That, indeed, what I have to say on the clip shown above. Not because I don't feel sorry for the guy in the wheelchair. Not because i think the soldiers didn't do wrong. Of course it's not right. Duh.

 

But what was the point? To show that the IDF is not pure as snow? To demonstrate that the occupation in the West Bank can be brutal and is wrong? I've no issues with that. Said as much on more than one post. I think people thinking otherwise are clueless, or hopeless zealots.

 

So what was the point, then? Does this scene imply Israel is totally in the wrong on everything? Does it justify the 7/10 Hamas attack? Does it make all the Palestinians into angels? The answers are no, no, and no.

 

So what we're left with is a poor attempt to deflect. To make a not so subtle Israel-bad-therefore argument. Not particularly impressed, and certainly not convinced.

 

News flash: Armies all over the world sometimes behave badly. Armies maintaining control over civilian populations maybe more so.

 

So back to the original:

 

Yes, and? What exactly are we expected to do with this information? To fold? To declare the utter rout of views? Just to remind - none of the so-called 'pro-Palestinian' crowd on here batted an eyelid, changed his point of view or anything close to that - not even after the 7/10 attack, which spin as you may was a tad worse than a guy in a wheelchair getting kicked.

 

Have at it, ladies.

 

 

And the clip starts with the wheelchair being tipped on its back, nothing of what lead up to it. 

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Defending the undefendable, this is not the first time I've seen video's with the same total disregard for any rules of engagement, we are the Israeli IDF and if you're not Jewish we can do whatever we like to you.

Yes, blah blah blah what Hamas did on the 7th was one thing, but how can anyone of sound mind think this type of conduct by your armed forces is going to help your cause.

Over the last few days any sympathy I had for Israel has gone out the window.

If you're solders, on foot, attempting to find tunnels full of terrorists, what should you do when someone is continuously interferes and is trying to stop you from doing what you are there to do?

 

And at the same time, the interference is endangering you and everyone else. 

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You tell me - why would a Palestinian terrorist cut out an unborn baby from its mother and then behead it and then behead the mother?

 

Did this atrocity occur in a vacuum?

 

Do tell.

What might the justification be for such an act? 

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Zionist clap trap, Israel is an Apartheid state, except that or keep out of it.

I'll except it

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

I can think of at least 4,104 Palestinian children who won’t be able to access the “humanitarian” corridor.

 

So no genocide, okay.

 

How about a little indiscriminate bombing of residential areas that kills innocent civilians at a rate unseen anywhere for decades - is that how we civilised folk should respond to “these people”?

So 4,104 dead kids leave about two million Palestinian kids, yes? Not much of a genocide, at that rate it will take over forty years to complete. 

24 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I noticed you havent denied it. As to the rest of your analysis, if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck......

 

The best part is while y'all preen and goosestep, we (meaning the decent, civilized West) are slowly but surely wiping the terrs out. Boom.

 

Agreed, it reflects a response in line with supremacist and exterminalist agenda (AMALEK) of the Israeli coalition of Benjamin Netanyahu with the ultra orthodox and ultra right wing conservative and radical political parties.

 

I've denied the labeling of anti semitism on me multiple times in this thread in my post like others. I've asked to back up or proof multiple times through my posts (snippets) that I've posted anti semitic content = none of them were replied...

 

I didn't provide an analysis as I didn't provide a conclusion...let's call it a guideline for one side and a warning for the other side as you promote only bipolar logics.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

So 4,104 dead kids leave about two million Palestinian kids, yes? Not much of a genocide, at that rate it will take over forty years to complete. 

So you would approve a dismissed Israeli MP's suggestion to use nuclear weapons to accelerate  the genocide?

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

 

Yeah but my side is right. And we have the bombs. So surrender or die. That solves the problem.

 

In eschatology you need to see the full picture and be on the right side from the beginning.

2 hours ago, Thorgal said:

 

There's not western press in Northern Gaza and IDF Twitter is not reliable.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC6M0d9euT4

 

Why is there no western press in Gaza? 

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

I'm not a Hamas supporter. You don't need to try to brainwash me.

 

I've no affinity with Hamas leadership.

Again, my position is neutral and unbiased.

 

Israel government created this Hamas Golem in 1987. they have to fix it.

I feel for the neutral Israeli and Palestinian civilians that want fast peace and want to live fast together.

 

My position (and other posters) has been distorted ad nauseam since the beginning of this topic.

 

 

Israel did not create the Hamas. That's another misleading bit of information you (and others on here) repeat.

You are neither neutral nor unbiased, never mind credible.

 

I don't care much what you pretend to feel, either.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Why is there no western press in Gaza? 

 

Ah, the HVAC boy

 

My quote :

 

"There's not western press in Northern Gaza and IDF Twitter is not reliable."

 

There's no Western press in the Northern Gaza area above the Gaza river (IDF ground invasion phase 1 ongoing now).

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

I think this choice is at the discretion of the moderators of AN and I don't know where it's written or communicated that these Russian media outlets are forbidden.

 

Some AN members are from Russia and living in Thailand. This is not really inviting for this community.

 

If it's not accepted by forum rule : no problem for me to abide these forum rules.

 

Note : I still have the TV framework in mind, that's why we might differ from using external resources

 

I think it's quite obvious - you post them, they get taken down. With a message about using acceptable sources.

You want to pretend otherwise? Up to you.

 

54 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Scroll back to page nr 1 and you will see that these "antisemite" denominations have been created to frame people like me and others

 

Criticizing Israeli government = you become anti semite

Criticizing Zionist ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing Apartheid ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing war crimes = you become anti semite

Criticizing crimes against humanity = you become anti semite

 

Personal attacks are common and daily practice on this topic if you criticize one of the above.

 

There are 3 levels :

 

1. Level:

You will be replied : liar, idiot, stupid, waffle, etc

 

 

2. Level:

You will be replied : Hamas lover, anti semite, you want the destruction of Israel, etc

 

 

3. Level:

You will be replied : holocaust denier, nazi, you like Hitler, etc.

 

Note : this structure is also used on other public platforms, so it's not something new or unique on AN

 

You are a victim. It's so sad.

50 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

But Hamas are evil terrorists.

 

Why don’t you think the civilised Israeli’s should not have indiscriminately bombed them?

 

If they are evil terrorists, then how come many of them peace loving innocent Palestinians support them?

How come them freedom seeking Palestinians do not resist them?

How is it the Palestinians do not try to storm them tunnels?

 

I'm not party to your views about bombing being 'indiscriminate', not that they target civilians. People get killed in wars.

 

I think Israel's first commitment is to Israeli citizens.

 

I also think you're giving Hamas and the Palestinians a free pass on pretty much anything.

10 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

So you would approve a dismissed Israeli MP's suggestion to use nuclear weapons to accelerate  the genocide?

meow 

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If you're solders, on foot, attempting to find tunnels full of terrorists, what should you do when someone is continuously interferes and is trying to stop you from doing what you are there to do?

 

And at the same time, the interference is endangering you and everyone else. 

 

They weren't looking for tunnels, and it wasn't in the Gaza Strip.

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What might the justification be for such an act? 

Islam

16 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

In eschatology you need to see the full picture and be on the right side from the beginning.

No I dont. I just need to paint the words "I am Right" on the noses of a fleet of F35s. You want to argue? Tell it to someone who cares.

 

This whole problem could have been solved 250 pages ago by Hamas surrendering. 

 

Surrender or Die. 

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Keep making stuff up, posting off topic nonsense, and use dodgy sources - it's all you've got.

 

AJ_EN is a reliable source and the tunnel case next to the hospital was debunked. Case closed.

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

AJ_EN is a reliable source and the tunnel case next to the hospital was debunked. Case closed.

 

It was not 'debunked'. There were claims made. All that was shown was how things. allegedly, were planned or constructed.

There was nothing said about possible Hamas alterations, for example.

 

AJ is many thing, but calling it 'credible' on these issues is a laugh. At the very least, with a truckload of salt.

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

AJ_EN is a reliable source and the tunnel case next to the hospital was debunked. Case closed.

The same Al Jazeera who posted an article alleging that the Israeli government had opened dams in its southern region to intentionally flood parts of the Gaza Strip a few years ago? Hint, there were no dams in southern Israel and the article was false.

Hamas operative boasts he ‘can leave with any ambulance,’ in call overheard by IDF

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-operative-boasts-he-can-leave-with-any-ambulance-in-call-overheard-by-idf/

 

Not exactly news to anyone following these things, happened in previous instances as well.

Clip in article, plus several other nuggets of information.

18 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

AJ_EN is a reliable source and the tunnel case next to the hospital was debunked. Case closed.

 

How can a news source from a country that houses Hamas bosses, and which supports and funds Islamic terror be a reliable source of anything but Hamas propaganda for the gullible? 

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

Scroll back to page nr 1 and you will see that these "antisemite" denominations have been created to frame people like me and others

 

Criticizing Israeli government = you become anti semite

Criticizing Zionist ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing Apartheid ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing war crimes = you become anti semite

Criticizing crimes against humanity = you become anti semite

 

Personal attacks are common and daily practice on this topic if you criticize one of the above.

 

There are 3 levels :

 

1. Level:

You will be replied : liar, idiot, stupid, waffle, etc

 

 

2. Level:

You will be replied : Hamas lover, anti semite, you want the destruction of Israel, etc

 

 

3. Level:

You will be replied : holocaust denier, nazi, you like Hitler, etc.

 

Note : this structure is also used on other public platforms, so it's not something new or unique on AN

Very accurate.

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

How can a news source from a country that houses Hamas bosses, and which supports and funds Islamic terror be a reliable source of anything but Hamas propaganda for the gullible? 

 

The AJ_EN evidence in the footage is irrefutable.

 

The IDF_Twitter evidence is twisted and fake.

 

The origin of the messenger is not relevant, but agreed, can be an indicator in being biased or fake news under war propaganda from both sides. I've checked both evidences and I had to accept AJ_EN as acceptable and correct, despite the relations between Hamas leadership and Qatar.

 

 

From OCHA.

 

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-31

 

 

7 minutes ago, proton said:

 

How can a news source from a country that houses Hamas bosses, and which supports and funds Islamic terror be a reliable source of anything but Hamas propaganda for the gullible? 

What is unreliable about AJ?

 

It's as reliable as say an American news channel, as the US support genocide at the moment. 

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

The AJ_EN evidence in the footage is irrefutable.

 

The IDF_Twitter evidence is twisted and fake.

 

The origin of the messenger is not relevant, but agreed, can be an indicator in being biased or fake news under war propaganda from both sides. I've checked both evidences and I had to accept AJ_EN as acceptable and correct, despite the relations between Hamas leadership and Qatar.

 

 

 

Unfortunately (for you), you do not dictate the rules here, and you don't get to rule what's 'irrefutable' and what's not.

 

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

From OCHA.

 

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-31

 

 

You'd think Hamas would have released the hostages to put an end to it eh