ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Thorgal]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yes, and?

Did anyone prevent you from posting updates on the fighting up north?

 

 

If I mention HZB or Nasrallah = Off topic

 

If you comment the same = OK

 

Double standards again.

[sirineou]

Just now, Morch said:

 

Asymmetric warfare does not imply all that happened on the Hamas 7/10 attack.

Posted earlier that had they limited the attack to the army bases and capture only soldiers, there would be less issues and backlash.

Yea right, attack the Israelis army directly.

"Israel's highest ranking was for its military, which was placed fourth, behind Russia, the US, and China.  "

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-among-10-most-powerful-countries-in-the-world-in-annual-list/

 

^^^^^See !!, links , you remember those? 

and you want Hamas to attack the Army directly ? 

 

[Thorgal]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I know you want to jig out of your claim via deflection but its not worked:

 

"thermobaric grenades designed to instantly turn houses into infernos."

 

 

Yep, after the Syrian "barrel bombs" we have this time the Hamas "thermobaric grenades".

 

The Apache helicopters and Merkava's didn't shoot a single shot...LOL

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Yea right, attack the Israelis army directly.

"Israel's highest ranking was for its military, which was placed fourth, behind Russia, the US, and China.  "

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-among-10-most-powerful-countries-in-the-world-in-annual-list/

 

^^^^^See !!, links , you remember those? 

and you want Hamas to attack the Army directly ? 

 

They punched through in some 30 places along the border and were overrunning military bases and the nearest towns within minutes. 

Yes links:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/12/hamas-planning-terror-gaza-israel/

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Nice. Kill babies for attention. 

Again , Links. 

Here is mine !

" More than 3600 Palestinian children were killed in the first 25 days of the Israel-Hamas war "

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Yep, after the Syrian "barrel bombs" we have this time the Hamas "thermobaric grenades".

 

The Apache helicopters and Merkava's didn't shoot a single shot...LOL

So off topic deflection on Syria then

Edited November 13, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Rimmer]

Unattributed posts removed, 'I saw' is hearsay and is not attributed

Please see our Community Standards

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

If I mention HZB or Nasrallah = Off topic

 

If you comment the same = OK

 

Double standards again.

 

You make claims - I don't know what you base them on. Not unusual in your case.

 

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Again , Links. 

Here is mine !

" More than 3600 Palestinian children were killed in the first 25 days of the Israel-Hamas war "

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

Dont start an asymetric war whilst hiding among civilians.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Again , Links. 

Here is mine !

" More than 3600 Palestinian children were killed in the first 25 days of the Israel-Hamas war "

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

Basically, this was the plan of Hamas.

Free Palestine ... of Hamas.

[Morch]

11 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Yea right, attack the Israelis army directly.

"Israel's highest ranking was for its military, which was placed fourth, behind Russia, the US, and China.  "

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-among-10-most-powerful-countries-in-the-world-in-annual-list/

 

^^^^^See !!, links , you remember those? 

and you want Hamas to attack the Army directly ? 

 

 

You are aware that the first targets attacked on 7/10 were IDF bases and soldiers, right?

That's what i was referring to.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Dont start an asymetric war whilst hiding among civilians.

They're  winning the PR propaganda war. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by Jingthing

[Morch]

11 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Yep, after the Syrian "barrel bombs" we have this time the Hamas "thermobaric grenades".

 

The Apache helicopters and Merkava's didn't shoot a single shot...LOL

 

Here's an example:

 

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m1060.htm

 

You ongoing campaign to discredit 'barrel bombs' use is dully noted. Assad sends his thanks, I'm sure.

The rest of your post - again, nothing that you can support.

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Again , Links. 

Here is mine !

" More than 3600 Palestinian children were killed in the first 25 days of the Israel-Hamas war "

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

 

Do you do context when you reply to posts? Or just react to standalone words?

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You are aware that the first targets attacked on 7/10 were IDF bases and soldiers, right?

That's what i was referring to.

yes but not limited too. 

They had some success b ut how long do you think that success would had lasted in they persisted in a symmetrical war? 

And could you please answered on of my questions before you move on to another front.

Right or wrong I directly answered every one of yours. 

 

[sirineou]

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Dont start an asymetric war whilst hiding among civilians.

Where do you start it. On the moon? 

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Do you do context when you reply to posts? Or just react to standalone words?

context? 

the claim was made that hamas was killing Israeli children

How is Israel killing killing Palestinian children not in context? 

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Where do you start it. On the moon? 

Maybe dont start wars at all? Or are you into killing?

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

yes but not limited too. 

They had some success b ut how long do you think that success would had lasted in they persisted in a symmetrical war? 

And could you please answered on of my questions before you move on to another front.

Right or wrong I directly answered every one of yours. 

 

 

It's kinda hard to follow an argument when the goal posts keep shifting.

If the purpose of the attack was to make a point, to raise awareness, to break a stalemate, or to disrupt normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia, then a limited strike on the IDF bases, and capturing soldiers as hostages would have sufficed. It would have humiliated Israel while at the same time resulting in much less international backlash toward Hamas. It would also rob Israel of much international support and justification for retaliatory actions.

 

I did not suggest that Hamas had to go butt heads with the IDF. Nothing about symmetrical warfare. Just that the atrocities part, the attacks on civilians and so forth were not necessary.

 

I've no idea which questions you think I haven't answered. I know you didn't answer mine regarding the two-state solution (both on this topic and another one).

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, sirineou said:

context? 

the claim was made that hamas was killing Israeli children

How is Israel killing killing Palestinian children not in context? 

Intention matters.

Hamas means to murder all Jews, and murders Israeli children because they're Jews.

The IDF targets military targets that are shielded by civilians.

The intention is not to kill anyone but the military targets.

That's war, buddy.

Who started it? HAMAS. 

[Danderman123]

50 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Q : Why don't we get daily updates from the northern 2nd front in Lebanon?

 

A : Thorgal was right from the beginning.

 

Is there a northern front?

[Morch]

11 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Where do you start it. On the moon? 

 

Hamas could have located its facilities in a manner which would lessen the risk for civilians. It could also  have provided for the civilians protection.

Or take into account that the Israeli response would be harsh, and maybe rethink.

 

But as was seen - Hamas leadership actually commented that civilian death are required sacrifices for the cause, and even called on civilians to stay put and face Israel's attacks.

 

Hamas cynically and knowingly use the people of Gaza.

[BarraMarra]

55 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

The Hamas attack of 7th of October was not sure what where their targets or objectives.

I've stated that extension with West Bank and further coordination with HZB in the north could bring Israel in trouble.

 

Only in the West Bank there were small pogroms.

 

But instead the  IAF/IDF started to bomb Syrian airfields in Aleppo and Lebanese HZB positions and towns next ot the border.

 

I've stated 1 front is difficult as a surprise attack. 2 more fronts is not in favor for Israel.

 

Don't change the narrative or the messages that I've posted.

IV'E heard enough of this nonsense Thorgal put up or shut up was 250+ plus party goers at a concert a legitimate target don't arse about yes or no.

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, sirineou said:

context? 

the claim was made that hamas was killing Israeli children

How is Israel killing killing Palestinian children not in context? 

 

Yeah, that's what I meant by trying to read the posts you comment on in context.

Scroll back and you'll get it.

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, sirineou said:

context? 

the claim was made that hamas was killing Israeli children

How is Israel killing killing Palestinian children not in context? 

You still have not answered my question.

 

Given Hamas has the goal of destroying Israel, how should Israel defend itself?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, sirineou said:

context? 

the claim was made that hamas was killing Israeli children

How is Israel killing killing Palestinian children not in context? 

Because of intend, there is a huge difference

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Maybe dont start wars at all? Or are you into killing?

Yes that's what it is, I am for killing. 

What  is your solution then?  

Don't start a war. If you found yourself in their situation, the took your home and were killing your children. What would you do? Will you bend over and politely ask if they could please use some vaseline 

Attack occurred October 7

here is a report by a reputable organisation date August 28.

"Israeli forces had killed at least 34 Palestinian children in the West Bank as of August 22. "

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children

What's the matter? aren't Palestinian children white enough for you? 

 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Is there a northern front?

 

Vs. Hezbollah, but on a limited scale.

There are at least two topics supposedly dealing with that, one with little posts, the other with posts about pretty much anything else but.

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yeah, that's what I meant by trying to read the posts you comment on in context.

Scroll back and you'll get it.

Have a nice day

[Morch]

Just now, sirineou said:

Yes that's what it is, I am for killing. 

What  is your solution then?  

Don't start a war. If you found yourself in their situation, the took your home and were killing your children. What would you do? Will you bend over and politely ask if they could please use some vaseline 

Attack occurred October 7

here is a report by a reputable organisation date August 28.

"Israeli forces had killed at least 34 Palestinian children in the West Bank as of August 22. "

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children

What's the matter? aren't Palestinian children white enough for you? 

 

 

I will answer you again.

Back in 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip.

No settlements, no soldiers, no Israelis, no occupation.

Hamas could have chosen to take the opportunity and develop the Gaza Strip as an example of what the Palestinian State could be like.

What they did instead was stick with their agenda, ideology and charter - turning it into a terrorist base instead.

 

Palestinians have been making bad choices since 1947 (and even earlier). Some acknowledgement of that is in order.