Trump says Hamas attack on Israel, war in Ukraine would not have occurred if he were president

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, illisdean said:

“Trump pulled out of the JCPOA in May 2017 and there was no war. Trump sanctioned the Tehran regime into penury and instead of war, Iranian demonstrators took to the streets to protest against those who’d squandered the country’s wealth by funding international terror.”

Then Trump popped Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani and was warned there would be repercussions but there was none, no wars and what followed was the Abraham Accords and peace was breaking out all over the ME.

Trump has everything under control while in office. Biden came in, reinstated the JCPOE, refused to enforce sanctions and Iran went from 400,000 B/pd oil sales under Trump to >3M b/pd, accrued much greater wealth, all the while inching very close to a nuke, ALL on Biden’s failed watch. Then he releases $6B of fungible funds to Iran last week and now the ME is about to go into melt-down mode.

 

Say what you will, bash ole Trump but he runs circles around the demented and corrupt fool in the WH who's too busy sleeping to even mention the dead US citizens in the hamas terror attacks. Worst and most useless, incapable imbecile to ever hold office in America.

 

 

Very selective memory.  Iran was in penury before Trump pulled out of the JCPOA, but it was allowing nuclear inspectors in and limiting uranium enrichment.  Now it is approaching weapons grade enrichment. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/01/middleeast/iran-uranium-enrichment-iaea-intl/index.html

 

What protests are you referring to?  Do you think Iranians never protested before or after Trump?

 

Iran definitely responded to the killing of Soleimani:

 

"Within days of the assassination, Iran launched Operation Martyr Soleimani, which included a number of missile attacks mainly against the Al Asad base in western Iraq. Iraq had been warned of that attack in advance by Tehran, and there were no U.S. casualties, although eventually the Pentagon said more than a hundred military personnel had suffered traumatic brain injuries."    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/01/952716680/a-look-back-at-what-happened-after-the-killing-of-iranian-gen-qassem-soleimani

 

There was no response from the US on this attack on US positions.   

 

Iran oil sales were 2MBPD before and after Trump pulling out of the JCPOA.  https://www.eia.gov/international/content/analysis/countries_long/Iran/pdf/iran_exe.pdf  What are your sources for you numbers?

 

The Middle East was no more or less peaceful after the Abraham accords, however the total neglect of Palestinian interest contributed to increasing violence in Israel and led to the current situation.

 

Trump was a disaster on MidEast policy and many other things.

[Tug]

Here’s an idea parachute that tub of lard directly into Gaza and prove it! Lmao ???? 

[Skipalongcassidy]

21 hours ago, xylophone said:

If you have nothing constructive to say.........Hopalong now skippy!!

Constructive as your complete and utter nonsense there wood tone...

[Skeptic7]

This deranged, lying, corrupt, insurrectionist imbecile outlaw says alot of things. Vast majority of them false and most of the remainder unintelligible. 

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

That's easy... the big orange man with the mean tweets of course... it's a mental disorder that they refuse to get treatment for... all else in the world has no meaning as long as they have Trumpitis.

So you're okay with re-education camps for those who don't vote your way, and with the gub'ment deciding what the truth is?

 

[LosLobo]

10 hours ago, bignok said:

Covid was from China. Sad to blame Trump. Get with the real world.

What was sad, was watching the daily US death statistics from the dystopian world of Donald Trump.

 

Can you explain why more died in the US under Trump's watch and with his ongoing legacy than in most other countries in the 'real world'?

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by LosLobo

[Skipalongcassidy]

27 minutes ago, impulse said:

So you're okay with re-education camps for those who don't vote your way, and with the gub'ment deciding what the truth is?

 

go back and read my whole post and look up the word sarcasm... 

[impulse]

12 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

go back and read my whole post and look up the word sarcasm... 

My bad.  I misinterpreted it. 

 

Unfortunately "Trumpitis" is an ambiguous term and can be used by either side.  That's why I prefer the more scientific term "Trump Derangement Syndrome".

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by impulse

[Skipalongcassidy]

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

My bad.  I misinterpreted it. 

 

Unfortunately "Trumpism" is an ambiguous term and can be used by either side.  That's why I prefer the more scientific term "Trump Derangement Syndrome".

 

Trumpitis... not Trumpism... big difference

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Trumpitis... not Trumpism... big difference

Yup.  I corrected my post.

 

[Berkshire]

For those who wants to get educated about what's happened--and Trump's role--this article is short and concise, to the point.  Trump's 4-years as POTUS was a near complete failure when it comes to the Middle East.

 

"Trump’s Overrated Peace Plan Helped Enable the Horrors in Israel and Gaza"

 

[The Abraham Accords didn’t bring “the dawn of a new Middle East,” they completely ignored the Palestinians and let the Netanyahu government do almost anything it wanted.  U.S. policy, especially the Trump administration’s, contributed to the unsustainable situation that made an outbreak of violence more likely.]

[Claims that “Trump brought peace to the Middle East” are almost an inversion of reality.]

[Trump’s son-in-law and White House adviser Jared Kushner put out a “peace plan” that mostly just proposed giving Israel what it wants and dismissing Palestinian concerns.]

[Trump gave Israel things it wanted without getting anything in return...]

[Trump’s foreign policy put the U.S. in a worse position. In 2018, he unilaterally broke the Iran nuclear deal, which the Pentagon and American intelligence said Iran was following, letting Iran out of nuclear restrictions in exchange for nothing...]

[....accuse Biden of some responsibility for Hamas’ attack because Iran got $6 billion in unfrozen funds as part of the prisoner deal, but that doesn’t make sense. The money was Iranian, not American, and came from oil sales to South Korea authorized by Donald Trump.]

[Elsewhere, the Trump administration backed the failed Saudi-led attempt to blockade Qatar, which did little besides pushing Qatar closer to Iran, and seemed driven more by an effort to line Jared Kushner’s pockets than advance any coherent American interest. Later, Trump’s chaotic, haphazard approach to Syria screwed over America’s Kurdish partners, embarrassingly yielded U.S. bases to Russia, and ended up improving Iran’s position.]

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-overrated-peace-plan-helped-enable-horrors-in-israel-gaza?ref=wrap

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

So, which one scares you more?  The bad orange man with the mean tweets or Hillary, who is advocating re-education camps for political opponents?

 

Edit:  Or Joe, who set up a gub'ment Ministry of Truth (which was quickly swatted down, so they're doing it quietly now)

 

Still Trump by far...even if your absurd false statements were true. 

[Rimmer]

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[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

25 years in jail for treason without any contact with the outside world would do the trick ..  but the obvious state of the US nation, its proven propensity to do backroom deals with the racist white-supremacists since day one of its founding and the sycophancy to the rich and powerful to further the robber baron class, sees little hope of this traitor ever being removed into a place of isolation and silence by going to jail.   

 

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Apparently we have another poster that thinks the 18th century was just like now.

[thaibeachlovers]

26 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

For those who wants to get educated about what's happened--and Trump's role--this article is short and concise, to the point.  Trump's 4-years as POTUS was a near complete failure when it comes to the Middle East.

I don't often agree with you about Trump, but his Middle East policy was indeed a failure, though perhaps not for the same reasons as you may have.

[billd766]

9 hours ago, Tug said:

Here’s an idea parachute that tub of lard directly into Gaza and prove it! Lmao ???? 

You may need an awfully big cargo aircraft and some yuge cargo parachutes for that to happen.  ????????

[impulse]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

As in through education system, perhaps?

That's even scarier.  One political party indoctrinating every kid in school to vote their way...

 

[fusion58]

On 10/10/2023 at 2:57 AM, Danderman123 said:

Trump is always desperate to make every situation about him.

 

He is as crazy as a loon.

Yep.

 

A more toxic stew of grandiosity, megalomania, narcissism and abject ignorance you'd be hard pressed to find.

 

tRump will always be the most embarrassing thing America has ever done.

[metisdead]

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[Morch]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

That's even scarier.  One political party indoctrinating every kid in school to vote their way...

 

Not dictated by one political party (and obviously if so, could change from election to election). I think some countries in Europe practice that in their schools.

[fusion58]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

Not dictated by one political party (and obviously if so, could change from election to election). I think some countries in Europe practice that in their schools.

In the muddled mind of the average tRump disciple, "education" and "indoctrination" are interchangeable.

[Tug]

11 hours ago, LosLobo said:

What was sad, was watching the daily US death statistics from the dystopian world of Donald Trump.

 

Can you explain why more died in the US under Trump's watch and with his ongoing legacy than in most other countries in the 'real world'?

 

Sure that one’s easy trump set the example of disparaging the use of mask’s because it smeared his makeup yup that’s right people died because that abomination didn’t want to SMEAR HIS MAKEUP but to trump supporters he’s the manliest man ever just beggers belief 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Sure that one’s easy trump set the example of disparaging the use of mask’s because it smeared his makeup yup that’s right people died because that abomination didn’t want to SMEAR HIS MAKEUP but to trump supporters he’s the manliest man ever just beggers belief 

A bone spurred manliest man, please! 

[Morch]

He's not quite done yet....

 

Trump: Hezbollah ‘very smart,’ Defense Minister Gallant is a ‘jerk’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-hezbollah-very-smart-defense-minister-gallant-is-a-jerk/

 

[SunsetT]

On 10/9/2023 at 8:25 AM, Social Media said:

Former President Trump said Sunday that Hamas’s attacks on Israel and the Russia-Ukraine war would “never have happened” if he were president.

“THE HORRIBLE ATTACK ON ISRAEL, MUCH LIKE THE ATTACK ON UKRAINE, WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF I WERE PRESIDENT – ZERO CHANCE!” Trump wrote Sunday in a Truth Social post.

 

Trump’s comments come one day after Hamas, the militant and political group that rules Gaza, launched the largest attack on Israel in decades early Saturday. Forces invaded multiple Israeli towns by land, sea and air and launched a barrage of rocket fire in some parts of the country.

More than 1,100 people on both sides have died in the violence, while thousands of others were left injured.

Hamas forces also captured multiple Israeli soldiers and civilians, according to The Associated Press (AP).

Trump has lauded his own record helping Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during his time in the White House, pointing to policy actions like support of Israel’s claim to Golan Heights as well as his administration’s recognition of Jerusalem as the country’s capital and relocation of the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

The moving of the embassy was seen as a risk to the tensions in the region that went against years of U.S. policy to avoid establishing an embassy in the contested city, according to The Washington Post.

On the day the U.S. Embassy opened in Jerusalem in May of 2018, dozens of Palestinians were killed by Israeli soldiers during mass protests at the boundary fence with Gaza.

 

The Trump administration later blamed Hamas for the deaths, which marked the deadliest day there since a war between Hamas and Israel in 2014.

Trump and Netanyahu shared a generally positive relationship during Trump’s time in the White House, though tensions flared up towards the end of his administration in 2020.

In the months that followed the 2020 election, Trump reportedly blasted the Israeli leader, accusing him of disloyalty for his congratulatory message to President Biden.

 

And late last year, Netanyahu railed against Trump’s dinner with white supremacist Nick Fuentes and Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West, calling it “wrong and misplaced.”

While speaking at an event in Waterloo, Iowa, on Saturday, Trump spoke on Hamas’s attacks, claiming they are the result of the U.S. being seen as “weak and ineffective.”

“The Israeli attack was made because we are perceived as being weak and ineffective and with a really weak leader,” Trump said in an apparent swipe at President Biden.

 

Biden was quick to offer his unwavering support to Israel in the hours following the attacks, telling Netanyahu the U.S. is prepared to offer “all appropriate means of support” to Israel.

On Sunday, Biden informed Netanyahu that “additional assistance” was on its way to the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), which is expected to arrive in the coming days.

Trump’s latest comments on the Russia-Ukraine war do not come as much of a surprise, as the former president has repeatedly claimed Russian President Vladimir Putin “would have never gone into Ukraine” if Trump were president.

 

Pointing to his seemingly positive relationship with Putin, Trump in August said he was the “apple of his [Putin’s] eye.”

 

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So says the Undisputed World Champion Number One Bona Fide 5 Star Liar.

[rudi49jr]

This was never about Israel or Hamas or whatever, this was about Trump himself. Because for Trump, EVERYTHING is always about Trump. The thin skinned crybaby man child’s ego got hurt, so he lashed out, as per usual. And tens of millions of people in the USA still see this douche as their new messiah. 

 

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-attacks-israel-and-calls-them-weak-they-let-us-down

[Morch]

Since there are a lot of 'hateful 8' references.....

 

Quentin Tarantino Supports Soldiers at Base in Southern Israel

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/quentin-tarantino-supports-soldiers-at-base-in-southern-israel/ar-AA1ibwQP

Edited October 14, 2023 by Morch

[Morch]

Attention Trump fans! We are changing course! I repeat, we are changing course!

 

Trump backpedals Netanyahu criticism after angry reaction to Israel remarks

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-backpedals-netanyahu-criticism-after-angry-reaction-to-israel-remarks/ar-AA1ibbYk

 

As said earlier, Trump is this conflict's comedy relief.

 

 

[nauseus]

44 minutes ago, Morch said:

Attention Trump fans! We are changing course! I repeat, we are changing course!

 

Trump backpedals Netanyahu criticism after angry reaction to Israel remarks

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-backpedals-netanyahu-criticism-after-angry-reaction-to-israel-remarks/ar-AA1ibbYk

 

As said earlier, Trump is this conflict's comedy relief.

 

 

Looks more like someone stole his bicycle.

[NextG]

On 10/10/2023 at 5:34 PM, illisdean said:

“Trump pulled out of the JCPOA in May 2017 and there was no war. Trump sanctioned the Tehran regime into penury and instead of war, Iranian demonstrators took to the streets to protest against those who’d squandered the country’s wealth by funding international terror.”

Then Trump popped Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani and was warned there would be repercussions but there was none, no wars and what followed was the Abraham Accords and peace was breaking out all over the ME.

Trump has everything under control while in office. Biden came in, reinstated the JCPOE, refused to enforce sanctions and Iran went from 400,000 B/pd oil sales under Trump to >3M b/pd, accrued much greater wealth, all the while inching very close to a nuke, ALL on Biden’s failed watch. Then he releases $6B of fungible funds to Iran last week and now the ME is about to go into melt-down mode.

 

Say what you will, bash ole Trump but he runs circles around the demented and corrupt fool in the WH who's too busy sleeping to even mention the dead US citizens in the hamas terror attacks. Worst and most useless, incapable imbecile to ever hold office in America.

 

 

Yeah, about that…

 

 

 

Perhaps we should talk about the billions handed to Jared…