Popular Post webfact Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 The Royal Thai Navy (RTN) has decided to switch from procuring a submarine from China to a frigate, estimated to cost 17 billion baht compared to the S26T Yuan-class submarine’s price tag of 13.5 billion, Defence Minister Sutin Klungsang said yesterday (Friday). Thailand had agreed to procure two S26T Yuan-class submarines, to be equipped with German-made engines, from China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company (CSOC). An unresolved issue over the submarine’s engine, with Germany refusing to supply China with the technology, has, however, delayed the procurement. Sutin said that the RTN and the Defence Ministry have agreed that the submarine procurement must be reviewed, based on the worthiness of the project vis-à-vis its price tag. The defence minister said that Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin raised the issue with his Chinese counterpart during his visit to China earlier this week and China has agreed to consider the RTN’s plan to switch from submarine to frigate, said Sutin, adding that the submarine procurement project has not been scrapped per se. The defence minister said he believes the procurement deal could be concluded next month. Full story: Thai PBS 2023-10-21 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe 1 2 1 3 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nglodnig Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) Remember, frigates aren't supposed to go UNDER the water. Edited October 20, 2023 by nglodnig 2 1 2 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, webfact said: estimated to cost 17 billion baht compared to the S26T Yuan-class submarine’s price tag of 13.5 billion Yes! Kaching, kaching! 💰 4 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elkski Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 So stupid 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drgoon Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) Another waste of money and ego pampering. What I see is China consolidating a relationship with Thailand's military for the coming dramas with China's advance through the South China Sea and emerging tensions again with the Philippines. Added to this is the US strengthening it's military relationship with the Philippines creating 'provocative tensions' as said by China. And good on Germany not giving access to engines. Edited October 20, 2023 by drgoon 15 1 1 9 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ben Zioner Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Elkski said: So stupid Nope, greed, IMHO someone got paid some massive commission, things dragged on, and then came a new government. 7 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RanongCat Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 Nice "face" save all round and more practical at least. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mfd101 Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 But our strategic circumstances have changed. The threats are all superficial now. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 So now it becomes clear that a submarine is not essential to the mission. And the MoD/RTN says surface ships can fulfill the mission. from the linked article... Sutin said that the RTN and the Defence Ministry have agreed that the submarine procurement must be reviewed, based on the worthiness of the project vis-à-vis its price tag. This one will go down - not literally - in history as the biggest folly for the Thai military-idiocy complex. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Foxx Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 hours ago, nglodnig said: Remember, frigates aren't supposed to go UNDER the water. Chinese ones do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_frigate_Yuyuen 1 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gsxrnz Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 They be like "Ah frig-it, we'll get a frigate instead". 1 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, RanongCat said: Nice "face" save all round and more practical at least. Comes with a way higher price tag. Purchasing a bunch of smaller vessels, and aerial assets at a lower cost would make a better return on investment. 1 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Some of the Thai public and posters on this forum were long complaining about the submarine deal and associated costs. Turns out that the old saying 'careful what you wish for' got something to it. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Celsius Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 Farang tax pay for it 1 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebell Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Celsius said: Farang tax pay for it I'm already looking to Laos if this happens. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BKKBike09 Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Morch said: Comes with a way higher price tag. Purchasing a bunch of smaller vessels, and aerial assets at a lower cost would make a better return on investment. Yep. They could allocate the budget for local-build (Bangkok Dock) of a couple more OPV, which ran around THB 5-6 billion each. They're so desperate to support the local economy it seems stupid to give the money to an overseas builder, full stop. Without knowing the mission requirements it's difficult to say why they want a frigate: a war-fighting vessel as opposed to something optimised for maritime patrol / interdiction. If they do buy a frigate I suspect it will probably end up running the same mission profiles as the OPV anyway. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaddyWarbucks Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 What happened, did they get spooked by the recent Chinese submarine disaster that claimed fifty-five lives? 1 3 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBike09 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said: Without knowing the mission requirements it's difficult to say why they want a frigate: a war-fighting vessel as opposed to something optimised for maritime patrol / interdiction. If they do buy a frigate I suspect it will probably end up running the same mission profiles as the OPV anyway. According to the news source that cannot be named: The navy came up with two proposals. One is to buy a frigate that can fight against submarines, and the other is to purchase an offshore patrol vessel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khunjeff Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 So this isn't about an actual military need, but just a desire to buy something...anything...? 4 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post topt Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, khunjeff said: So this isn't about an actual military need, but just a desire to buy something...anything...? Certainly comes across like that. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Meh what's another mere 3.5 billion baht between friends. is it to replace the overloaded one they sank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sambum Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 Can you do U Turns in a frigate? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 hours ago, RanongCat said: Nice "face" save all round and more practical at least. And more Baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Is this to replace the frigate that sank in the tragedy off Sattahip? Did we ever get a reason why it sank? I imagine it's easier to steer a frigate (in daylight anyway) because you can see all around you, whereas in a submarine there are no windows to look out of, so it might be a bit risky. Edited October 21, 2023 by retarius 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brianthainess Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 4 hours ago, bamnutsak said: based on the worthiness of the project Should read the worthlessness of the project init. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbeth Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 with the submarine tender already delivered and submarine dock already built and deep channels dredged for sub operation at the base, they'd probably put in a requisition to buy the subs later, with the updated spec to chinese engine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LALes Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I hear there are a few old, Roman, slave galleys available at a good price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, digbeth said: with the submarine tender already delivered and submarine dock already built and deep channels dredged for sub operation at the base, they'd probably put in a requisition to buy the subs later, with the updated spec to chinese engine From the original article: Quote adding that the submarine procurement project has not been scrapped per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil2407 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I would have thought a frigate makes more sense but also thought would be cheaper than a sub depending on size comparison (no naval expert, so don't know!) Wonder if they'll try German engines for that as well 555! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The article mentions that Quote The defence minister said he believes the procurement deal could be concluded next month That's the money end. Any indication when delivery will take place? I doubt it's an off-the-shelf thing, so the schedule is probably delayed once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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