3 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

Your human shields claim has been debunked several times - I did it in my response to your bullet points earlier.

You are a racist. Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian ones to you.

I think all lives are equal.

 

It was not 'debunked'. You keep saying that about stuff, but it is not true. Just saying 'debunked' doesn't make it so. You certainly did not 'debunk' anything earlier.

 

Oh, and here comes the 'racist' card, just when you run out of nonsense points and can't defend your arguments.

 

No, you do not think all lives are equal. You do not care much about Palestinians being led to the slaughter by their own leadership. Your sole interest in this is the propaganda value it represents vs. Israel. In this, you're not unlike the Hamas leaders.

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Human shields is not an excuse to kill them. Doing so is a war crime. 3 to 1 civilians killed for every Hamas militant is not proportionate.

 

@ozimoron

 

That's what you often post here. It's still wrong. It is not necessarily a war crime, it is actually condoned under certain circumstances.

This was pointed out and explained, in detail, numerous times. Your persistence won't change facts.

3 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

 

The amazing thing, is that when they want to take someone out in Lebanon, they use guided, strategic missiles that only killed the intended targets.

 

With Gaza, they are just wiping everyone out. That's why their hostages are being killed when coming out in the open, naked and waving a white flag while shouting in Hebrew.

 

No one can justify the murder of almost 25,000 Palestinians, almost half of which are kids. over 70% women and children. Over 100 journalists dead. Where is the humanity from the supporters of Israels assault on the population? Where is the condemnation, the sympathy?

 

More nonsense.

 

What 'strategic missile'? Do you even know what you're talking about?

 

If Israel wished to 'wipe everyone out' in the Gaza Strip, casualty lists would be way longer.

 

A whole lot of these 25,000 Palestinians are Hamas men. You lumping them all together for greater effect doesn't change facts, but highlights your dishonesty.

 

 

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed this is what the topic is about:

 

Thai government resists Israeli embassy’s call for hostage release in Gaza

On 1/19/2024 at 7:29 PM, Brickleberry said:

Actually no, you can't even call it a war. Gaza is (and has been - including the West Bank) an occupied territory for decades. Wars are fought between nation states with standing armies. Gaza is an occupied and controlled territory. Israel even controls the birth records!

 

People talk about Israel leaving Gaza in 2006, but that is just ignorant of the situation. They control the air, electricity, water, airwaves, everything going in and out of Gaza etc.

 

I listen to Jewish & prominent Israeli professors and journalists to get the real inside scoop. Folks like Gideon Levy and Norman Finklestien. Educate yourselves. When these world famous experts say it is a genocide, and call Israel an occupying power in the west bank and Gaza - as do all international aid bodies, the UN, ICC & ICJ also all agree on this. Moving the prison guards to the perimeter of the prison is still a prison.

Gaza is LITERALLY NOT an occupied territory.  Israelis lived in a tiny community in Gaza and were forcibly removed by Israel.

 

You know who else controls access to Gaza?  Egypt.  You're apparently unaware that Gaza borders two sovereign states.  Try rephrasing all of your spew to include Egypt as well.

 

YOU'RE telling us to "educate ourselves"?  That's pretty ironic coming from someone who posts what you post.

34 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Gaza is LITERALLY NOT an occupied territory.  Israelis lived in a tiny community in Gaza and were forcibly removed by Israel.

 

You know who else controls access to Gaza?  Egypt.  You're apparently unaware that Gaza borders two sovereign states.  Try rephrasing all of your spew to include Egypt as well.

 

YOU'RE telling us to "educate ourselves"?  That's pretty ironic coming from someone who posts what you post.

 

Just google it, even the US agrees that it is occupied. I won't be commenting anymore on this thread.

 

 

1 hour ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Just google it, even the US agrees that it is occupied. I won't be commenting anymore on this thread.

 

 

Yes and we all know you always support what the U.S. state department says about Israel. 

 

2 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Just google it, even the US agrees that it is occupied. I won't be commenting anymore on this thread.

That's probably a good idea, you're getting your butt kicked.  This doesn't seem to be your subject.

 

Israel controlling its border with Hamas/Gaza, is not occupying Gaza, neither is its sea blockade to prevent Hamas from being supplied with ever-deadlier weapons by Iran.  Egypt controlling its border with Hamas/Gaza, is not occupying Gaza.

 

"Occupied Territories" is a political term.  If I'm not actually in your house or on your property, I'm not occupying either one. 

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

That's probably a good idea, you're getting your butt kicked.  This doesn't seem to be your subject.

 

Israel controlling its border with Hamas/Gaza, is not occupying Gaza, neither is its sea blockade to prevent Hamas from being supplied with ever-deadlier weapons by Iran.  Egypt controlling its border with Hamas/Gaza, is not occupying Gaza.

 

"Occupied Territories" is a political term.  If I'm not actually in your house or on your property, I'm not occupying either one. 

 

I quite clearly won!

 

It is not a political term, it is a legal one. Much like genocide and ethnic cleansing, they are legal questions that have been, and are currently being asked. There is so much proof and validation from international law. Your Israel talking points are meaningless.

 

All international agencies, and most governments around the world - including Israel's biggest supporter the US government, all agree that under international law, Gaza is occupied. Trying to simplify it into controlling borders and a sea blockade is ludicrous. That is not what is going on, and if you don't know the situation on the ground, you should not be commenting so brazenly against all the evidence.

 

I have the law on my side, the UN, Amnesty International, Doctors without borders, the ICJ the ICC, Israels OWN supreme court all agree that it is occupied. You don't have anything, not a single reference.

 

Facts are important. Goodbye.

30 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

I quite clearly won!

 

It is not a political term, it is a legal one. Much like genocide and ethnic cleansing, they are legal questions that have been, and are currently being asked. There is so much proof and validation from international law. Your Israel talking points are meaningless.

 

All international agencies, and most governments around the world - including Israel's biggest supporter the US government, all agree that under international law, Gaza is occupied. Trying to simplify it into controlling borders and a sea blockade is ludicrous. That is not what is going on, and if you don't know the situation on the ground, you should not be commenting so brazenly against all the evidence.

 

I have the law on my side, the UN, Amnesty International, Doctors without borders, the ICJ the ICC, Israels OWN supreme court all agree that it is occupied. You don't have anything, not a single reference.

 

Facts are important. Goodbye.

 

You are a WINNER, there there.

 

As for 'goodbye' - you can't be trusted, already said you won't be commenting here anymore.

On 1/20/2024 at 3:43 PM, Brickleberry said:

 

The amazing thing, is that when they want to take someone out in Lebanon, they use guided, strategic missiles that only killed the intended targets.

 

With Gaza, they are just wiping everyone out. That's why their hostages are being killed when coming out in the open, naked and waving a white flag while shouting in Hebrew.

 

No one can justify the murder of almost 25,000 Palestinians, almost half of which are kids. over 70% women and children. Over 100 journalists dead. Where is the humanity from the supporters of Israels assault on the population? Where is the condemnation, the sympathy?

ALL casualty figures coming out of Gaza are issued by Hamas - a terrorist organisation but you believe them all!!    Do they ever say how many terrorists were killed??   No!  They consider everyone in Gaza a civilian.   Doesn't the proportion of women & children allegedly killed strike you as strange??   Why aren't Hamas protecting their women & children better??   Maybe they could have built 'safe rooms', air-raid shelters, just as the Israeli's had to do to protect their civilians?    No!   Hamas couldn't give a hoot about any deaths - they actually love publishing them, as it it turns opinion against Israel.   I would suggest we wait until the fighting is over and then the casualty toll might become clearer.    The 'fog of war' is still dense there.

16 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

 

I quite clearly won!

 

It is not a political term, it is a legal one. Much like genocide and ethnic cleansing, they are legal questions that have been, and are currently being asked. There is so much proof and validation from international law. Your Israel talking points are meaningless.

 

All international agencies, and most governments around the world - including Israel's biggest supporter the US government, all agree that under international law, Gaza is occupied. Trying to simplify it into controlling borders and a sea blockade is ludicrous. That is not what is going on, and if you don't know the situation on the ground, you should not be commenting so brazenly against all the evidence.

 

I have the law on my side, the UN, Amnesty International, Doctors without borders, the ICJ the ICC, Israels OWN supreme court all agree that it is occupied. You don't have anything, not a single reference.

 

Facts are important. Goodbye.

Political/legal have the exact same meaning in this context.

 

There's nothing "ludicrous" about describing what is ACTUALLY happening, versus the sweaty, hysterical claims of those who are badly informed and are probably not arguing in good faith to begin with.  Again -- if Israel has been "occupying" Gaza for all these years (without a single Israeli in Gaza!!!) then so has Egypt.

 

I love the Egypt side of this, as 1) most pro-Hamas agitators read only leftwing websites so have no idea that Gaza shares two borders and 2) these same people NEVER respond (as you haven't) to explain the curious fact that it's not just those crafty Jews who don't want Gazans on their land, it's Egypt.  It's also Jordan.  And Kuwait.  And Lebanon.  All of the places where Palestinians have made themselves unwelcome due to their unrelenting love of violence.

 

The entire Arab world is willing to use the Palestinians as a stick to beat Israel, but literally NOT ONE COUNTRY wants Palestinians within their borders.  It ALWAYS ends badly.  Have you really never asked yourself why that is?

16 hours ago, Morch said:

 

You are a WINNER, there there.

 

As for 'goodbye' - you can't be trusted, already said you won't be commenting here anymore.

Participation trophy for Brickleberry!  And a cookie too as we send him off for his nap.

On 1/17/2024 at 5:22 PM, Jingthing said:

Sure thing.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

Wikepedia?  I thought only reliable sources allowed not those you can write yourself lol!

1 hour ago, ThaiFelix said:

Wikepedia?  I thought only reliable sources allowed not those you can write yourself lol!

 

I thought only lame posters made such comments about Wikipedia.

There are sources referenced within.

As for 'write yourself', here's a challenge - go and do some major bogus editing on that page, or a related one. Try it. See how it goes.

On 1/19/2024 at 10:48 PM, Jingthing said:

Israel has nor occupied Gaza since 2015. Words have meanings. The west bank is occupied.

I think you made a typing error.    Israel hasn't occupied Gaza since 2005.   Re the West Bank - if you think that Israel has occupied it since 1967, who do you think occupied it between 1948 - 1967??   It was Jordan.   It wasn't Palestine then - it was Jordan!!   The West Bank was originally called Judea & Samaria & 'occupied' by Jews in those days.

1 minute ago, Greenhill said:

I think you made a typing error.    Israel hasn't occupied Gaza since 2005.   Re the West Bank - if you think that Israel has occupied it since 1967, who do you think occupied it between 1948 - 1967??   It was Jordan.   It wasn't Palestine then - it was Jordan!!   The West Bank was originally called Judea & Samaria & 'occupied' by Jews in those days.

I did. Long ago corrected if you had read the thread. Bye.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I did. Long ago corrected if you had read the thread. Bye.

So sorry that I missed it!!  Bye.

3 minutes ago, Greenhill said:

So sorry that I missed it!!  Bye.

No worries.