Popular Post heybruce Posted February 8 Popular Post Share Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: No, you did not explain it, and I said as much at the time. You seem to think the numbers are all constant, and that it's a zero-sum game. Typical one stage thinking. Yes, if only the left had more money, it would be utopia. What part of taking money from extremely wealthy people and spending it on programs that help the less well off needs to be explained to you? I "seem to think"? I understand that the economy is not a zero sum game. I also understand that providing education, health care, day care and other programs that benefit those who need it most makes them more productive. I explained how income ratios work. I asked you to challenge anything I posted, not in vague general terms but with specific data and examples. You failed to do so. You are like a three year old that responds to every explanation with "Why?". You are trolling. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 32 minutes ago, heybruce said: News flash: Some of us read the links that we post, and even read the links of posts we reply to. The last part can be fun, I sometimes find links posted in support of a position actually decisively undermine it. Like your link. 32 minutes ago, heybruce said: Since you don't read unless things are made very short and simple and put right in front of you: I am happy to read and respond to anything you write. You can make it long and complex, it's fine. 32 minutes ago, heybruce said: Biden's two key tax proposals are a minimum 20% tax on the very rich, $100 million or more, Not so. From your link: "A key part of Biden's new economic policy agenda is a billionaire's tax, which would set a minimum tax for the wealthiest Americans, the White House said. The Biden administration has offered scant details about the proposal, but it appears to closely resemble a policy that Biden put forward last March. At that time, he called for a tax rate of at least 20% on Americans who bring in at least $100 million per year." So, all it said was Biden wants to tax the rich, and it's just the author guessing what the plan might be. It goes on to say how Biden is a capitalist, tells a few lies about the tax code and then claims Biden thinks everyone (except apparently Hunter) should pay their fair share. 32 minutes ago, heybruce said: ...and a tax increase on share buybacks. Which will likely cost working class Americans a lot more than it will billionaires. Then the go on to say that the greedy Republicans will kill it anyway. The article is a puff-piece to make Biden look like he cares about working family's. 32 minutes ago, heybruce said: My biggest reservation about it is the same reservation I have about all adjustments to the tax system; I don't think tweaking a ridiculously complicated system is good enough, I think it needs a massive overhaul. However that is off-topic. I'm with you on that brother. 32 minutes ago, heybruce said: You may resume your trolling. You can continue making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 11 minutes ago, heybruce said: What part of taking money from extremely wealthy people and spending it on programs that help the less well off needs to be explained to you? The part that shows how throwing money at the poor helps them. 11 minutes ago, heybruce said: I "seem to think"? I understand that the economy is not a zero sum game. I also understand that providing education, health care, day care and other programs that benefit those who need it most makes them more productive. I explained how income ratios work. I asked you to challenge anything I posted, not in vague general terms but with specific data and examples. You failed to do so. So education, healthcare, daycare would all be much better if only they had more money? 11 minutes ago, heybruce said: You are like a three year old that responds to every explanation with "Why?". You are trolling. And you are like someone that can only come up with "because" for an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Which will likely cost working class Americans a lot more than it will billionaires. Where did you pull that from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Where did you pull that from? Biden proposes higher taxes for the rich. Here's how they work. - ABC News (go.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 52 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Like your link. I am happy to read and respond to anything you write. You can make it long and complex, it's fine. Not so. From your link: "A key part of Biden's new economic policy agenda is a billionaire's tax, which would set a minimum tax for the wealthiest Americans, the White House said. The Biden administration has offered scant details about the proposal, but it appears to closely resemble a policy that Biden put forward last March. At that time, he called for a tax rate of at least 20% on Americans who bring in at least $100 million per year." So, all it said was Biden wants to tax the rich, and it's just the author guessing what the plan might be. It goes on to say how Biden is a capitalist, tells a few lies about the tax code and then claims Biden thinks everyone (except apparently Hunter) should pay their fair share. Which will likely cost working class Americans a lot more than it will billionaires. Then the go on to say that the greedy Republicans will kill it anyway. The article is a puff-piece to make Biden look like he cares about working family's. I'm with you on that brother. You can continue making stuff up. You asked for Biden's tax plan, I provided a link that explained his plans. Getting you to read the link was a challenge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 53 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: The part that shows how throwing money at the poor helps them. So education, healthcare, daycare would all be much better if only they had more money? And you are like someone that can only come up with "because" for an answer. No where did I propose throwing money at the poor. Yes, especially where there is no healthcare, daycare or early childhood education. No, I provide explanations which you deny are explanations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Biden proposes higher taxes for the rich. Here's how they work. - ABC News (go.com) Identify the part that states the tax would cost working class Americans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 4 minutes ago, heybruce said: You asked for Biden's tax plan, I provided a link that explained his plans. Getting you to read the link was a challenge. I read it when you posted the link, and no, as I showed in my post it did not explain the plan. Even if you did not read it carefully enough to understand it, you should have seen where I showed it did not. I think it is deceitfully of you to claim it "explained his plans" when clearly it does not, unless the plan is "tax the rich" which is what every lefty wants to do. “So long as the gap is smaller, they’d rather have the poor poorer.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 4 minutes ago, heybruce said: No where did I propose throwing money at the poor. Yes, especially where there is no healthcare, daycare or early childhood education. No, I provide explanations which you deny are explanations. Where is there no education? Where is there no healthcare? Where is there no early childhood education? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 5 minutes ago, heybruce said: Identify the part that states the tax would cost working class Americans. Identify the part where it states how it will help the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 5 hours ago, Jingthing said: You're neither genuine nor curious. Yeah I am. Like I’ve said to my friends “I literally know nobody who likes Biden”…. Which was obvious before he got elected btw. So, can I take it you do not approve of his presidency? I don’t know why you think I have ulterior motives. I think my only motive is to know if you actually like him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Biden proposes higher taxes for the rich. Here's how they work. - ABC News (go.com) Which makes no statement backing your assertion ‘Which will likely cost working class Americans a lot more than it will billionaires.’ Your claim, now back it up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Which makes no statement backing your assertion ‘Which will likely cost working class Americans a lot more than it will billionaires.’ Your claim, now back it up. How Equitable Wealth Outcomes Could Create a Resilient, Larger Economy (stlouisfed.org) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 27 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said: Yeah I am. Like I’ve said to my friends “I literally know nobody who likes Biden”…. Which was obvious before he got elected btw. So, can I take it you do not approve of his presidency? I don’t know why you think I have ulterior motives. I think my only motive is to know if you actually like him or not. Sure I like him. I don't love him. I don't worship him. Trump maga is a fascist cult of personality. Biden is a normal president. I'll take normal over Trump insanity any day of the week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 The best predictor of US presidents is leaning heavily towards Joe Biden! Better than even late polls. He hasn't made his official pick yet but it's looking very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 18 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Sure I like him. I don't love him. I don't worship him. Trump maga is a fascist cult of personality. Biden is a normal president. I'll take normal over Trump insanity any day of the week. Well it’s good to hear someone actually likes him I suppose. I cant find anyone. I mean really if you try to find people who support biden publicly it’s a long road to hoe to find one. i think he’s very far from a “normal” president, but I’ll let others decide for themselves. He’s quite preposterously abnormal actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said: Well it’s good to hear someone actually likes him I suppose. I cant find anyone. I mean really if you try to find people who support biden publicly it’s a long road to hoe to find one. i think he’s very far from a “normal” president, but I’ll let others decide for themselves. He’s quite preposterously abnormal actually. You're in a bubble. Normal in that he understands an American president isn't a King or dictator. Edited February 8 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: You're in a bubble. Thank god for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 56 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: I read it when you posted the link, and no, as I showed in my post it did not explain the plan. Even if you did not read it carefully enough to understand it, you should have seen where I showed it did not. I think it is deceitfully of you to claim it "explained his plans" when clearly it does not, unless the plan is "tax the rich" which is what every lefty wants to do. “So long as the gap is smaller, they’d rather have the poor poorer.” The article explains the top level plan. It does not go into detail. The last quote must be yours, it certainly isn't mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Robert Paulson said: Thank god for that Yeah, every leftist on here loves, or at least likes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 57 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Where is there no education? Where is there no healthcare? Where is there no early childhood education? Replying to posts with questions you can easily answer yourself is trolling. I'm done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Yellowtail said: Yeah, every leftist on here loves, or at least likes him. Leftists like Liz Cheney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Yeah, every leftist on here loves, or at least likes him. I wonder what exactly would have to happen to change their minds. I mean, it’s all happened already 😂 When people do not have to live in the United States directly under his policies I suppose it isn’t as bad. That’s the only thing I can think of that would make him likable by expats Edited February 8 by Robert Paulson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 24 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Sure I like him. I don't love him. I don't worship him. Trump maga is a fascist cult of personality. Biden is a normal president. I'll take normal over Trump insanity any day of the week. Is this really what passes for a "normal" president nowadays? The man is senile and needs to be at home getting looked after by a nurse, not running a country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: How Equitable Wealth Outcomes Could Create a Resilient, Larger Economy (stlouisfed.org) While that’s an interesting link it doesn’t provide any back up whatsoever to your claim. Do you want to have another go or shall we accept you are making stuff up? Edited February 8 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 58 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Identify the part where it states how it will help the poor. Explain the part where taxing share buybacks "Which will likely cost working class Americans a lot more than it will billionaires." That's what you posted, without any source or explanation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 46 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: How Equitable Wealth Outcomes Could Create a Resilient, Larger Economy (stlouisfed.org) This from someone who stated he doesn't read links that don't come with a summary. Where in that link does it support your claim that taxing share buybacks ‘Which will likely cost working class Americans a lot more than it will billionaires.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 8 Popular Post Share Posted February 8 10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Yeah, every leftist on here loves, or at least likes him. No. But he isn't a threat to democracy and rule of law like Trump is. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 8 Popular Post Share Posted February 8 9 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said: I wonder what exactly would have to happen to change their minds. I mean, it’s all happened already 😂 Denying a legitimate election outcome and egging on a mob to storm the Capitol might do it. That's because Biden supporters have standards and understand there are lines that must not be crossed. Unlike Trump supporters. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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