8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Are you really that ill informed about the economic performance of Republican administrations for the last forty years?

 

Just the 40?

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If you take out the bad parts, Trump looks pretty good.

If you take out the bad parts, Trump looks pretty good invisible!

1 hour ago, morrobay said:

 

Maybe you should understand why the "data" from some sources agrees with your agenda. So try reading the entire paper for your edification https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/16/is-crime-going-down-or-have-democrat-run-cities-just-given-up-on-reporting-it/

An opinion piece about data is not the same as data.

 

How about FBI data?

 

All you are saying now is the official data doesn't back you up.

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If you take out the bad parts, Trump looks pretty good.

If you take out the bad parts, Trump looks pretty good invisible!

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

You do know that he won ONLY the Nevada democratic party primary in a close vote because he ran unopposed... right?

https://silverstateelection.nv.gov/nvother/index.shtml

 

As usual,   you are wrong. Joe Biden took 89% in a crowded field.

 

Not "close" and not "unopposed".

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

https://silverstateelection.nv.gov/nvother/index.shtml

 

As usual,   you are wrong. Joe Biden took 89% in a crowded field.

 

Not "close" and not "unopposed".

The field was crowded with "none of these candidates" and a woman who pledged her support to joe but wanted to show some sort of opposition... 

Candidate	%	Votes	Pledged Delegates
Projected Winner
Joe BidenDemocratic, Incumbent	89.3%	98,59792,180 ahead	36
None of these candidatesDemocratic	5.8%	6,417
Marianne WilliamsonDemocratic	2.9%	3,181	0

 

In the last 24 hours, I have read some pretty crazy posts from Trump fans:

 

"Trump was charged with possession of classified documents, but that shouldn't be a crime".   I am sure Reality Winner would agree.

 

"Biden and Trump both had classified documents. It doesn't matter that Biden gave them back as soon as they were discovered, and Trump hid his documents and wouldn't give them back".

 

These are not great criminal defenses.

 

Nor are these useful for winning independent voters.

 

 

13 hours ago, uttradit said:

Covid tanked the economy. You claim to be independent but I see that's false. Stock market rose more pa under Trump prior to covid. Inflation was much lower.

 

 

Trump was partially responsible for Covid-19 tanking the economy. And for inflation. Research why tariffs are inflationary. Use reliable sites only. Definitely not faux news

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Covid tanked the economy. How many times do we have to hear this inane rubbish?

Our leaders who denied it and vaccines greatly contributed to the mess. Impossible to deny the facts.

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

You do know that he won ONLY the Nevada democratic party primary in a close vote because he ran unopposed... right?

Biden ran unopposed is a reflection of the party discipline, cohesiveness and a clear strategy as opposed to the divided, in-fighting and rigid strategy of the Rep party. Less than half of Republican registered voters are affiliated to the Maga movement and it show in the New Hampshire and Iowa primaries. Good reason for Biden to be optimistic for the Nov election.

The Trump fans can't sense how this year is going to proceed. One hit after another on Trump's chances, as the Dems coalesce around Joe Biden.

 

If Biden wins, everyone knows he will depart after his 2nd term ends.

 

If Trump wins, he's going to try to be president for life. Everyone understands that, which is one of the reasons that Trump will lose.

 

20 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Trump was partially responsible for Covid-19 tanking the economy. And for inflation. Research why tariffs are inflationary. Use reliable sites only. Definitely not faux news

Pitch that to the American public and see how it flies.  The polls suggest it is not a winning strategy. With housing and food costs both up in the neighborhood of 30% under Biden, the economic argument is not going anywhere. 

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The Trump fans can't sense how this year is going to proceed. One hit after another on Trump's chances, as the Dems coalesce around Joe Biden.

 

If Biden wins, everyone knows he will depart after his 2nd term ends.

 

If Trump wins, he's going to try to be president for life. Everyone understands that, which is one of the reasons that Trump will lose.

 

In both their cases, if they even survive the next four years it would be a shock. "President for life" is the same as president for one term.  Unless you think Trump is some kind of cyborg superman, and not the fat lazy burger slurper as he is so often portrayedhere.

Amazing anyone supports this guy.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/05/politics/where-trumps-notable-cases-stand/index.html

 

With 91 criminal charges brought against Donald Trump last year in four different cases and a looming verdict in a civil case that threatens his business empire, the former president must contend with both the campaign trail and the courtroom in a way that’s never been seen in American politics.

12 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Pitch that to the American public and see how it flies.  The polls suggest it is not a winning strategy. With housing and food costs both up in the neighborhood of 30% under Biden, the economic argument is not going anywhere. 

Sadly. The American public isn't that smart. Look at all the fake news they fall for.

15 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

In both their cases, if they even survive the next four years it would be a shock. "President for life" is the same as president for one term.  Unless you think Trump is some kind of cyborg superman, and not the fat lazy burger slurper as he is so often portrayedhere.

Fact. Trump is fat. But definitely not lazy. Definitely a grifter.

21 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Amazing anyone supports this guy.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/05/politics/where-trumps-notable-cases-stand/index.html

 

With 91 criminal charges brought against Donald Trump last year in four different cases and a looming verdict in a civil case that threatens his business empire, the former president must contend with both the campaign trail and the courtroom in a way that’s never been seen in American politics.

If the Democrats had nominated almost anyone except Biden (and perhaps Harris), the race wouldn't be close. Sad to say but true- Gov. Newsom would have kicked Trump's ass in an election.

 

GOP is the same. Almost anyone but Trump would easily have beaten Biden.  But instead we get Jurassic Election. 

29 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Pitch that to the American public and see how it flies.  The polls suggest it is not a winning strategy. With housing and food costs both up in the neighborhood of 30% under Biden, the economic argument is not going anywhere. 

I don't know about that. My family in USA are very prosperous. Vacations world wide, new EV cars, improved property value. In general very much enjoying earned wealth themselves. But your insight comes from where exactly? Please justify yourself dismal outlook. Try doing it without parroting Fox News.

Add the outlook from consumer confidence.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/consumer-confidence-surges-to-the-highest-level-in-two-years/ar-BB1hv7UM

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

If the Democrats had nominated almost anyone except Biden (and perhaps Harris), the race wouldn't be close. Sad to say but true- Gov. Newsom would have kicked Trump's ass in an election.

 

GOP is the same. Almost anyone but Trump would easily have beaten Biden.  But instead we get Jurassic Election. 

Feels a lot like your getting the big boot, sort of?

21 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Quick question. If it's such a dream life why is he such an incredibly miserable man? He wakes up in the morning trying to figure out who he can hate, what battles he can wage, and how he can display his misery in an ostentatious fashion.

 

That's just who the man is, and it doesn't look like much fun to me. I would not want to be Don Don. 

Prove you are in the room when he wakes up to know that.

 

I don't think he is miserable. If he is a narcissist as so many of your side claim, he must be lovin' the media attention. 

Also, he gets to laugh at all the Trump haters with TDS melting down at everything he says. He could say that he has the power to levitate to the moon and likely he's get the inevitable reaction of those that take everything he says as evidence he is in league with Satan.

2 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Amazing anyone supports this guy.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/05/politics/where-trumps-notable-cases-stand/index.html

 

With 91 criminal charges brought against Donald Trump last year in four different cases and a looming verdict in a civil case that threatens his business empire, the former president must contend with both the campaign trail and the courtroom in a way that’s never been seen in American politics.

IMO they support him BECAUSE he has 91 court cases against him. His supporters are not so dumb they can't see a weaponised judicial system when it's so blatant.

Had the Dems not tried to use the courts to destroy him, likely he'd never have got any support beyond his base, and gone away long ago.

 

 

IMO they need Trump as Biden wouldn't last 5 minutes against a competent politician ( even in in his own party ), as they think only Biden can beat Trump.

If Biden actually has anything positive to show as a reason to vote for him, he's keeping pretty quiet about it. All Bad man Bad man Bad man. No one likes whiner.

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

I can see the willful ignorance but not from him. 

I don't think you can.  You are not known for informed posts, or of addressing the facts in the posts you reply to.

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Just the 40?

Gong back to the Reagan administration when he planted the idea that deficits don't matter among Republicans.  Peace time deficits have gone up dramatically since then, except during the Clinton administration.

 

How far back do you want to go?  Or are you just diverting to hide you ignorance of the subject?

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Trump was partially responsible for Covid-19 tanking the economy. And for inflation. Research why tariffs are inflationary. Use reliable sites only. Definitely not faux news

It's useless debating uttradit.  He blames Trump's poor performance on Covid but won't acknowledge the economic crash that Obama inherited from Bush. 

 

What do you expect from someone who gets his news for YouTube and posted "Why bother reading 8 new sources if you make no money from it? Just a bunch of useless news in your head. "

 

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3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Pitch that to the American public and see how it flies.  The polls suggest it is not a winning strategy. With housing and food costs both up in the neighborhood of 30% under Biden, the economic argument is not going anywhere. 

Yeah, home owners are really crying about how much the value of their houses has increased.

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Yeah, home owners are really crying about how much the value of their houses has increased.

Sure that's capitalism. Whatever happens there are always winners and losers. Many Americans will be and will feel much richer under Biden and many will not. It depends on their individual situation. During the great depression most suffered but some were in a position to create great fortunes. All presidents deal with these kinds of complex contradictions.

 

I understand most Average Joes vote based on personal economic perceptions.

In this election that's particularly unfortunate.

In Trump we have a monster intent on blowing up American democracy to replace it with a president for life cult of personality fascist dictatorship.

Many magas understand that and want that. They are the opposite of patriotic Americans. 

19 hours ago, heybruce said:

Consumer Confidence is improving, it's at its highest level in two years.  https://apnews.com/article/consumer-confidence-conference-board-spending-economy-ce87c4fed6f18ac92b0d915e7af7e828

 

People's attitudes always take time to adjust to a new reality, even when the new reality is a strong economy.

Those kinds of studies are such nonsense, such fiction. I have a retail business in the US. I know many who are business people, real estate developers, etc. All say the same thing. Consumers are scared, they are timid, they are NOT buying. Do not believe the nonsense. 

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Pitch that to the American public and see how it flies.  The polls suggest it is not a winning strategy. With housing and food costs both up in the neighborhood of 30% under Biden, the economic argument is not going anywhere. 

 

Don't forget credit card debt and delinquencies, which are growing like the dickens under Bidenomics.

 

During the third quarter, credit card balances hit a fresh high of $1.08 trillion, rising $48 billion from the prior quarter and leaping by a record $154 billion from the year before, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s latest Quarterly Report on Household Debt and Credit released Tuesday.

 

The year-over-year increase is the largest since the New York Fed started tracking that data in 1999.

 

Household debt increased 1.3% to $17.29 trillion in the third quarter.

 

However, a growing number of households are having difficulty wrangling that debt, which is increasingly more costly amid an environment of painfully persistent inflation and high interest rates.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/economy/household-debt-credit-card-delinquencies-q3/index.html