February 10, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, WDSmart said: (The last I saw was actually 67,000 or so.) And where did you see that figure, or rather more poignantly, who supplied that figure ?
February 10, 20242 yr 45 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I can conclude, make correct assumptions Misnomer of the thread so far, although I’m sure you will produce other contenders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
February 10, 20242 yr 11 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: And where did you see that figure, or rather more poignantly, who supplied that figure ? Here are the latest figures today and the link: "Israel has continued its attacks across the Gaza Strip, including near hospitals and in the south of the besieged enclave, where ground operations are intensifying. Here are the latest casualty figures as of February 9 at 11:30pm in Gaza (09:30 GMT): Gaza Killed: at least 27,947 people, including more than: 12,150 children 8,300 women Injured: more than 67,459, including at least: 8,663 children 6,327 women Missing: more than 7,000" Israel-Gaza war in maps and charts: Live tracker | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera
February 10, 20242 yr Popular Post 2 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Here are the latest figures today and the link: "Israel has continued its attacks across the Gaza Strip, including near hospitals and in the south of the besieged enclave, where ground operations are intensifying. Here are the latest casualty figures as of February 9 at 11:30pm in Gaza (09:30 GMT): Gaza Killed: at least 27,947 people, including more than: 12,150 children 8,300 women Injured: more than 67,459, including at least: 8,663 children 6,327 women Missing: more than 7,000" Israel-Gaza war in maps and charts: Live tracker | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera So the figures come directly from Hamas then; fodder for the gullible and incurious
February 10, 20242 yr 10 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Misnomer of the thread so far, although I’m sure you will produce other contenders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I disagree, but I'm sure I'll give you more to ponder... "_/(*)\_"
February 10, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: So the figures come directly from Hamas then; fodder for the gullible and incurious And, how would you characterize figures from the IDF?
February 10, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Here are the latest figures today and the link: "Israel has continued its attacks across the Gaza Strip, including near hospitals and in the south of the besieged enclave, where ground operations are intensifying. Here are the latest casualty figures as of February 9 at 11:30pm in Gaza (09:30 GMT): Gaza Killed: at least 27,947 people, including more than: 12,150 children 8,300 women Injured: more than 67,459, including at least: 8,663 children 6,327 women Missing: more than 7,000" Israel-Gaza war in maps and charts: Live tracker | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera So, no Hamas terrorists killed or injured in those Hamas supplied numbers, just the women and children they were sheltering behind / under; and you keep supporting this vile death cult, for which you obviously have your own reasons ….. antisemitism maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
February 10, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: So, no Hamas terrorists killed or injured in those Hamas supplied numbers, just the women and children they were sheltering behind / under; and you keep supporting this vile death cult, for which you obviously have your own reasons ….. antisemitism maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No, those numbers didn't have a breakdown by civilians vs. militants or even Palestinians vs. Israelis. Just Killed and Injured by Total, Women, and Children, and Missing by Total. No, I'm not antisemitic. I'm neither anti-Jew or anti-Arab. "_/(*)\_"
February 10, 20242 yr Popular Post 4 minutes ago, WDSmart said: No, those numbers didn't have a breakdown by civilians vs. militants or even Palestinians vs. Israelis. Just Killed and Injured by Total, Women, and Children, and Missing by Total. "_/(*)\_" How remarkably convenient for promoters of Hamas propaganda like yourself; must have been a simple oversight.
February 10, 20242 yr 37 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: How remarkably convenient for promoters of Hamas propaganda like yourself; must have been a simple oversight. I'm not a promoter of Hamas propaganda. I just didn't care about the breakdown. What difference does it make if those killed are deemed to have been Hamas terrorists by the IDF? They probably think every adult male is a Hamas terrorist, especially the ones they kill. And I assume most of these killed were killed by bombs, not in hand-to-hand combat, so IMO, the IDF's figures on the breakdown are inflated or, at best, optimistic estimates. The Hama figures, on the other hand, are not broken down by types of people, and that, too, may indeed be purposeful. My point is that we just don't know what the real figures are, but we can be sure that the numbers of the dead and wounded in Gaza are very, very high.
February 10, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, WDSmart said: Here's more information for you... I do not need to know all the details because I can conclude, make correct assumptions, and take appropriate actions by looking at the "big picture." I don't need to know all the details. I've had this ability my whole life, and my entire professional career was based on this. Here's an example to explain it to you: If I start to cross the street and look up and see a car bearing down on me at a high speed, I immediately step back on the curb. I don't need to know the details: the make and year of the car, exactly how fast it is going, how many people are in it, what the driver's name is, etc. I immediately assess the situation and step back on the curb. Do you understand now? Or do you need more details? All of the nonsense above testifies to two things: (a) You have nothing much to contribute, other than ongoing nonsense, disruptions and off topic comments. (b) You have mastered the fine art of being careful when crossing streets. Well done. I'm not aware that your 'professional career' is in any way relevant to the topics at hand. I don't see how not knowing basic stuff about things discussed, or holding on to misguided notions regarding them is conductive to having a better point of view. Just an extension of the same old my-opinion-is-good-as-fact nonsense.
February 10, 20242 yr 44 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I'm not a promoter of Hamas propaganda. I just didn't care about the breakdown. What difference does it make if those killed are deemed to have been Hamas terrorists by the IDF? They probably think every adult male is a Hamas terrorist, especially the ones they kill. And I assume most of these killed were killed by bombs, not in hand-to-hand combat, so IMO, the IDF's figures on the breakdown are inflated or, at best, optimistic estimates. The Hama figures, on the other hand, are not broken down by types of people, and that, too, may indeed be purposeful. My point is that we just don't know what the real figures are, but we can be sure that the numbers of the dead and wounded in Gaza are very, very high. You post Hamas talking points. You even take things further than Hamas on some issues. You routinely go on about Israel, not so much about Hamas. You mischaracterize Israeli attitudes, policies, and political stances in a negative way. You routinely ignore the uncomfortable similar elements related to the Hamas and Palestinian points of view. Here you go again with that 'they probably thing...'. You don't know what they think. You don't bother to check, read. Your assert that if it's your 'opinion', then it's good as true. Your point is that you raise issues only with regard to IDF figures, but accept Hamas figures (ie propaganda) without much reservation.
February 10, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Morch said: You post Hamas talking points. You even take things further than Hamas on some issues. You routinely go on about Israel, not so much about Hamas. You mischaracterize Israeli attitudes, policies, and political stances in a negative way. You routinely ignore the uncomfortable similar elements related to the Hamas and Palestinian points of view. Here you go again with that 'they probably thing...'. You don't know what they think. You don't bother to check, read. Your assert that if it's your 'opinion', then it's good as true. Your point is that you raise issues only with regard to IDF figures, but accept Hamas figures (ie propaganda) without much reservation. Yes, it is strange how he sees things.........🤔
February 11, 20242 yr 16 hours ago, Morch said: Yawn. Seriously. You must be joking. Can you cite many such comments directed at Hamas? Not ones in which this is brought up in conjunction with Israel's actions? Can you cite many such from Arab countries supposedly supporting the Palestinians? The OP is not related to Arab countries response, but to USA.
February 11, 20242 yr It looks like another three or four (or maybe it will be recorded as 20) "Hamas terrorists" the IDF can add to their breakdown of the number of Palestinians they have successfully eliminated in Gaza. Five-year-old Palestinian girl found dead after being trapped in car under Israeli fire | CNN
February 11, 20242 yr We've had some posters here scoffing at the notion that one of Israel's goals in this war is to drastically lower the Palestinian population of Gaza. I think at this point a good argument could be made that Israel has been gaslighting about its intentions. And it looks like Egypt is at least open to that argument: Egypt Warily Eyes Gaza as War Builds Pressure on Its Border Egypt has reinforced its frontier with Gaza and warned Israel that any move that would send Gazans spilling into Egyptian territory could jeopardize their decades-old peace treaty. https://archive.ph/uMDBP https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/world/middleeast/egypt-gaza-israel-war.html I anticipate a few counterarguments: 1)The mindreading argument: Egypt doesn't really believe this. It's just for public consumption 2) It's Hamas' fault: If Hamas surrendered, there would be no need to force Palestinians into Egypt. 3)Reversibility: Even if these refugees do flee across the border, that doesn't mean that Israel won't let them back in. Keep in mind that during the early part of of the war, Israel actually negotiated with Egypt to allow refugees from Gaza to cross into Egypt. Egypt refused.
February 11, 20242 yr Popular Post 17 hours ago, WDSmart said: No, I didn't even know there was a Hamas official that reports the daily figures. I don't look for them daily, I just look them up on the Internet when I want to know the most recent total. Ignore the trolls, buddy.
February 11, 20242 yr Popular Post 2 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Ignore the trolls, buddy. says a troll
February 11, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, simple1 said: The OP is not related to Arab countries response, but to USA. Your deflection aside, my comment holds anyway. Most of the criticism, pleas and so on are directed at Israel.
February 11, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Israel just want all Gazans to leave so they can steal more of their land Liar
February 11, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, WDSmart said: It looks like another three or four (or maybe it will be recorded as 20) "Hamas terrorists" the IDF can add to their breakdown of the number of Palestinians they have successfully eliminated in Gaza. Five-year-old Palestinian girl found dead after being trapped in car under Israeli fire | CNN Coming from someone who just advocated Hamas hold on to Israeli children taken hostage for as long as possible, releasing them last - kinda hard to take your 'concern' and 'outrage' at face value.
February 11, 20242 yr 18 minutes ago, placeholder said: We've had some posters here scoffing at the notion that one of Israel's goals in this war is to drastically lower the Palestinian population of Gaza. I think at this point a good argument could be made that Israel has been gaslighting about its intentions. And it looks like Egypt is at least open to that argument: Egypt Warily Eyes Gaza as War Builds Pressure on Its Border Egypt has reinforced its frontier with Gaza and warned Israel that any move that would send Gazans spilling into Egyptian territory could jeopardize their decades-old peace treaty. https://archive.ph/uMDBP https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/world/middleeast/egypt-gaza-israel-war.html I anticipate a few counterarguments: 1)The mindreading argument: Egypt doesn't really believe this. It's just for public consumption 2) It's Hamas' fault: If Hamas surrendered, there would be no need to force Palestinians into Egypt. 3)Reversibility: Even if these refugees do flee across the border, that doesn't mean that Israel won't let them back in. Keep in mind that during the early part of of the war, Israel actually negotiated with Egypt to allow refugees from Gaza to cross into Egypt. Egypt refused. And them counterarguments you outline are to the point. Your assertions, not so much. keep in mind that after Egypt refused, Israel neither tried to do so anyway, nor was the subject featured much later on.
February 11, 20242 yr 17 minutes ago, placeholder said: We've had some posters here scoffing at the notion that one of Israel's goals in this war is to drastically lower the Palestinian population of Gaza. I think at this point a good argument could be made that Israel has been gaslighting about its intentions. And it looks like Egypt is at least open to that argument: Egypt Warily Eyes Gaza as War Builds Pressure on Its Border Egypt has reinforced its frontier with Gaza and warned Israel that any move that would send Gazans spilling into Egyptian territory could jeopardize their decades-old peace treaty. https://archive.ph/uMDBP https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/world/middleeast/egypt-gaza-israel-war.html I anticipate a few counterarguments: 1)The mindreading argument: Egypt doesn't really believe this. It's just for public consumption 2) It's Hamas' fault: If Hamas surrendered, there would be no need to force Palestinians into Egypt. 3)Reversibility: Even if these refugees do flee across the border, that doesn't mean that Israel won't let them back in. Keep in mind that during the early part of of the war, Israel actually negotiated with Egypt to allow refugees from Gaza to cross into Egypt. Egypt refused. Egypt has been reinforcing border for some time, first reported back in middle Dec, not exactly news Egypt under growing pressure as displaced Gazans crowd the border https://archive.ph/fGVEk https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/19/egypt-gaza-refugees-displaced-israel/
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February 11, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, Neeranam said: More insults reflect your inablitity to have a grown up conversation. Do you deny Netanyahu wants all Gazans out of Gaza? Do you believe Netanyahu govt is right wing? Maybe time to phone a friend 😉 Netanyahu reported to be lobbying EU governments to pressure Egypt to take in refugees https://www.timesofisrael.com/intelligence-ministry-concept-paper-proposes-transferring-gazans-to-egypts-sinai/ Dated Oct 31st. Time to let go and move on. Didn't happen. Although I think Scotland has room for at least a million
February 11, 20242 yr Blinken is a sock puppet. US needs to cut all ties with Israel and all aid; and kick the dual citizens (US/Israeli or US/Anywhere else) out of Congress and the Senate. Enough all ready. I don't want my tax dollars to go to support massacres of Palestinian women and children. How can a 2000lb cluster bomb be called aid????????????
February 11, 20242 yr 6 minutes ago, retarius said: How can a 2000lb cluster bomb be called aid???????????? Could you please tell me where and when a 2,000 lb cluster bomb was used …. many thanks
February 11, 20242 yr Popular Post 31 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Egypt has been reinforcing border for some time, first reported back in middle Dec, not exactly news Egypt under growing pressure as displaced Gazans crowd the border https://archive.ph/fGVEk https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/19/egypt-gaza-refugees-displaced-israel/ Another reflexive counter argument. What is news is that Israel is apparently planning to launch a major assault on Rafah where roughly 1.45 million Palestinians have sought refuge. You think that's irrelevant to Egypt's fear about Mass cross-border immigration? That it doesn't change the odds?
February 11, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, placeholder said: Another reflexive counter argument. What is news is that Israel is apparently planning to launch a major assault on Rafah where roughly 1.45 million Palestinians have sought refuge. You think that's irrelevant to Egypt's fear about Mass cross-border immigration? That it doesn't change the odds? Yes correct on that one. The plan is to rid Rafah of terrorist infastructure. Egypts fear has been around for weeks as my link demonstrated
February 11, 20242 yr Just now, Bkk Brian said: Yes correct on that one. The plan is to rid Rafah of terrorist infastructure. Egypts fear has been around for weeks as my link demonstrated Do ya think their fears have gotten stronger, stayed the same, or gotten weaker since Israel announced its intentions to stage in a major operation in Rafah?
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