Genetic link discovered between prehistoric Thai communities and modern ethnic groups

[webfact]

 

Ancient human bones and teeth excavated from Iron Age Log Coffin sites in Thailand’s Mae Hong Son province have revealed a genetic link between prehistoric communities and modern ethnic groups in the region.

 

The discovery follows a study led by Rasmi Shoocongdej, a lecturer at Silpakorn University’s Faculty of Archaeology, who has been exploring a prehistoric cave community in Mae Hong Son since 1998.

 

Pang Mapha’s highlands, where the study took place, served as an ancient burial site. Here, the Log Coffin culture thrived, with large teak coffins dating back 1,000 to 2,300 years found across approximately 40 caves and rock shelters in the province, said Rasmi.

 

“This research broadens our understanding of the cultural evolution of Log Coffin-associated sites. It uncovers the genetic ancestry profiles and interconnectedness of individuals from five Log Coffin culture sites.”

 

by Mitch Connor

Top Picture courtesy of Bangkok Post

 

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[flyingtlger]

Well darn explains why my Thai mother-in-law looks like a Cro-Magnon

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

have revealed a genetic link between prehistoric communities and modern ethnic groups in the region.

The missing link can be seen up the road from me.

[Kinnock]

Mae Hong Son .... we're they buried with their motorbikes?

 

Being prehistoric times, perhaps an AJS or an early version of a Supercub?

[dinsdale]

Neanderthal is found in modern humans also so this is nothing strange.

[mfd101]

Always a hidden agenda in exploring the past: Justifying the present.

[Callmeishmael]

So the people who live there now are descended from the people who lived there in the past!  Surprise, surprise!

[Gottfrid]

Wow! They are smart! Who would have thought that research of the historic population of a country, would reveal that it´s genetically linked? Amazing!

[Emdog]

6 hours ago, flyingtlger said:

Well darn explains why my Thai mother-in-law looks like a Cro-Magnon

FYI we are all (most of us?) Cro-Magnon, so no surprise there. That is the group that replaced Neanderthals, now only found in small pockets of expat forums and Onan news sites

[Tarteso]

So the’re the Neanderthais 🤔

[Enoon]

2 hours ago, Tarteso said:

So the’re the Neanderthais 🤔

 

Some trace of Neanderthal ancestry is possible.

 

However the remains analysed are "only" 2,300 years old at the most.

 

"Pure" Neanderthal was well out of the way by then.....Homo Sapiens arrived in Asia much earlier than that.

 

The remains are from a group that migrated "locally" (from China) after Sapiens had become well established in the East.  They are evidence of particular Culture rather than a separate Genus.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations#/media/File:Homo_sapiens_dispersal_routes.jpg

 

 

Edited February 12 by Enoon

[ourmanflint]

2 hours ago, Emdog said:

FYI we are all (most of us?) Cro-Magnon, so no surprise there. That is the group that replaced Neanderthals, now only found in small pockets of expat forums and Onan news sites

 

No neanderthals or cro magnons in Asia, they were most likely Denisovan, who we know very little about

[Enoon]

3 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

 

No neanderthals or cro magnons in Asia, they were most likely Denisovan, who we know very little about

 

H.Sapien/Denisovian admixture.

 

 

[This Guy]

The anti-Thai / Thai bashing / derogatory remarks came as expected.
And from the expected respondents
Sad sacks who assume they are superior to all..w@3kers

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

 

No neanderthals or cro magnons in Asia, they were most likely Denisovan, who we know very little about

That may not be true. Asians in general have more Neanderthal DNA than Europeans - especially East Asians.

 

Scientists finally solve mystery of why Europeans have less Neanderthal DNA than East Asians

 

And while East Asians also have a relatively high level of Denisovan DNA, mainland Asians (including those in SE Asia) have relatively little.

 

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We estimate that the Denisovan contribution to mainland Asian [...] populations is ~0.2% ...

 

The complete genome sequence of a Neandertal from the Altai Mountains

[uttradit]

12 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

So the people who live there now are descended from the people who lived there in the past!  Surprise, surprise!

Amazing discovery

[metisdead]

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[Danderman123]

19 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

So the people who live there now are descended from the people who lived there in the past!  Surprise, surprise!

Actually, yes. Because Thai people originally came from China, long after the Iron Age. The earlier inhabitants of Thailand were Mon, who pretty much inhabited all of Indochina, but were later overrun by invading tribes (except in Cambodia).

 

It's similar to England, which was settled by the Celts, who were later overrun by the Anglo-Saxons.

[Danderman123]

12 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

 

No neanderthals or cro magnons in Asia, they were most likely Denisovan, who we know very little about

Everyone who left Africa has Neanderthal DNA, Asians more than Europeans. But only Asians (and American Indians) have significant Denisovan DNA.

Edited February 12 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

12 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

Some trace of Neanderthal ancestry is possible.

 

However the remains analysed are "only" 2,300 years old at the most.

 

"Pure" Neanderthal was well out of the way by then.....Homo Sapiens arrived in Asia much earlier than that.

 

The remains are from a group that migrated "locally" (from China) after Sapiens had become well established in the East.  They are evidence of particular Culture rather than a separate Genus.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations#/media/File:Homo_sapiens_dispersal_routes.jpg

 

 

Since the climate has been cooling for the last 8,000 years (except for the last few decades), there have been multiple waves of immigration into Indochina by Chinese. Snow falls in Guangdong and people head south.

 

Of course, there was an initial entry of H. Sapiens into Thailand from Africa a long time ago. These initial settlers presumably ran into Denisovans, who exited to the south soon after.

 

Interestingly,  "southern" Denisovans were significantly different from those in North Asia.

 

However, it is difficult to pick out the differences in DNA in modern humans because of admixture from Chinese in Thailand.  More truly ancient Denisova DNA samples are needed.

Edited February 12 by Danderman123

[superal]

Fascinating subject . However the theory that all humans evolved from Africa is doubtful . Indeed it appears that the majority of the European colonisation , came out of Asia as did possibly,  the Aboriginal race , according to a study by the                               " Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA ".    However for the Aborigines to find their way to the new land of Australia in primitive boats is not easy to conceive . Why should it be that Africa and Asia were the only two continents where humans evolved ?

[John Drake]

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Interestingly, the ancient humans of Pang Mapha shared a close DNA pattern with Neolithic individuals residing in China’s Yangtze and Yellow River Valleys. This suggests that they migrated from China to the western part of the Salween River, Rasmi said.

 

Xi's Nine Dash Line will now be extended westward to include Thailand.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, superal said:

Fascinating subject . However the theory that all humans evolved from Africa is doubtful . Indeed it appears that the majority of the European colonisation , came out of Asia as did possibly,  the Aboriginal race , according to a study by the                               " Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA ".    However for the Aborigines to find their way to the new land of Australia in primitive boats is not easy to conceive . Why should it be that Africa and Asia were the only two continents where humans evolved ?

Although it is true that the first wave of Europeans came from Asia, and the Australian Aborigines came from SE Asia, their ancestors came to Asia  from Africa.

[Pouatchee]

On 2/12/2024 at 4:53 PM, This Guy said:

The anti-Thai / Thai bashing / derogatory remarks came as expected.
And from the expected respondents
Sad sacks who assume they are superior to all..w@3kers

 

geeez youre off to a good start here. how do you know who the 'expected respondents' are?

 

[superal]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Although it is true that the first wave of Europeans came from Asia, and the Australian Aborigines came from SE Asia, their ancestors came to Asia  from Africa.

"Out of Africa " was the accepted theory of the human evolution . However there are differing views held that state the march lands of Myanmar were the home of a monkey type creature that was the ancestor to anthropoids .

There is no reason why Africa should be the only place for the human race to evolve . Historic finds of human ancestry were 

once solely linked to Africa but the Asian fossil find and theory theory cannot be ignored . Further more the article states that not only did evolution begin in Asia but it then moved on to Africa . Link below to read .

                                        https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47681134

[Danderman123]

24 minutes ago, superal said:

"Out of Africa " was the accepted theory of the human evolution . However there are differing views held that state the march lands of Myanmar were the home of a monkey type creature that was the ancestor to anthropoids .

There is no reason why Africa should be the only place for the human race to evolve . Historic finds of human ancestry were 

once solely linked to Africa but the Asian fossil find and theory theory cannot be ignored . Further more the article states that not only did evolution begin in Asia but it then moved on to Africa . Link below to read .

                                        https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47681134

Early apes and monkeys evolved in many places.

 

Nothing to do with the evolution of homo sapiens in Africa.

[superal]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Early apes and monkeys evolved in many places.

 

Nothing to do with the evolution of homo sapiens in Africa.

So you disagree with the link I attached earlier ? The fossil discovery in Myanmar clearly proves that the ancestors of monkeys, apes and humans , evolved first in Asia before moving on to Africa where the evolution continued .

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, superal said:

So you disagree with the link I attached earlier ? The fossil discovery in Myanmar clearly proves that the ancestors of monkeys, apes and humans , evolved first in Asia before moving on to Africa where the evolution continued .

I agree 100%.

 

But evolution of humans largely took place in Africa.