Despite U.S. pressure, the idea of a Palestinian state seems farther away than ever

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Nobody said that. The conflict is very complicated. The Berkeley Jew hating mob can't grasp that.

 

So, no anti-zionists there at all protesting a well known zionist?

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

So, no anti-zionists there at all protesting a well known zionist?

It was a mob of Jew haters.

Berkeley is a great school in a great college city.

I love Berkeley much more than Stanford and Palo Alto.

If UC Berkeley can't control these violent mobs of Jew haters, it raises the question of whether Jewish students should continue to apply there.

Many Jews are choosing schools where they are protected from such Jew hating mobs.

I'm not sure if that's a good idea. That means the Jew hating mobs won. 

Edited March 3 by Jingthing

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It was a mob of Jew haters.

Berkeley is a great school in a great college city.

If UC Berkeley can't control these violent mobs of Jew haters, it raises the question of whether Jewish students should continue to apply there.

Many Jews are choosing schools where they are protected from such Jew hating mobs.

I'm not sure if that's a good idea. That means the Jew hating mobs won. 

 

When you stop conflating racism with anti-zionism we might be able to have a constructive discussion. Until then, there is no chance.

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It was a mob of Jew haters.

Berkeley is a great school in a great college city.

If UC Berkeley can't control these violent mobs of Jew haters, it raises the question of whether Jewish students should continue to apply there.

Many Jews are choosing schools where they are protected from such Jew hating mobs.

I'm not sure if that's a good idea. That means the Jew hating mobs won. 

Persecution complex I think. 

Did it enter your mind that it could be anti - Israel? 

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

When you stop conflating racism with anti-zionism we might be able to have a constructive discussion. Until then, there is no chance.

You are acting like what happened at Berkeley didn't happen. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Persecution complex I think. 

Did it enter your mind that it could be anti - Israel? 

 

Attacking people for being Jews is not anti Israel, it's anti Jew.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You are acting like what happened at Berkeley didn't happen. 

 

You are being irrational. Your posts are increasingly inflammatory.

Edited March 3 by ozimoron

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Attacking people for being Jews is not anti Israel, it's anti Jew.

True, but I thought it the speaker at the event was Israeli.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

True, but I thought it the speaker at the event was Israeli.

So what? Is it a crime to have Israeli nationality.

These Jew hating thugs were attacking the crowd going to hear a speaker with anti Jewish slurs.

Don't play dumb.

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

So what? Is it a crime to have Israeli nationality.

These Jew hating thugs were attacking the crowd going to hear a speaker with anti Jewish slurs.

Don't play dumb.

 

Dumb is continuing to conflate zionism with religion.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Dumb is continuing to conflate zionism with religion.

Zionism is about political self determination for the Jewish people.

Not sure what weird game you are playing bringing up religion. 

People attacking Jews for being Jews are RACIST. 

Whether those Jews practice the Jewish religion or any other religion for that matter is irrelevant to the Jew haters.

Edited March 3 by Jingthing

[Jeff the Chef]

The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2013, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

 

Since the UNHRC's creation in 2006, it has resolved almost as many resolutions condemning Israel alone than on issues for the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the UNHRC, not counting those under Agenda Item 10 (countries requiring technical assistance).

From 1967 to 1989, the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) adopted 131 Security Council resolutions directly addressing the Arab–Israeli conflict. In early UNSC practice, resolutions did not directly invoke Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter. They made an explicit determination of a threat, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, and ordered an action in accordance with Article 39 or 40. UNSC Resolution 54 determined that a threat to peace existed within the meaning of Article 39 of the Charter, reiterated the need for a truce, and ordered a ceasefire pursuant to Article 40 of the Charter. Although the phrase "Acting under Chapter VII" was never mentioned as the basis for the action taken, the chapter's authority was being used.

The United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) has adopted a number of resolutions stating that Israel's strategic relationship with the United States, a superpower and permanent member of the Security Council with veto power, encourages the former to pursue aggressive and expansionist policies and practices in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

The 9th Emergency Session of the UNGA was convened at the request of the UNSC when the United States blocked all efforts to adopt sanctions against Israel.

 

The United States responded to the frequent criticism from United Nations organs by adopting the Negroponte doctrine of opposing any UNSC resolutions criticizing Israel that did not also denounce Palestinian militant activity.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Zionism is about political self determination for the Jewish people.

Not sure what weird game you are playing bringing up religion. 

 

The Jewish people have had a nation state for decades. Israel is not a theocracy. By your logic it's impossible to condemn the Israeli political leaders without being antisemitic, clearly a non sequitur.

[WDSmart]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Attacking people for being Jews is not anti Israel, it's anti Jew.

When you use the term "Jew" to refer to someone, are you referring to their religion or their ethnicity? You certainly couldn't be referring to the country they live in, could you?

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Zionism is about political self determination for the Jewish people.

Not sure what weird game you are playing bringing up religion. 

People attacking Jews for being Jews are RACIST. 

Whether those Jews practice the Jewish religion or any other religion for that matter is irrelevant to the Jew haters.

I really don't know why you are bringing religion into this. 

Maybe it is a weapon against anyone who disagrees with your support of what Israel did last week.

Rather than have a fair debate, you shout antisemitism, just because many Israelis are Jewish. 

[Neeranam]

Time to call a friend JT. 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

When you use the term "Jew" to refer to someone, are you referring to their religion or their ethnicity? You certainly couldn't be referring to the country they live in, could you?

Their ethnic identity of course.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

I really don't know why you are bringing religion into this. 

Maybe it is a weapon against anyone who disagrees with your support of what Israel did last week.

Rather than have a fair debate, you shout antisemitism, just because many Israelis are Jewish. 

 

Actually only about two thirds. And among that number there are many Jews who are anti-zionist and who criticize Netanyahu and his mob of war criminals.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I really don't know why you are bringing religion into this. 

Maybe it is a weapon against anyone who disagrees with your support of what Israel did last week.

Rather than have a fair debate, you shout antisemitism, just because many Israelis are Jewish. 

I am not bringing religion into it.

Jew haters are racists against people with Jewish ethnic identity.

It's weird how many people are so dense about what Jews are. It's not like Christianity of Islam. It's more like Kurds.

[Jingthing]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Actually only about two thirds. And among that number there are many Jews who are anti-zionist and who criticize Netanyahu and his mob of war criminals.

I hate Netanyahu as well.

The topic HERE is about a Jew hating mob at Berkeley. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Jingthing said:

I am not bringing religion into it.

Jew haters are racists against people with Jewish ethnic identity.

It's weird how many people are so dense about what Jews are. It's not like Christianity of Islam. It's more like Kurds.

 

What? Not bringing religion into it and then "Jew haters"? Can't make this stuff up. Unbelievable.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Jingthing said:

I hate Netanyahu as well.

The topic HERE is about a Jew hating mob at Berkeley. 

 

The topic here is a protest against a well known rabid zionist who spearheaded the hated judicial "reforms" in Israel and his presumably zionist supporters. Note that nobody has accused them of being islamophobic.

[James105]

46 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You are not alone, many think the 'war' started on Oct 7 and were shocked, including myself. 

Open-minded followers learned that there were many circumstances leading to this terrible terrorist act. One could call the Israelis terrorists for things done pre-Oct 7. 

Oct 7 did not happen for no reason. 

So, do you condemn the other day, when 100 + unharmed civilians were shot dead? Some here don't which I find disgraceful. 

 

I can condemn Hamas every day they do not surrender, return the hostages and face justice for the atrocities they committed on 7th October.  If they cared about the plight of Palestinians then they would have done so.  They have the power to introduce a permanent ceasefire right this second by surrendering and returning the hostages.   There can be no negotiations about peaceful coexistence whilst one side is a terrorist organisation that wants to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth.  

 

War is a messy business and there has not been a single war in the history of wars where there were not thousands of innocents caught up in it.  The Isreali soldiers wear a uniform.  Hamas could avoid so many civilian casualties if they also wore a uniform.  If I lived in Palestine I would be cursing Hamas for forcing this conflict and I would want Hamas to surrender.  I would want a non terrorist supporting democratically elected government.  I would want peace and trade with my neighbours.   Hamas wants none of that.  Isreal needs to eradicate Hamas for the security of their citizens.  

 

Does that help?

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I hate Netanyahu as well.

The topic HERE is about a Jew hating mob at Berkeley. 

I understand why you think that and there may well be some people who were there that don't like Jews. However, the majority are demonstrating against ANYONE who is supporting Israel, no matter their religion/ethnicity. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

I understand why you think that and there may well be some people who were there that don't like Jews. However, the majority are demonstrating against ANYONE who is supporting Israel, no matter their religion/ethnicity. 

Yelling anti Jewish slurs is some people that "don't like" Jews?
You really are too too much. 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yelling anti Jewish slurs is some people that "don't like" Jews?
You really are too too much. 

 

I don't doubt that some in the crowd did indeed yell antisemitic slurs so in an effort to be fair to you. I decided to go find what those slurs might have been. The only reference to the actual statements I could find was this:

 

The newspaper reported that protesters changed "Long live the intifada," "Hey hey, ho ho, the occupation has got to go" and "Killers on campus."

 

I'd like you to explain what part of those statements was antisemitic.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/

 

edit: I'm assuming that "changed" should have read "chanted".

Edited March 3 by ozimoron

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yelling anti Jewish slurs is some people that "don't like" Jews?
You really are too too much. 

If being anti -Zionist equates to being anti-Jew, what about the 100's of thousands of Jews who are also against Zionist Israel, does that make them anti-Jews as well?

[WDSmart]

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I am not bringing religion into it.

Jew haters are racists against people with Jewish ethnic identity.

It's weird how many people are so dense about what Jews are. It's not like Christianity of Islam. It's more like Kurds.

To avoid confusion, here is how I usually use these terms, although, here on AeanNow, I sometimes don't follow these completely:
- Ethnicity: Hebrews/Arabs
- Religion: Judaism/Islam
- Practitioners of Religions: Jews/Muslims
- States: Israel/Palestine
- Citizens/Occupants of States: Israelis/Palestinians
- Radical Group Intent on a One-State Solution: Zionists/Hamas.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

I don't doubt that some in the crowd did indeed yell antisemitic slurs so in an effort to be fair to you. I decided to go find what those slurs might have been. The only reference to the actual statements I could find was this:

 

The newspaper reported that protesters changed "Long live the intifada," "Hey hey, ho ho, the occupation has got to go" and "Killers on campus."

 

I'd like you to explain what part of those statements was anti-Semitic.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/

 

edit: I'm assuming that "changed" should have read "chanted".

 

So shouting "killers on campus" is not anti-Semitic then when directerd at Jews?

 

How about spitting at protestors and calling them Jew at the same time?

 

"One student captured on a video clip said the protesters shouted “Jew Jew Jew” in his face and spat at him."

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

So shouting "killers on campus" is not anti-Semitic then when directerd at Jews?

 

How about spitting at protestors and calling them Jew at the same time?

 

"One student captured on a video clip said the protesters shouted “Jew Jew Jew” in his face and spat at him."

 

First sentence. How did any of them know whether there were any Jews at all in the crowd? They were ostensibly protesting zionism, led by a known rabid zionist.

 

I have addressed the actual content of the chants as far as I could find any. You should now link to your accusations of shouts of "Jew Jew Jew". I have not seen them. Note that I also previously said I didn't doubt that there were some individuals, as always, but I want to see where the crowd was chanting that collectively for your point to be valid.

 

Edited March 3 by ozimoron