Historians rank Trump as worst president

[Dolf]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Surfing on Obama's trend...

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

Not at all. 4.8% when Trump took office down to 3.5% in 2019. 

 

Trump smashed Obama on the unemployment numbers in half the time.

[Danderman123]

Why is this news? Except for some cultists, everyone knows that Trump was the WOAT.

[candide]

24 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Not at all. 4.8% when Trump took office down to 3.5% in 2019. 

 

Trump smashed Obama on the unemployment numbers in half the time.

Do you understand what trend means? Actually, the unemployment decrease rate was lower under Trump.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Do you understand what trend means? Actually, the unemployment decrease rate was lower under Trump.

 

When Obama took office the unemployment rate was falling like a rock and continued to do so for a couple of months before he was able to turn it around. Obama did a great job in restoring employment levels.

 

That and the SALT treaty for which he received the Nobel Peace Prize are factors in why Obama scored so high in the rankings. P_lus the deal with Iran to stop producing nuclear weapons which Trump undid, yet another reason he scored dead last.

Edited February 21 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

I'm wondering whether Nikki Haley is staying in the race to raise campaign cash for a third party run when Trump gets the GOP nomination? That would ruin his chances in a close election.

[Hanuman2547]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

Actually the heritage foundation found that all the best presidents were all republicans. 

Imagine that, what are the chances 

The Heritage Foundation is a very far right conservative institution.  I would be very surprised if they ever had anything positive to say about a moderate Republican let alone a Democrat.

[Dolf]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Why is this news? Except for some cultists, everyone knows that Trump was the WOAT.

Not according to actual facts. Nobody cares about marxist views.

[Dolf]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

When Obama took office the unemployment rate was falling like a rock and continued to do so for a couple of months before he was able to turn it around. Obama did a great job in restoring employment levels.

 

That and the SALT treaty for which he received the Nobel Peace Prize are factors in why Obama scored so high in the rankings. P_lus the deal with Iran to stop producing nuclear weapons which Trump undid, yet another reason he scored dead last.

Obama had 4.8 to 9.9% unemployment. 8 years and failed to get it low.

[Dolf]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Do you understand what trend means? Actually, the unemployment decrease rate was lower under Trump.

Which proves you have no idea. It hit record highs of 9.9%. So logic tells you a bigger fall is possible. Do you not think logically about the numbers? Everyone knows going from 4.8 to 3.5 is harder than going from 6.1 to 4.8. Only a fool doesn't know this. 

Edited February 21 by Dolf

[Dolf]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

When Obama took office the unemployment rate was falling like a rock and continued to do so for a couple of months before he was able to turn it around. Obama did a great job in restoring employment levels.

 

That and the SALT treaty for which he received the Nobel Peace Prize are factors in why Obama scored so high in the rankings. P_lus the deal with Iran to stop producing nuclear weapons which Trump undid, yet another reason he scored dead last.

Obama did a terrible job. Went from 6.9 to 9.9 quickly.

[Dolf]

Obama had unemployment above 8% for over 3 years. That's just awful. 

[Dolf]

57 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'm wondering whether Nikki Haley is staying in the race to raise campaign cash for a third party run when Trump gets the GOP nomination? That would ruin his chances in a close election.

Haley wants to do the same things as Biden.

[Dolf]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

That and the SALT treaty for which he received the Nobel Peace Prize are factors in why Obama scored so high in the rankings. P_lus the deal with Iran to stop producing nuclear weapons which Trump undid, yet another reason he scored dead last.

Obama is a marxist, the voters are marxists. They support their own. I would have Trump 20 places in front of Obama. Obama was bad for the unemployed, bad for wages and ignored the blacks.

 

Trump 20th. Obama 41st, Biden 46th. Correct placings based on actual important things for the people.

[candide]

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31 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Which proves you have no idea. It hit record highs of 9.9%. So logic tells you a bigger fall is possible. Do you not think logically about the numbers? Everyone knows going from 4.8 to 3.5 is harder than going from 6.1 to 4.8. Only a fool doesn't know this. 

Have you heard of fiscal years?

[heybruce]

Ok, guys; have you noted that Dolf never replies to posters who challenge him to support his claims, but always demands support for any challenge to his views?

 

If you want to reply to this troll, ask him to support his posts.  I did that and he now ignores me completely.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Dolf said:

Not according to actual facts. Nobody cares about marxist views.

Define "Marxist" views.

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, Dolf said:

Economists rated Trump better than Obama:

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy/

Read the article again, your six word summary is less than accurate. 

[Danderman123]

Trump 45 was awful, but Trump 47 would be worse. His advisors have cooked up plans in case Trump wins:

 

https://newsisout.com/2023/11/how-conservative-playbook-project-2025-could-affect-lgbtq-people-if-it-comes-to-pass/21317/

 

"Outlawing pornography. Project 2025 lays responsibility for the rise in transgender awareness on pornography but does not give any definition to what is or is not considered pornography. It calls for anyone who creates pornography to be imprisoned, including educators and librarians who distribute it."

 

A blank check for the police to arrest anyone.

Edited February 21 by Danderman123

[Skipalongcassidy]

23 hours ago, stevenl said:

So why do you claim they're biased? Because of the result?

I notice there is no answer to my earlier question as well to why the source is biased.

Spoken like a true liberal... your perspective is sooo distorted that you cannot detect when someone is left of center because you have no center to use as a starting point... and no "the result " means nothing to me... I could care less about who did what and who is better than who... I leave that to you.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Spoken like a true liberal... your perspective is sooo distorted that you cannot detect when someone is left of center because you have no center to use as a starting point... and no "the result " means nothing to me... I could care less about who did what and who is better than who... I leave that to you.

So you don't care but do post in the thread.

And nothing on your claim the source is biased.

So you have an opinion and stick to it, no matter what.

[Dolf]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Define "Marxist" views.

Like your posts.

[Dolf]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump 45 was awful, but Trump 47 would be worse. His advisors have cooked up plans in case Trump wins:

 

https://newsisout.com/2023/11/how-conservative-playbook-project-2025-could-affect-lgbtq-people-if-it-comes-to-pass/21317/

 

"Outlawing pornography. Project 2025 lays responsibility for the rise in transgender awareness on pornography but does not give any definition to what is or is not considered pornography. It calls for anyone who creates pornography to be imprisoned, including educators and librarians who distribute it."

 

A blank check for the police to arrest anyone.

The working class likes Trump. The elites, wokes, marxists and decaf latte drinkers don't.

 

Trump is ahead in the polls because the working class like him.

 

Posting fear mongering stuff on the internet won't change it.

 

The working class want him back.

[morrobay]

12 hours ago, heybruce said:

Nice source:

 

"Overall, we rate FAIR Questionable based on Extreme Right-Wing Bias as it relates to immigration, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies, as well as having connections to documented Hate Groups."  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federation-for-american-immigration-reform-fair/

 

Textbook example : if you don't like the message attack the messenger.  There are sources all over the place that say same facts in all kinds of  media. Am baffled how you people carry on with  your deluded denial diatrabes 

 

[Dolf]

2 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Textbook example : if you don't like the message attack the messenger.  There are sources all over the place that say same facts in all kinds of  media. Am baffled how you people carry on with  your deluded denial diatrabes 

 

Marxists view most people as far right. Lots of centreists get labelled far right now. That's how they view the world.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Textbook example : if you don't like the message attack the messenger.  There are sources all over the place that say same facts in all kinds of  media. Am baffled how you people carry on with  your deluded denial diatrabes

 

Attacking the messenger is only not fair game if the messenger is a member of this forum.

[Dolf]

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Attacking the messenger is only not fair game if the messenger is a member of this forum.

Attacking the messenger is a distraction from the real issues. It's deflection.

 

Either the message is accurate or it's not. It doesn't matter who delivers the message if it is objective and can be verified.

[Eric Loh]

38 minutes ago, Dolf said:

The working class likes Trump. The elites, wokes, marxists and decaf latte drinkers don't.

 

Trump is ahead in the polls because the working class like him.

 

Posting fear mongering stuff on the internet won't change it.

 

The working class want him back.

The working class comprises between 30% to 35% of the population and not all like Trump. Will not help him cross the finishing line in Nov. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

The working class comprises between 30% to 35% of the population and not all like Trump. Will not help him cross the finishing line in Nov. 

 

Especially if Haley musters enough support to run for president.

[Dolf]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

The working class comprises between 30% to 35% of the population and not all like Trump. Will not help him cross the finishing line in Nov. 

He is ahead in the polls so non working class must like him as well.

[Dolf]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Especially if Haley musters enough support to run for president.

Her poll numbers are too low.