hotchilli Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, transam said: Too easy to borrow, it is expected....... Street fines due to rise... I've never seen poor policeman in Thailand. Possibly with the exception of new recruits who are at the bottom of the ladder. It seems the RTP mirror real life, billionaires at the top and poor at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwakvfr Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 What is the starting salary of a Thai Police Officer? My guess it is rather low. I believe there is a connection between low pay, large debt and yes corruption. I recall when I started in Los Angeles we were told about the massive corruption and on duty crimes committed by officers in Miami where starting pay was about $18,000 per year. I once went to New Orleans back in the 1990's and saw a uniformed police officer sitting at the front desk of the hotel where I was staying. This officer had to work a second job because his pay was $17,500 per year. A start might be to consider increasing the pay of Thai Police Officers? Of course even wtih higher pay some will be corrupt and some will get into high debt. I knew a fellow officer who was making over $100K per year but was broke most of the time. Of course the three ex-wives did not help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boedog Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 maybe if the Generals share the brown envelopes, but we know that will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retfed50 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, LudwigK said: WHY do the banks and car companies let them get into so much debt?? And all Thais?? Because the banks and car companies just care about making money! When my niece graduated from the university a few years ago, and having no credit history whatsoever, her bank issued her a credit card with a credit limit of 3 times her yearly salary. Go figure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Ultimately the responsibilty lies with the borrower, but responsibilty is a dirty word in many countries now especially Thailand. I treat all their rules as a joke knowing full well the scale of the corruption here and do my best not to pay into their various money wrenches inc their " new" tax rules. Im not funding irresponsible peoples bad choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Ray Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 During COVID the division of fines that supplemented the pay of Immigration Police dried up. They start on as low as 8000 baht. Whilst the pay is once again being supplemented it is nowhere near the level it was before. Most honest Imm Police officers at the lower end hardly make enough to pay their fares to work, and have to have second jobs or high earning spouses. The free family medical cover is all that makes it worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helloagain Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Spitting distance from rawai temple is a police block of flats, there cars look very nice. They are never around when it rains, nor school holidays when the 10 to 14 year olds decide it's OK to ride parents scooters on the road. At chalong circle although it's a thai country it looks to me more foreigners get booked than thai for no helmets, insurance etc. I had one police on scooter pull up next to me cos yes no helmet, so I said OFF and pointed to 2 thai on a scooter in front of me so they should be first to be booked, he drove off, THAT JUST SAYS IT ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Maybe if all the bonuses for captured goods and property including cash was dealt out fairly instead of going the top tier only... [Joe Ferrari comes to mind].. maybe there wouldn't be poverty at the bottom end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitfield Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 When you have to buy your job you start in debt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie baby Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 So the police have been ignoring the accounting figures for some while, and are now in the sh-t. But their not finished yet. They are now demanding free accommodation in order to carry on policing, when not scamming of coarse. The whole system is in need of a total rethink, which aint going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted February 22 Popular Post Share Posted February 22 50 minutes ago, whitfield said: When you have to buy your job you start in debt. And you had to borrow the money from the police slush fund run by your superiors. Welcome to Amway, RTP Section. Now get out there and "earn". 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, connda said: Tip of the iceberg. The Thai government and central bank keep sweeping this under the rug, but the average Thai is in hock up to their eyeballs - it isn't just police. No, not just the police. Any government employee get all kind of perks when it comes to borrowing money. The government encourages debt to its employees. The last I read not so long ago, was that teachers were up to their necks in massive amounts of debt. One has to wonder why the baht is kept so artificially high, what government debt is that hiding? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaby Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, bamnutsak said: Now do Teachers. https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailands-teachers-accumulate-combined-debts-of-1-4-trillion/ 300 Billion, pfft. Rookies. Teachers up to 1.4 TRILLION. My now wife is a teacher. When I first met her she had a bike loan, student debt, credit card, a personal loan and was the guarantor for a fellow teacher who had bolted. She had been married and when divorced her ex kept the house, leaving her with nothing.Her position is just so common here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiFelix Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 hours ago, webfact said: “Regarding welfare housing, I am asking for a budget to build central flats for officers. Does that welfare also cover the mia noi, surely seperate housing is a must? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roquefort Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, stoner said: no bother just keep raising the debt ceiling. which has almost doubled in the last 10 years. funny that. At some point reality kicks in. Think Wily Coyote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, hotchilli said: Street fines due to rise... I've never seen poor policeman in Thailand. Possibly with the exception of new recruits who are at the bottom of the ladder. It seems the RTP mirror real life, billionaires at the top and poor at the bottom. Our lad is a sergeant cop, so I actually know all about salary, loans and debt....😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john donson Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 and there is a shortage of them? but they hardly want to do their job...even in some rape cases involving minors... if the people don't go outcry to the public or some advocacy group, they just sit on their asses and taking bribes.... how many police generals etc, do they have for how many lower ranks when I go to Samut Prakarn immigration, also police, right... 15 counters and maybe 2 or 3 are actively serving people, the rest is playing phone, taking 20th brake of the day, etc... if there is really a shortage, do something about effectivity , but that is not a word in a thai dic 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, john donson said: and there is a shortage of them? but they hardly want to do their job...even in some rape cases involving minors... if the people don't go outcry to the public or some advocacy group, they just sit on their asses and taking bribes.... how many police generals etc, do they have for how many lower ranks when I go to Samut Prakarn immigration, also police, right... 15 counters and maybe 2 or 3 are actively serving people, the rest is playing phone, taking 20th brake of the day, etc... if there is really a shortage, do something about effectivity , but that is not a word in a thai dic I think you are exaggerating........🤗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Off topic deflection posts and the replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geisha Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, AhFarangJa said: Must be a knock on effect from the computerisation of automatic speeding fines, etc. Tea money taking a big hit. Thai household debt is very high I believe. In our village there are always meetings and announcements that it is time to pay the government their instalment on loans, or interest will be added................cannot get blood from a stone, they borrow but do not have the concept, or the means to repay the banks. Well, we have all seen the effects that living on debt has, Thailand a perfect example. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptic7 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Time to step up the extortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreasyFingers Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 They need to get a visa to Australia, just advertised $30,000 per year to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, TheFishman1 said: Yeah I don’t know I would stop by traffic cop my big bike the first time in over two years and he wants to take my license and he said to go to police station it cost 1000 or just give him 500 so I didn’t have time to go to the police station. I just gave him 500. I’m thinking the guy stopped 10 and 20 people a day they must make a pretty good income, TIT What debt? Obviously not creative enough.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, transam said: Our lad is a sergeant cop, so I actually know all about salary, loans and debt....😉 Be interesting to hear his factual answers to things like salary, paying for uniform, buying ammunition, little black book with exemption from prosecution payments etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil1964 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 6 hours ago, webfact said: Police General Torsak Sukvimol has indicated that a multitude of law enforcement officers across Thailand are facing impending bankruptcy due to an accumulated debt totalling around 300 billion baht. This revelation came about during his interaction with the House committee tasked with reviewing the 2024 annual budget expenditure bill. Pol. Gen. Torsak was summoned to respond to inquiries concerning the Royal Thai Police’s (RTP) 117 billion baht budget allotment. He openly addressed the committee, revealing the dire financial straits many officers are in, with some even struggling to own a home due to their enormous debt, reported Bangkok Post. “Regarding welfare housing, I am asking for a budget to build central flats for officers. If their living conditions improve, they will feel more motivated to serve and protect the people.” Pol. Gen. Torsak further stressed the importance of enhancing the quality of life for police officers to inspire them to be more dedicated to maintaining peace and order. “Every project undertaken by the RTP is accountable and transparent. If there is something suspicious, I will not sign it.” Pol. Gen. Torsak also highlighted staffing issues caused by the Covid-19 pandemic over the past three years. He cited an instance of a police station near Bangkok, built to accommodate up to 200 officers, being understaffed by half. This shortage subsequently burdens the remaining officers, who are tasked with serving approximately 400,000 locals, including the unregistered populace. In response to the shortage of police investigators, Pol. Gen. Torsak mentioned that several units were actively seeking solutions. He partly attributed this problem to other state agencies borrowing police investigators for their operations, resulting in a pressing need for replacements to avoid exacerbating the shortage. Until a resolution is found, police stations have been forced to reassess staff deployment, reassigning some personnel and sending others to stations critically short of staff. by Mitch Connor Photo courtesy of Bangkok Post Full story: The Thaiger 2024-02-22 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe Waiting for Big Joke to back up this big joke of a sob story to justify more and bigger brown envelopes and extortion rackets for numerous police officers to 'indulge' themselves in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Curiosity got me on this one. I had a look at what the current monthly pay is for police officers. It's not so bad after the first five years but it's never enough to afford a Ferrari that's for sure. https://www.salaryexplorer.com/average-salary-wage-comparison-thailand-police-officer-c215j504 In addition to this there is free health care for a police officers family and also free education for the children. I'm not sure about any other perks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 30 minutes ago, dallen52 said: Be interesting to hear his factual answers to things like salary, paying for uniform, buying ammunition, little black book with exemption from prosecution payments etc. A lot of that is cr@p..........🤭 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Start enforcing traffic laws! People would be surprised the revenue it would generate . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, dallen52 said: What debt? Obviously not creative enough.. Wrong color ,me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 hours ago, TheFishman1 said: Yeah I don’t know I would stop by traffic cop my big bike the first time in over two years and he wants to take my license and he said to go to police station it cost 1000 or just give him 500 so I didn’t have time to go to the police station. I just gave him 500. I’m thinking the guy stopped 10 and 20 people a day they must make a pretty good income, TIT next time call his bluff. tell him yes lets go station do real ticket. good chance he will not want to waste that time as he could be working others and not taking you to the station for a long bla bla bla session. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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