Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[transam]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't include all Palestinians in that. While the world has been watching Gaza, Al Jazeera has been keeping us up to date with the atrocities going on in the West Bank. IMO israel is trying to provoke an uprising there- cue Gaza version 2. Probably why they need the US to send them so many bombs.

Perhaps Israel is now covering all its bases.......🤗

But you carry on with your news source....😉

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Answering a question with a question, typical.

Yes, you ask a question but give no opinion yourself first, typical.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't include all Palestinians in that. While the world has been watching Gaza, Al Jazeera has been keeping us up to date with the atrocities going on in the West Bank. IMO israel is trying to provoke an uprising there- cue Gaza version 2. Probably why they need the US to send them so many bombs.

No, you will find that is Iran but as you say you watch Al Jazeera

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's an ironic quote from the guy you quoted, as the head of the UN also said that October 7 did not happen in a vacuum. Indeed it did not- many many years of oppression went into the planning for that.

Seems that some are not willing to look at both sides. I look at both sides, on the one side I see an oppressor, and on the other I see the oppressed.

That's an ironic quote from the guy you quoted,

 

Instead of referring to me as the "guy you quoted" you could always respond to me directly and I could explain the context myself rather than you speculating on why I said it.

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't include all Palestinians in that. While the world has been watching Gaza, Al Jazeera has been keeping us up to date with the atrocities going on in the West Bank. IMO israel is trying to provoke an uprising there- cue Gaza version 2. Probably why they need the US to send them so many bombs.

That is the problem you prefer to believe AJ propaganda!

 

Al Jazeera has also been accused of pushing Hamas propaganda, repeatedly broadcasting statements by Hamas' military and political leaders calling for a broader uprising and aligning themselves closely with Hamas' preferred language for the conflict.^[177] In addition, Israel accused several journalists of Al Jazeera of assisting or commanding Hamas units in their fight against Israel.^[178][179]

 

^{https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism#:~:text=Al Jazeera has also been,preferred language for the conflict.}

[Bkk Brian]

Iran’s Plans for an October 7 in the West Bank

Iran has proxies in the West Bank and of course it has always sought to arm them, but this new smuggling route seems to be have worked smoothly for the past two years. In response, Israel has been conducting a crackdown across the West Bank in an attempt to shut down the smuggling. In effect, Israel is working to prevent a second October 7.

For its efforts, Israel of course has been on the receiving end of complaints that it is too heavy-handedly policing the spread of illegal arms intended to carry out what at this moment would be an apocalyptic explosion of violence and chaos that Iran seeks to unleash on the world. 

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/irans-plans-for-an-october-7-in-the-west-bank/

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

That is the problem you prefer to believe AJ propaganda!

 

Al Jazeera has also been accused of pushing Hamas propaganda, repeatedly broadcasting statements by Hamas' military and political leaders calling for a broader uprising and aligning themselves closely with Hamas' preferred language for the conflict.^[177] In addition, Israel accused several journalists of Al Jazeera of assisting or commanding Hamas units in their fight against Israel.^[178][179]

 

^{https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism#:~:text=Al Jazeera has also been,preferred language for the conflict.}

They are directly promoting Hamas recruitment now. 

 

https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1778009203749060704

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

I agree with you, that would fit the narrative. 

Of course you do, what channel do you watch again? Oh yes, Hamas promoting Al Jazeera

[Jeff the Chef]

28 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes you make excuses for terrorism. I don't. That is why there is a war. To seek justice for their murderous acts

 

24 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

And prior to 7/10 is all forgotten about?

 

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What do you think?

 

17 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Answering a question with a question, typical.

 

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes, you ask a question but give no opinion yourself first, typical.

 

Your problem is you are a one trick pony, with you it's all OK as long as Israel keeps the upper hand in any of this it's all good, giving any concessions to the Palestinians no matter what the outcome of this conflict, is no good, no matter what the Palestinians say after this is over.

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I agree with you, that would fit the narrative. 

You agree with TBL because he is the only poster you haven't got on 'ignore'! A very disingenuous way to conduct yourself on a forum.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Your problem is you are a one trick pony, with you it's all OK as long as Israel keeps the upper hand in any of this it's all good, giving any concessions to the Palestinians no matter what the outcome of this conflict, is no good, no matter what the Palestinians say after this is over.

 

The problem is I don't fall for obvious off topic baiting. So your not going to give an opinion but expect me to. Then make things up about what I think.

[Neeranam]

It's feels as if Israel don't want to stop the killing of Gazans. 

 

• Political chief Ismail Haniyeh says Hamas won’t change its position in ceasefire talks after Israel killed three of his sons and four grandchildren in an attack on the first day of Eid al-Fitr.

 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/11/israels-war-on-gaza-live-hamas-says-netanyahu-hindering-ceasefire-chances

[paddypower]

48 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

But you operate whit a selective mind and understanding, and many people do.

 

No I operate with priority matters in order, first job get rid of Hamas the terrorists because of their actions and ongoing risks for further atrocities, second job is working on solutions. That's how these things work, you'll even find I have no need to insult other peoples intelligence along the way.

You express your opinions well. But I'll try to nail you down on this one, Brain. 'First job is to get rid of Hamas'. how would you do that, any differently than Israel is doing? would you bomb 10k, 20k 30k. would it include indiscriminate killing of women, children and (lately) international aid workers? To be even more precise, let us borrow on the reality that exists - if there is a suspected Hamas fighter who looks like he is standing behind what appears to be a a hostage (doesn't matter Israeli or Palestinian) would you shoot him, through the 'hostage' because that is what you describe as 'your 'job' ?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, paddypower said:

You express your opinions well. But I'll try to nail you down on this one, Brain. 'First job is to get rid of Hamas'. how would you do that, any differently than Israel is doing? would you bomb 10k, 20k 30k. would it include indiscriminate killing of women, children and (lately) international aid workers? To be even more precise, let us borrow on the reality that exists - if there is a suspected Hamas fighter who looks like he is standing behind what appears to be a a hostage (doesn't matter Israeli or Palestinian) would you shoot him, through the 'hostage' because that is what you describe as 'your 'job' ?

Here, an expert give his professional opinion, I agree with everything he says. What would you do to get rid of the terrorists?

 

Israel Has Created a New Standard for Urban Warfare. Why Will No One Admit It? | Opinion

Israel has not created a gold standard in civilian harm mitigation in war. That implies there is a standard in civilian casualties in war that is acceptable or not acceptable; that zero civilian deaths in war is remotely possible and should be the goal; that there is a set civilian-to-combatant ratio in war no matter the context or tactics of the enemy. But all available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties to historically low levels.

Those calling for Israel to find an alternative to inflicting civilian casualties to lower amounts (like zero) should be honest that this alternative would leave the Israeli hostages in captivity and allow Hamas to survive the war. The alternative to a nation's survival cannot be a path to extinction.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

 

Israel Implemented More Measures to Prevent Civilian Casualties Than Any Other Nation in History | Opinion

The reality is that when it comes to avoiding civilian harm, there is no modern comparison to Israel's war against Hamas. Israel is not fighting a battle like Fallujah, Mosul, or Raqqa; it is fighting a war involving synchronous major urban battles. No military in modern history has faced over 30,000 urban defenders in more than seven cities using human shields and hiding in hundreds of miles of underground networks purposely built under civilian sites, while holding hundreds of hostages.

Despite the unique challenges Israel faces in its war against Hamas, it has implemented more measures to prevent civilian casualties than any other military in history.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613

 

[Rimmer]

Some off topic pointless bickering posts between the usual suspects have been removed, these pointless disagreements between one or two people are killing the topic, also continued discussion of the historical background which has previously been done to death are also killing the topic, its all been said and discussed many times before.

 

Can we keep to the guidelines of the topic please which is about daily events and updates and developments linked to a credible news source.

 

Here is the guidelines from the top of the page covering Israel is at war topic

Latest developments and discussion of events in the Israel-Hamas War. Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It's feels as if Israel don't want to stop the killing of Gazans. 

 

• Political chief Ismail Haniyeh says Hamas won’t change its position in ceasefire talks after Israel killed three of his sons and four grandchildren in an attack on the first day of Eid al-Fitr.

 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/11/israels-war-on-gaza-live-hamas-says-netanyahu-hindering-ceasefire-chances

Agreed. Did they think that if they murdered his 3 sons he'd just give up? Now he wants revenge for them. Any psychologist would have told them that, so one suspects they did it for that reason, to keep the conflict going. After all, there were suggestions that Hamas might have agreed to a hostage release in ongoing discussion, but I'd say those discussions will be as dead as the Dodo now. Job done.

[Wobblybob]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agreed. Did they think that if they murdered his 3 sons he'd just give up? Now he wants revenge for them. Any psychologist would have told them that, so one suspects they did it for that reason, to keep the conflict going. After all, there were suggestions that Hamas might have agreed to a hostage release in ongoing discussion, but I'd say those discussions will be as dead as the Dodo now. Job done.

Why would he want revenge he seems quite happy his terrorist sons are martyrs now. Their life starts when they die, that is the men of course, what the women get is not the same, they get to wash the dishes.🥴

Edited April 11 by Wobblybob

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, paddypower said:

Oh, you mean Newsweek, the home of White Anglo-American Protestant conservatives Republican wits like George Will and so on? ''You're a shallow man, Robert Shallow''.

No I mean John Spencer, Urban Warfare specialist, poor deflection but good to see how weak your response was to my question

 

https://www.johnspenceronline.com/urban-warfare

Edited April 11 by Bkk Brian

[Wobblybob]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

It's feels as if Israel don't want to stop the killing of Gazans. 

 

• Political chief Ismail Haniyeh says Hamas won’t change its position in ceasefire talks after Israel killed three of his sons and four grandchildren in an attack on the first day of Eid al-Fitr.

 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/11/israels-war-on-gaza-live-hamas-says-netanyahu-hindering-ceasefire-chances

Here is Ismail Haniyeh celebrating the beastial attacks of 7/10, strange how you seem to lament the loss of his terrorist sons.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Here is Ismail Haniyeh celebrating the beastial attacks of 7/10, strange how you seem to lament the loss of his terrorist sons.

 

 

 

Watching their favourite channel Al Jazeera. Said to have a personal fortune of $4 Billion living the life of luxury with the other Hamas leaders in Qatar, the corrupt cowards. 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agreed. Did they think that if they murdered his 3 sons he'd just give up? Now he wants revenge for them. Any psychologist would have told them that, so one suspects they did it for that reason, to keep the conflict going. After all, there were suggestions that Hamas might have agreed to a hostage release in ongoing discussion, but I'd say those discussions will be as dead as the Dodo now. Job done.

And his grandchildren! 

Yes, it's clear Netanyahu doesn't want peace alongside Palestinians; he wants all the land by any means possible. He rejects a two state solution. A madman. 

 

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

And his grandchildren! 

Yes, it's clear Netanyahu doesn't want peace alongside Palestinians; he wants all the land by any means possible. He rejects a two state solution. A madman. 

 

What madman would allow his grandchildren to travel with them knowingly that they themselves are terrorists, pretty irresponsible parents if you ask me.🥴

[xylophone]

44 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, it's clear Netanyahu doesn't want peace alongside Palestinians; he wants all the land by any means possible. He rejects a two state solution. A madman. 

The peace talks are a farce and one reason (amongst others) why Hamas are proposing such "uneven" conditions could be based on the following; killed whilst captive?.....

 

As part of those ceasefire talks, Hamas informed Israel on Wednesday that it could not locate 40 Israeli hostages in Gaza, who the Israelis had hoped would be released as part of a proposed first step in a deal, a senior Israeli and a senior Hamas official said.

There are about 100 living hostages remaining in Gaza, according to Israeli officials. 

 

 

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

The peace talks are a farce and one reason (amongst others) why Hamas are proposing such "uneven" conditions could be based on the following; killed whilst captive?...

What do you mean by 'uneven conditions' ? 

[Danny Australia]

 

Gaza aid delivery: Videos and eyewitness accounts cast doubt on Israel’s timeline of food distribution that turned deadly | CNN

 

CNN extensive investigation supported by videos and eyewitness accounts cast doubt on Israel’s story in relation to what has been knows as the ‘Flour Massacre’.

Aid delivery trucks were targeted on February 29 when Israeli soldiers accompanying the humanitarian convoy opened fire. More than 100 people were killed and 700 injured, according to Gaza’s health ministry.

 

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Gaza aid delivery: Videos and eyewitness accounts cast doubt on Israel’s timeline of food distribution that turned deadly | CNN

 

CNN extensive investigation supported by videos and eyewitness accounts cast doubt on Israel’s story in relation to what has been knows as the ‘Flour Massacre’.

Aid delivery trucks were targeted on February 29 when Israeli soldiers accompanying the humanitarian convoy opened fire. More than 100 people were killed and 700 injured, according to Gaza’s health ministry.

 

Maybe there was one Hamas member among them, which gives them the right to murder them all. 

[Wobblybob]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Maybe there was one Hamas member among them, which gives them the right to murder them all. 

Get the conspiracy theories in quick and whatever you do believe the terrorists version of events!

[Danny Australia]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agreed. Did they think that if they murdered his 3 sons he'd just give up? Now he wants revenge for them. Any psychologist would have told them that, so one suspects they did it for that reason, to keep the conflict going. After all, there were suggestions that Hamas might have agreed to a hostage release in ongoing discussion, but I'd say those discussions will be as dead as the Dodo now. Job done.

 

Many mainstream media headlines focus on the assassination of the three sons of the Hamas political wing chief while overlooking the terrible unforgivable crime of killing his four innocent grandchildren.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Many mainstream media headlines focus on the assassination of the three sons of the Hamas political wing chief while overlooking the terrible unforgivable crime of killing his four innocent grandchildren.

 

 

What unforgivable crime would that be? How do you know it was intended to kill the grandchildren?

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Gaza aid delivery: Videos and eyewitness accounts cast doubt on Israel’s timeline of food distribution that turned deadly | CNN

 

CNN extensive investigation supported by videos and eyewitness accounts cast doubt on Israel’s story in relation to what has been knows as the ‘Flour Massacre’.

Aid delivery trucks were targeted on February 29 when Israeli soldiers accompanying the humanitarian convoy opened fire. More than 100 people were killed and 700 injured, according to Gaza’s health ministry.

 

CNN calls on Palestinian witnesses that were in the crowds to wrap up there investigation. Sounds legit