Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[owl sees all]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Hamas can be eradicated and the process is already in motion

IMO, all these new young western supporters of Palestine  are having a detrimental effect on their cause 

I don't hear of many Hamas being captured or killed. Just women and kids dying.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I don't hear of many Hamas being captured or killed. Just women and kids dying.

 

  That shows that you don't know what is going on in Gaza and that you only listen to pro Hamas news outlets .

  Other  Unbiased media outlets give different reports about there being minimal civilian casualties compared to other wars  

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  That shows that you don't know what is going on in Gaza and that you only listen to pro Hamas news outlets .

  Other  Unbiased media outlets give different reports about there being minimal civilian casualties compared to other wars  

Realy Nick.

 

The IDF force said that 20% of the people killed in Gaza were Hamas. So the 80% were not. That's about 25k+. Mostly women and kids.

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There is a recent dedicated topic to Casually figures here:

 

UN Cuts Death of Women and Children in Gaza by Half

https://aseannow.com/topic/1327151-un-cuts-death-of-women-and-children-in-gaza-by-half/

 

If you want to carry on that discussion then I suggest you do so there.

 

[Hummin]

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Hamas can be eradicated and the process is already in motion

IMO, all these new young western supporters of Palestine  are having a detrimental effect on their cause 

The more I read of pro Israelis, I truly believe they hurt Israelis cause as much as pro Palestinians do, if not more.

 

To many hardcore religious nut cases, and also people without emphasis for palestinian women and children who never have been privileged, though living inside Gaza, resticted freedom, controlled by Isreal  and Hamas. All of them forced away from their homes, bombed, shot at, starved and with no safe heavens anywhere. 

 

Thats inhumane 

[Nick Carter icp]

22 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The more I read of pro Israelis, I truly believe they hurt Israelis cause as much as pro Palestinians do, if not more.

 

To many hardcore religious nut cases, and also people without emphasis for palestinian women and children who never have been privileged, though living inside Gaza, resticted freedom, controlled by Isreal  and Hamas. All of them forced away from their homes, bombed, shot at, starved and with no safe heavens anywhere. 

 

Thats inhumane 

 

   War isn't pleasant at all and people suffer in wars .

Hostages are being help in inhumane conditions and the only way to release them is to go into Gaza and get them .

   Hamas are causing all the suffering of the Israelis and Palestinians 

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   War isn't pleasant at all and people suffer in wars .

Hostages are being help in inhumane conditions and the only way to release them is to go into Gaza and get them .

   Hamas are causing all the suffering of the Israelis and Palestinians 

Again going in circles, 

 

Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Again going in circles, 

 

Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact

You're the only one going in circles. That's the fact. 

 

It was global hostage day yesterday. Listen/read  what they had to say.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Hamas tactics, hide amongst the civilians even with your RPG

 

This Islamic Jihad fighter is doing the old "hide my rifle or RPG in a rug while wearing civilian clothing, so the IDF does not notice I am a terrorist" tactic.

 

https://x.com/JoeTruzman/status/1791965103241490837

 

[Wobblybob]

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Again going in circles, 

 

Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact

You saying that the Israeli tactics has failed is simply not true, they would have failed the hostages by not trying to save them and by not going into Gaza would have left the door open for future hostage taking and massacres. Now that's what I call a fact!

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Again going in circles, 

 

Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact

 

  Its an on going process and soon all the hostages will be freed .

Rafah is the final place  .

   Its also not a fact that Israel have failed the hostages , that's just your opinion 

[Neeranam]

57 minutes ago, Hummin said:

To many hardcore religious nut cases, and also people without emphasis for palestinian women and children who never have been privileged, though living inside Gaza, resticted freedom, controlled by Isreal  and Hamas

I agree with you, and this guy. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I agree with you, and this guy. 

 

 

Cloud cuckoo land. How do you get to a 2 state solution Neeranam? What needs to happen first?

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I don't hear of many Hamas being captured or killed. Just women and kids dying.

They capture UN medical experts, who are reportedly tortured to death. 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I agree with you, and this guy. 

 

 

 

   Hopefully when Hamas have been eliminated and a new Palestinian leadership emerges , hopefully they will agree to a two state solution and they recognise Israel's right to exist .

[owl sees all]

56 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Cloud cuckoo land. How do you get to a 2 state solution Neeranam? What needs to happen first?

Can't see a 2 state ever working.

 

One answer could be one state where everyone is equal. and has equal rights. Any land that has been taken. given back to the people who it rightly belongs to.

[Jingthing]

Just now, owl sees all said:

Can't see a 2 state ever working.

 

One answer could be one state where everyone is equal. and has equal rights. Any land that has been taken. given back to the people who it rightly belongs to.

To Palestinians, that's all of Israel, so nice try, no cigar.

I agree two states can't work but neither can one state as you've described.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hopefully when Hamas have been eliminated and a new Palestinian leadership emerges , hopefully they will agree to a two state solution and they recognise Israel's right to exist .

I'm more hawkish than you influenced by reality.

Neither side wants a two state solution.

October 7 terrorists went after the most PEACENIK segments of the Israeli public. 

Trust in Palestinians has been killed completely for generations. Yes it was already bad but now it is totally gone.
Israel cannot and will not agree to a two state solution. They will correctly see that as a way for the Arab side to consolidate their military for their real and clear goal -- totally wiping out Israel. No other sovereign state would voluntary agree to designing their own national suicide. Why does much of the world expect the one tiny Jewish nation to do what they would never do?

Edited May 19 by Jingthing

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

Can't see a 2 state ever working.

 

One answer could be one state where everyone is equal. and has equal rights. Any land that has been taken. given back to the people who it rightly belongs to.

Complex subject that requires more than a tweet and a whole lot of other steps to fall in place first. Like end to the war, easily done by releasing the hostages.

[owl sees all]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Complex subject that requires more than a tweet and a whole lot of other steps to fall in place first. Like end to the war, easily done by releasing the hostages.

Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that.

So the Israelis are holding innocent toddlers and elderly Arab holocaust survivors?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, owl sees all said:

Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that.

You just blew it, pathetic response

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that.

 

   Are you trolling ?

Israel isn't holding any hostages , its just Hamas who are holding hostages 

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Are you trolling ?

Israel isn't holding any hostages , its just Hamas who are holding hostages 

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge?

About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial.

Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge?

About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial.

Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails

 

   They are not being held hostage though 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge?

About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial.

Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails

One of the children, 17 years old and they are not being held hostage.

 

 

This is a hostage who was also raped before being taken to Gaza and where she is probably still getting raped in the hellish tunnels:

 

 

[vinny41]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They are not being held hostage though 

Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord

Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord

 

administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing

Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp

In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, vinny41 said:

Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord

Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord

 

administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing

Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp

In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45

Another hostage just retrieved by the IDF, murdered by Hamas and held hostage for over 200 days:

 

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[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord

Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord

 

administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing

Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp

In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45

 

   Look up the word "Hostage".

A person being held and demands being made for their release .

No demands are being made or wanted for the Palestine release from jail