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Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

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  • thaibeachlovers
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    Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM. Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses

  • Jeff the Chef
    Jeff the Chef

    The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2023, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).  

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    Jeff the Chef

    Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced th

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Israeli settler leader Daniella Weiss, head of the Nahala settlement movement and former mayor of Kedumim, an Israeli settlement located in the West Bank, said that “no Arab will remain in Gaza” after the war and that those “who want to have a quiet life” should migrate to other countries.

 

 

From another interview:

"All of Gaza belongs to the Land of Israel."

"We've just seen the Arabs leaving their homes, we have to invade."

 

 

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Israeli settler leader Daniella Weiss, head of the Nahala settlement movement and former mayor of Kedumim, an Israeli settlement located in the West Bank, said that “no Arab will remain in Gaza” after the war and that those “who want to have a quiet life” should migrate to other countries.

 

 

From another interview:

"All of Gaza belongs to the Land of Israel."

"We've just seen the Arabs leaving their homes, we have to invade."

 

 

Disgusting.

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3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Disgusting.

Agreed but her views do not represent the Israeli government. 

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17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Agreed but her views do not represent the Israeli government. 

All the settlers she leads are licking their lips at all the land they think will be up for grabs. 

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16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Agreed but her views do not represent the Israeli government. 

 

This is debatable to say the least. I don't want to go off-topic but just for context, Daniella Weiss supports Netanyahu, whose policies are in line with her vision:

 

Israeli settlers have high hopes after Netanyahu election win

But among ideological settlers who see themselves as pioneers redeeming Biblical heartland promised by God, hopes are already high for budgets, construction and infrastructure to keep their enterprise thriving.

"Our expectations are great," said Daniella Weiss, a veteran settler who led the tiny scouting mission. "This government is better for the Jews than it is for the Arabs. That's the name of the game."

Weiss described the election results as a revolution. "As a person heading a settlement movement, it's a victory," she said. "I have no doubt there will be acceleration in development of the settlements."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-have-high-hopes-after-netanyahu-election-win-2022-11-07/

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

From another interview:

"All of Gaza belongs to the Land of Israel."

"We've just seen the Arabs leaving their homes, we have to invade."

I had no idea that the settlers made up 10% of Israel's population! 

More than 700,000 settlers – 10 percent of Israel’s nearly 7 million population – now live in 150 settlements and 128 outposts dotting the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

A settlement is authorised by the Israeli government while an outpost is built without government authorisation. Outposts can range from a small shanty of a few people to a community of up to 400 people.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-settlers-and-why-do-they-live-on-palestinian-lands

 

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Agreed but her views do not represent the Israeli government. 

 

She's leader of the settlers. She speaks for the settlers, all of them presumably. She's not some random cleaning lady even if she looks like one.

In an unprecedented legal development, senior Australian politicians, including Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, have been referred to the International Criminal Court (ICC) for investigation into whether they have aided or supported Israel’s actions in Gaza.

 

The referral, made by the Sydney law firm Birchgrove Legal on behalf of their clients, is the first time any serving Australian political leaders have been formally referred to the ICC for investigation.

 

The referral asserts that Albanese, Foreign Minister Penny Wong, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton and other members of the government have violated the Rome Statute, the 1998 treaty that established the ICC to investigate and prosecute allegations of war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity.

 

https://theconversation.com/why-have-anthony-albanese-and-other-politicians-been-referred-to-the-icc-over-the-gaza-war-225079

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20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

She's leader of the settlers. She speaks for the settlers, all of them presumably. She's not some random cleaning lady even if she looks like one.

Indeed, she represents 10% of the total population. 

 

John Spencer chairman of urban warfare studies at West Point described Israels achievement as unprecedented, especially given the complex combat conditions.

A lot of people would agree that Hamas themselves are responsible for more Palestian deaths than anyone else.

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed, she represents 10% of the total population. 

 

No she doesn't, Israel has a total population of over 9 million. A.J. obviously was referring to the Jewish population only.

Back on topic to the daily developments in the war. a reminder of where the rats hide amongst the civilians, the most senior Hamas figure killed so far was lurking in his tunnel under a refugee camp. Human shields above him.

 

US reports death of senior Hamas military leader Marwan Issa

As deputy military commander, Mr Issa would be Hamas's most senior leader to die since the war began on 7 October.

Israeli media sources have reported that Mr Issa was killed in a strike on a tunnel complex under the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza last week.

 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68578735#:~:text=US reports death of senior Hamas military leader Marwan Issa

Another one of Hamas leaders hiding in Shifa hospital has been eliminated.

 

 

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

She's leader of the settlers. She speaks for the settlers, all of them presumably. She's not some random cleaning lady even if she looks like one.

Don't be so stupid.

No group is a monolith.

Not all settlers are right wing extremists.

Many are there mainly because they can't afford decent housing in regular Israel.

Everything has to black and white with you. The real world is much more complicated.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't be so stupid.

No group is a monolith.

Not all settlers are right wing extremists.

Many are there mainly because they can't afford decent housing in regular Israel.

Everything has to black and white with you. The real world is much more complicated.

 

She holds an elected position. But, hey. You're the one who can't see any fault by Israel. I see both sides. You clearly don't.

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I certainly believe the heroes of the IDF beat up prisoners and parade ( humiliate ) them only in underpants, both of which are apparently crimes.

 

   If it was done solely to humiliate, then it would be a crime  , but if the intention was to search for weapons then it is allowed .

   They also were not paraded , they were told to remove their clothes and then wear other clothes , and someone filmed it without permission

26 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Another one of Hamas leaders hiding in Shifa hospital has been eliminated.

 

 

 

   At lease the IDF are making progress , he doesn't look like a woman or a child and he must be the first Palestinian non woman or child that is a casualty in this war

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Israeli settler leader Daniella Weiss, head of the Nahala settlement movement and former mayor of Kedumim, an Israeli settlement located in the West Bank, said that “no Arab will remain in Gaza” after the war and that those “who want to have a quiet life” should migrate to other countries.

 

 

From another interview:

"All of Gaza belongs to the Land of Israel."

"We've just seen the Arabs leaving their homes, we have to invade."

 

 

 

   There needs to be a solution to the problem , otherwise it will be a never ending war .

Something drastic needs to happen 

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

She holds an elected position. But, hey. You're the one who can't see any fault by Israel. I see both sides. You clearly don't.

More stupidity. Being elected doesn't mean your views gel with 100 percent of your region.

Stop lying about my views on Israel. 

Yeah you're a real 50 50 kind of guy.

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The posters that keep saying that they are neutral and unbiased and see both sides of the dispute are the most one sided biased posters on the site .

   Extremists who keep claiming to be moderates 

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The posters that keep saying that they are neutral and unbiased and see both sides of the dispute are the most one sided biased posters on the site .

   Extremists who keep claiming to be moderates 

Bingo.

I'm not neutral.

I support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself.

I know for a fact that Jews are indigenous to Israel and the leftist narrative of apartheid, "white" colonialization, and genocide is a crock.

I think Hamas set up a trap and Israel felt they had no choice but to fall into it resulting in Israel badly losing the PR war. Possibly permanent damage to the future of Israel. I hope not but Israel demonizers have cause for optimism.

I can also see that Israel has made mistakes and that Netanyahu has been a disaster.

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

More stupidity. Being elected doesn't mean your views gel with 100 percent of your region.

Stop lying about my views on Israel. 

Yeah you're a real 50 50 kind of guy.

 

I am. I have condemned Hamas. But that was 5 months ago now. When was the last Israeli strike killing civilians? Oh that's right, it was today. And every day.

 

Please give me a quick recap. Which actions of Israel have you "condemned"?

 

They may not have all voted for her but she is their leader and therefore does speak for all of them.

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I am. I have condemned Hamas. But that was 5 months ago now. When was the last Israeli strike killing civilians? Oh that's right, it was today. And every day.

 

Please give me a quick recap. Which actions of Israel have you "condemned"?

 

They may not have all voted for her but she is their leader and therefore does speak for all of them.

Yeah when Trump was president he spoke for me. Sure thing, dude.

He never got a majority of votes and never will. 

Hamas is on record as having every intention of doing October 7 attacks again and again and again and their intention is to kill all the Jews.

Yet to you it's a bad thing that Israel is stopping them at least for now.

Hamas still holds hostages as well. 

Calling for an unconditional cease fire is calling for Israel to surrender, and why should they?

I'm not going to play into your simple minded cheap gotcha condemn on demand game.

I said they made mistakes. 

I said Netanyahu shouldn't be in power.

Going back I doubt October 7 would have happened if Netanyahu wasn't in power then, but that doesn't mean he's to blame for what the Hamas terrorists did and continue to intend to do if they are effectively crushed by Israel.

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20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I am. I have condemned Hamas. But that was 5 months ago now. When was the last Israeli strike killing civilians? Oh that's right, it was today. And every day.

 

Please give me a quick recap. Which actions of Israel have you "condemned"?

 

They may not have all voted for her but she is their leader and therefore does speak for all of them.

You may have condemned Hamas but whether you were sincere about it is very suspect, you do nothing but berate Israel and accept the terrorists 'facts and figures' in this war. It is safe to say that Hamas is being manipulative with the figures that they are giving their gullible followers. They are conning you and you chose to believe these monsters that are capable of the worst and disgusting crimes unbelievable to mankind! 

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

You may have condemned Hamas but whether you were sincere about it is very suspect, you do nothing but berate Israel and accept the terrorists 'facts and figures' in this war. It is safe to say that Hamas is being manipulative with the figures that they are giving their gullible followers. They are conning you and you chose to believe these monsters that are capable of the worst and disgusting crimes unbelievable to mankind! 

Yeah I also don't find his "condemnation" at all sincere.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There needs to be a solution to the problem , otherwise it will be a never ending war .

Something drastic needs to happen 

 

Please clearly say what you mean by that.

What could the Israelis do when Hamas terrorists hide behind civilians and in hospitals? Relax and let them plan the next massacre?

They do what others did and would do in the same situation.

 

Remember "Operation Vigilant Resolve" and "Operation Phantom Fury" in 2004, when the US bombed the city of Faludscha? They used Phosphor bombs, uranium ammunition and cluster bombs.

 

By the way: Where are the arab brothers? Egypt could easily open their border for civilians? 

38 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah I also don't find his "condemnation" at all sincere.

 

Trust me you should. I'm a wasp with no known ancestors born outside Australia and no team allegiances. I call balls and strikes as I see them. It seems fundamental to me that every distinct population should have it's own state and I fail to understand why anybody should see it differently, especially Jews over all populations. The other major issue I have is why the Kurds don't have sovereignty over their own state. Does your head explode to contemplate that I can condemn both sides equally. Why exactly do you have a problem taking my statements at face value?

 

Again, It's Israel who is the bigger problem right now. On October 7th that would have been Hamas. Biden said the obstacle to peace is Netanyahu. I agree with him. It's not Israelis, it's Bibi and his extremist cabal of war criminals. I applaud that Israel killed the most senior Hamas official since october 7th but do rather wish he was in the Hague instead.

 

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