Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Better tell Google's Gemini then

 

 

 

Google Gemini can't even tell you if the electoral college is in the constitution. Useless.

 

From wikipedia: This requires the Jewish religion. That there are atheist in Israel is not in contention. It is as appropriate to consider one as Jewish who is decended from Jewish ancestors as it appropriate to consider me a christian because I was baptised. Jews are deeply connected to Judaism.

 

Orthodox Judaism and Conservative Judaism follow Jewish law (Halakha), deeming people to be Jewish if their mothers are Jewish or if they underwent a halakhic conversion. Reform Judaism and Reconstructionist Judaism accept both matrilineal and patrilineal descent as well as conversion. Karaite Judaism predominantly follows patrilineal descent as well as conversion.

 

A Jew is one who practices the Jewish religion, Judaism. This includes both converts and those who have been members of the Jewish religion since birth.

A Jew is one who is a descendant of the ancient Israelite ethnic group, and therefore is a member of the Jewish people. This includes those who may not be observantly religious, or may be irreligious altogether, and claim an overtly cultural connection.[10][11]

A Jew is one who, regardless of current religious identity, is directly descended from a Jewish ancestor. Traditionally, this has only applied to matrilineal ancestry, although some Jewish groups also recognize Jewishness by way of patrilineal descent.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

 

From wikipedia: This requires the Jewish religion. That there are atheist in Israel is not in contention. It is as appropriate to consider one as Jewish who is decended from Jewish ancestors as it appropriate to consider me a christian because I was baptised. Jews are deeply connected to Judaism.

 

Orthodox Judaism and Conservative Judaism follow Jewish law (Halakha), deeming people to be Jewish if their mothers are Jewish or if they underwent a halakhic conversion. Reform Judaism and Reconstructionist Judaism accept both matrilineal and patrilineal descent as well as conversion. Karaite Judaism predominantly follows patrilineal descent as well as conversion.

 

A Jew is one who practices the Jewish religion, Judaism. This includes both converts and those who have been members of the Jewish religion since birth.

A Jew is one who is a descendant of the ancient Israelite ethnic group, and therefore is a member of the Jewish people. This includes those who may not be observantly religious, or may be irreligious altogether, and claim an overtly cultural connection.[10][11]

A Jew is one who, regardless of current religious identity, is directly descended from a Jewish ancestor. Traditionally, this has only applied to matrilineal ancestry, although some Jewish groups also recognize Jewishness by way of patrilineal descent.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

 

You are arguing with Google, that's ok, up to you

[Wobblybob]

46 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

And, what is the value of 13,000 Hamas terrorists? Do they have less value than one Jewish child hostage? 

13,000 Hamas terrorists have no value in the slightest, only in your eyes Mr Smart, only in your eyes, the world will be a much better and safer place without them.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You are arguing with Google, that's ok, up to you

 

Your Gemini quote is derived directly from the wiki entry and is not comprehensive.

 

You should ,provide a proper link. We have no way to know if you have cherry picked from its response.

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Your Gemini quote is derived directly from the wiki entry and is not comprehensive.

 

You should ,provide a proper link. We have no way to know if you have cherry picked from its response.

 

I am not going to argue with AI or Wiki

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I am not going to argue with AI or Wiki

 

Nobody asked you to. Just provide a proper link. That said, failing to argue the merits is your default goto.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Nobody asked you to. Just provide a proper link.

LOL https://gemini.google.com/app/d42c264a60ba5505

 

Now a link to your claim that 

 100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes.

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

LOL https://gemini.google.com/app/d42c264a60ba5505

 

Now a link to your claim that 

 100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes.

 

Well, Gazans, obviously.

 

The entire population of the war-torn Gaza Strip — some 2.3 million people — is now living through "severe levels of acute food insecurity," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Tuesday.

 

"We also see — again, according to, in this case the United Nations, 100% — the totality of the population — is in need of humanitarian assistance. Compare that to Sudan; about 80% of the population there is in need of humanitarian assistance; Afghanistan, about 70%."

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-starvation-blinken-biden-netanyahu-rafah-operation/

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Well, Gazans obviously.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-starvation-blinken-biden-netanyahu-rafah-operation/

You know that does not back up your claim that "100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes."

 

 

[WDSmart]

36 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I thought Hebrew was a language.

Yes, most ethnicities have a name that is derived from their language, or maybe the name for the language is derived from the ethnicity:
- Arabs speak Arabic;

- Chinese speak Chinese;

- English speak English;

- French speak French;

- Brazilians speak Portugese - Ooops! Of course that's because they were occupied by Portugul in the past;
- Jews speak Hebrew.

 

Go figure... 

 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You know that does not back up your claim that "100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes."

 

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Do you deny the claim? Was it martians who caused this?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, most ethnicities have a name that is derived from their language, or maybe the name for the language is derived from the ethnicity:
- Arabs speak Arabic;

- Chinese speak Chinese;

- English speak English;

- French speak French;

- Brazilians speak Portugese - Ooops! Of course that's because they were occupied by Portugul in the past;
- Jews speak Hebrew.

 

Go figure... 

 

 

I have never heard of Jews being referred to as "Hebrews". You have the tail wagging the dog here.

 

 

[WDSmart]

28 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

13,000 Hamas terrorists have no value in the slightest, only in your eyes Mr Smart, only in your eyes, the world will be a much better and safer place without them.

But one Jewish child has value, is that what you are saying?

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Do you deny the claim? Was it martians who caused this?

That is also not a link to your claim which are blatant lies that you are happy to spread even when pulled up on it.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, most ethnicities have a name that is derived from their language, or maybe the name for the language is derived from the ethnicity:
- Arabs speak Arabic;

- Chinese speak Chinese;

- English speak English;

- French speak French;

- Brazilians speak Portugese - Ooops! Of course that's because they were occupied by Portugul in the past;
- Jews speak Hebrew.

 

Go figure... 

 

 

   Jews speak various languages , usually of the language of the Country they reside in .

Hebrew is the National language of Israel , which is spoken by people who live in Israel, be they Jews , Christians or Muslims , although Arabic is also spoken along with some other languages 

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I have never heard of Jews being referred to as "Hebrews". You have the tail wagging the dog here.

 

 

Definition of "Hebrew" from Oxford online dictionary:
 

1. a member of an ancient people living in what is now Israel and Palestine and, according to biblical tradition, descended from the patriarch Jacob, grandson of Abraham. After the Exodus (c. 1300 bc) they established the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and their scriptures and traditions form the basis of the Jewish religion.
2. a Semitic language used by the ancient Hebrews and in modern Israel.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

But one Jewish child had value, is that what you are saying?

 

   Innocent peoples lives have value , terrorists lives have no value 

[JustAnotherHun]

As long as the HAMAS terrorists hold children, women and elderly people - all civilians! - as hostages, the IDF should go ahead to whipe them out.

As long as those terrorists hide behind their own people, in hospitals and schools, there sadly will be a high death toll under civilians.

 

What was the term when th US forces bombed cities in Iraq and wedding parties in Afghanistan to kill Al Quaeda terrorists an islamists? Ah, right: "Collateral demage".

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Innocent peoples lives have value , terrorists lives have no value 

Thanks for clearing that up. And just who is it that determines if someone is innocent or a terrorist?

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

As long as the HAMAS terrorists hold children, women and elderly people - all civilians! - as hostages, the IDF should go ahead to whipe them out.

As long as those terrorists hide behind their own people, in hospitals and schools, there sadly will be a high death toll under civilians.

 

What was the term when th US forces bombed cities in Iraq and wedding parties in Afghanistan to kill Al Quaeda terrorists an islamists? Ah, right: "Collateral demage".

 

Disgusting advocacy of genocide.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Thanks for clearing that up. And just who is it that determines if someone is innocent or a terrorist?

 

   The book of law .

That book where laws are written down 

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, JustAnotherHun said:

As long as the HAMAS terrorists hold children, women and elderly people - all civilians! - as hostages, the IDF should go ahead to whipe them out.

As long as those terrorists hide behind their own people, in hospitals and schools, there sadly will be a high death toll under civilians.

 

What was the term when th US forces bombed cities in Iraq and wedding parties in Afghanistan to kill Al Quaeda terrorists an islamists? Ah, right: "Collateral demage".

 

"...children, women and elderly people"

How about young men? Are they okay to hold as hostages?

As long as the "terrorsts" hide behind their own people (civilians), the IDF is happy to justify killing those people.

Yes, the term used to mitigate the responsibility of killing non-combatants is "collateral damage." So you think "collateral damage" is okay, right? 

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The book of law .

That book where laws are written down 

What "book of law"?  And if there is one, it would only give definitions of "innocent" and "terrorist." It would not judge someone to be either. A person or group of people have to do that.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

What "book of law"?  And if there is one, it would only give definitions of "innocent" and "terrorist." It would not judge someone to be either. A person or group of people have to do that.

 

   There are books of law which states what crimes are .

I am not surprised that you didn't know that .

No doubt you take no notice if actual laws and just call anyone guilty and innocent , regardless of written laws .

  *Muslim Terrorists are innocent and Jewish  babies are guilty*

 

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

 

"...children, women and elderly people"

How about young men? Are they okay to hold as hostages?

As long as the "terrorsts" hide behind their own people (civilians), the IDF is happy to justify killing those people.

Yes, the term used to mitigate the responsibility of killing non-combatants is "collateral damage." So you think "collateral damage" is okay, right? 

 

The truth is that a military response to a terrorist attack is unwarranted. It should always be a judicial remedy. The Israeli response was collective punishment.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

The truth is that a military response to a terrorist attack is unwarranted. It should always be a judicial remedy. The Israeli response was collective punishment.

Who's truth is that? 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who's truth is that? 

 

Mine. Palestine is not a state and therefore there was no act of war.

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There are books of law which states what crimes are .

I am not surprised that you didn't know that .

No doubt you take no notice if actual laws and just call anyone guilty and innocent , regardless of written laws .

  *Muslim Terrorists are innocent and Jewish  babies are guilty*

 

I have never seen a legal book that defines "innocent" or "terrorist." 
I do judge people myself as being "innocent" or "terrorist," as I believe you do.
"Terrorists are terrorists, and babies are babies." Their religion/ethnicity has nothing to do with that. 

[JustAnotherHun]

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

 

"...children, women and elderly people"

How about young men? Are they okay to hold as hostages?

No

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As long as the "terrorsts" hide behind their own people (civilians), the IDF is happy to justify killing those people.

Why do you think the IDF is happy about? Did you watch cheering IDF-soldiers like the Hamas terrorists did in the streets of Gaza after raping and slaughtering Israeli civilians? Did you watch those videos?

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Yes, the term used to mitigate the responsibility of killing non-combatants is "collateral damage." So you think "collateral damage" is okay, right? 

No. That might be one the differences between me and Hamas terrorists

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Mine. Palestine is not a state and therefore there was no act of war.

LOL, your truth is worth nothing in the real world

 

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The truth is that a military response to a terrorist attack is unwarranted. It should always be a judicial remedy. The Israeli response was collective punishment.