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Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

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2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its nothing to do with morals or intent . During war situations in public areas, the public will get caught up in the conflict and become causalities , especially if one side hides behind the civilians in public buildings 

 

Why Israeli army was systematically going around and intentionally blowing up 'suspected' buildings even after they have fully taken control of them?

 

Why blowing up all universities, parliament building, schools, hospitals, museums, places of worship, water desalination plants, bakeries etc? No one was hiding behind those buildings as they were already under full IDF control.  

 

Then pro-Israel would then cunningly ask what contribution have the Palestinian people provided to humanity? They destroy their universities and schools then blame/accuse them of not being productive. 

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3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Nothing whatsoever to do with the claims by "WDSmart" and "Danny Australia" that I was responding to......

17 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

There never was a country called Palestine. It was a REGION, nothing else. Populated with Arabs and Jews. A paltestinian citizenship never existed in histoy.

...as the Jews did an do.

Israel has imho no intention to occupy Gaza permanently. They went in to fight Hamas-killers. It's their good right to act in self defence and whipe out those disgusting terrorists.

 

Your opinion aside, plenty of Israeli leaders have said they explicitly want to own all of Palestine on religious grounds. .

 

Meanwhile, you are silent on using famine as a weapon of war.

 

Prior to 1948 there was never a Jewish controlled nation state.

 

 

16 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I've addressed this before. 
 

"Jew" is used to describe BOTH an ethnicity and religious practice. The comparison would be between "Arab" and "Muslim," which are two terms. I've suggested that instead of using the term "Jew" for their ethnicity, the term "Hebrew" would be easier to distinguish whether you are referring to the ethnicity or religion. But, of course, for suggesting that, I was called "antisemitic."

 

I thought Hebrew was a language.

28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You exposed your ignorance here by asserting that Jew just means religion.

He is correct, you are wrong. No ethnicity is a religion. Next...

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Indeed, it will be the same next month too. The reality however:

 

  • The IPC has recently released a report presenting an image of hunger in Gaza. This report does not represent the current situation in Gaza in regards to food security and availability. Why?
  • Over the last few weeks, during the time this report was compiled, significant new initiatives were implemented that improved the humanitarian situation, particularly in northern Gaza. The report does not accurately reflect that and is outdated even before publication.
  • Steps taken by Israel: Over 200,000 tons of food entered Gaza since the start of the war, the maritime corridor was initiated, over 1,250 packages airdropped, over 150 aid trucks to northern Gaza in the last two weeks, crossing 96, the Jordanian route and 21 bakeries.
  • The steps mentioned above created a significant change in food availability and stability on the ground. There is a stable food supply in southern Gaza, where evidently markets are bustling, food prices are controlled and stocks are piled up in the aid agencies warehouses.
  • In northern Gaza, where 10%-15% of the Gaza population still remain, more and better distribution is necessary, which is why we are taking proactive measures to coordinate and facilitate aid to the north, as mentioned. 
  • We continue to expand our efforts to enable the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza. We have placed no limit on the amount of aid that can enter. It is in Hamas’ interest to cause a humanitarian crisis. Israel, on the other hand, is doing everything it can to prevent one.

https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1770163231090196680

 

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

He is correct, you are wrong. No ethnicity is a religion. Next...

Better tell Google's Gemini then

 

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28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Doubling down on your ignorance. Amazing!

If you start practicing the Rastafarian religion, could you call yourself a Rastafarian Jew?

If Jew was an ethnic term you could, but you can't as it isn't. 

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Indeed, it will be the same next month too. The reality however:

 

  • The IPC has recently released a report presenting an image of hunger in Gaza. This report does not represent the current situation in Gaza in regards to food security and availability. Why?
  • Over the last few weeks, during the time this report was compiled, significant new initiatives were implemented that improved the humanitarian situation, particularly in northern Gaza. The report does not accurately reflect that and is outdated even before publication.
  • Steps taken by Israel: Over 200,000 tons of food entered Gaza since the start of the war, the maritime corridor was initiated, over 1,250 packages airdropped, over 150 aid trucks to northern Gaza in the last two weeks, crossing 96, the Jordanian route and 21 bakeries.
  • The steps mentioned above created a significant change in food availability and stability on the ground. There is a stable food supply in southern Gaza, where evidently markets are bustling, food prices are controlled and stocks are piled up in the aid agencies warehouses.
  • In northern Gaza, where 10%-15% of the Gaza population still remain, more and better distribution is necessary, which is why we are taking proactive measures to coordinate and facilitate aid to the north, as mentioned. 
  • We continue to expand our efforts to enable the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza. We have placed no limit on the amount of aid that can enter. It is in Hamas’ interest to cause a humanitarian crisis. Israel, on the other hand, is doing everything it can to prevent one.

https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1770163231090196680

 

 

So you deny that 100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes.

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

So you deny that 100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes.

Can you provide evidence that 100% of the Palestinian population is facing famine because caused by Israel's war crimes

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Better tell Google's Gemini then

 

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Google Gemini can't even tell you if the electoral college is in the constitution. Useless.

 

From wikipedia: This requires the Jewish religion. That there are atheist in Israel is not in contention. It is as appropriate to consider one as Jewish who is decended from Jewish ancestors as it appropriate to consider me a christian because I was baptised. Jews are deeply connected to Judaism.

 

Orthodox Judaism and Conservative Judaism follow Jewish law (Halakha), deeming people to be Jewish if their mothers are Jewish or if they underwent a halakhic conversion. Reform Judaism and Reconstructionist Judaism accept both matrilineal and patrilineal descent as well as conversion. Karaite Judaism predominantly follows patrilineal descent as well as conversion.

 

A Jew is one who practices the Jewish religion, Judaism. This includes both converts and those who have been members of the Jewish religion since birth.

A Jew is one who is a descendant of the ancient Israelite ethnic group, and therefore is a member of the Jewish people. This includes those who may not be observantly religious, or may be irreligious altogether, and claim an overtly cultural connection.[10][11]

A Jew is one who, regardless of current religious identity, is directly descended from a Jewish ancestor. Traditionally, this has only applied to matrilineal ancestry, although some Jewish groups also recognize Jewishness by way of patrilineal descent.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

 

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

 

From wikipedia: This requires the Jewish religion. That there are atheist in Israel is not in contention. It is as appropriate to consider one as Jewish who is decended from Jewish ancestors as it appropriate to consider me a christian because I was baptised. Jews are deeply connected to Judaism.

 

Orthodox Judaism and Conservative Judaism follow Jewish law (Halakha), deeming people to be Jewish if their mothers are Jewish or if they underwent a halakhic conversion. Reform Judaism and Reconstructionist Judaism accept both matrilineal and patrilineal descent as well as conversion. Karaite Judaism predominantly follows patrilineal descent as well as conversion.

 

A Jew is one who practices the Jewish religion, Judaism. This includes both converts and those who have been members of the Jewish religion since birth.

A Jew is one who is a descendant of the ancient Israelite ethnic group, and therefore is a member of the Jewish people. This includes those who may not be observantly religious, or may be irreligious altogether, and claim an overtly cultural connection.[10][11]

A Jew is one who, regardless of current religious identity, is directly descended from a Jewish ancestor. Traditionally, this has only applied to matrilineal ancestry, although some Jewish groups also recognize Jewishness by way of patrilineal descent.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

 

You are arguing with Google, that's ok, up to you

46 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

And, what is the value of 13,000 Hamas terrorists? Do they have less value than one Jewish child hostage? 

13,000 Hamas terrorists have no value in the slightest, only in your eyes Mr Smart, only in your eyes, the world will be a much better and safer place without them.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You are arguing with Google, that's ok, up to you

 

Your Gemini quote is derived directly from the wiki entry and is not comprehensive.

 

You should ,provide a proper link. We have no way to know if you have cherry picked from its response.

 

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Your Gemini quote is derived directly from the wiki entry and is not comprehensive.

 

You should ,provide a proper link. We have no way to know if you have cherry picked from its response.

 

I am not going to argue with AI or Wiki

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I am not going to argue with AI or Wiki

 

Nobody asked you to. Just provide a proper link. That said, failing to argue the merits is your default goto.

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

LOL https://gemini.google.com/app/d42c264a60ba5505

 

Now a link to your claim that 

 100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes.

 

Well, Gazans, obviously.

 

The entire population of the war-torn Gaza Strip — some 2.3 million people — is now living through "severe levels of acute food insecurity," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Tuesday.

 

"We also see — again, according to, in this case the United Nations, 100% — the totality of the population — is in need of humanitarian assistance. Compare that to Sudan; about 80% of the population there is in need of humanitarian assistance; Afghanistan, about 70%."

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-starvation-blinken-biden-netanyahu-rafah-operation/

36 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I thought Hebrew was a language.

Yes, most ethnicities have a name that is derived from their language, or maybe the name for the language is derived from the ethnicity:
- Arabs speak Arabic;

- Chinese speak Chinese;

- English speak English;

- French speak French;

- Brazilians speak Portugese - Ooops! Of course that's because they were occupied by Portugul in the past;
- Jews speak Hebrew.

 

Go figure... 

 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You know that does not back up your claim that "100% of the Palestinian population are facing famine, caused by Israel's war crimes."

 

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Do you deny the claim? Was it martians who caused this?

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, most ethnicities have a name that is derived from their language, or maybe the name for the language is derived from the ethnicity:
- Arabs speak Arabic;

- Chinese speak Chinese;

- English speak English;

- French speak French;

- Brazilians speak Portugese - Ooops! Of course that's because they were occupied by Portugul in the past;
- Jews speak Hebrew.

 

Go figure... 

 

 

I have never heard of Jews being referred to as "Hebrews". You have the tail wagging the dog here.

 

 

28 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

13,000 Hamas terrorists have no value in the slightest, only in your eyes Mr Smart, only in your eyes, the world will be a much better and safer place without them.

But one Jewish child has value, is that what you are saying?

19 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Do you deny the claim? Was it martians who caused this?

That is also not a link to your claim which are blatant lies that you are happy to spread even when pulled up on it.

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, most ethnicities have a name that is derived from their language, or maybe the name for the language is derived from the ethnicity:
- Arabs speak Arabic;

- Chinese speak Chinese;

- English speak English;

- French speak French;

- Brazilians speak Portugese - Ooops! Of course that's because they were occupied by Portugul in the past;
- Jews speak Hebrew.

 

Go figure... 

 

 

   Jews speak various languages , usually of the language of the Country they reside in .

Hebrew is the National language of Israel , which is spoken by people who live in Israel, be they Jews , Christians or Muslims , although Arabic is also spoken along with some other languages 

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I have never heard of Jews being referred to as "Hebrews". You have the tail wagging the dog here.

 

 

Definition of "Hebrew" from Oxford online dictionary:
 

  1. a member of an ancient people living in what is now Israel and Palestine and, according to biblical tradition, descended from the patriarch Jacob, grandson of Abraham. After the Exodus (c. 1300 bc) they established the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and their scriptures and traditions form the basis of the Jewish religion.
  2. a Semitic language used by the ancient Hebrews and in modern Israel.
3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

But one Jewish child had value, is that what you are saying?

 

   Innocent peoples lives have value , terrorists lives have no value 

As long as the HAMAS terrorists hold children, women and elderly people - all civilians! - as hostages, the IDF should go ahead to whipe them out.

As long as those terrorists hide behind their own people, in hospitals and schools, there sadly will be a high death toll under civilians.

 

What was the term when th US forces bombed cities in Iraq and wedding parties in Afghanistan to kill Al Quaeda terrorists an islamists? Ah, right: "Collateral demage".

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Innocent peoples lives have value , terrorists lives have no value 

Thanks for clearing that up. And just who is it that determines if someone is innocent or a terrorist?

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