Just now, Hummin said:

Do you understand, it could had been the Palestinians who got the right of the land now called Israel? 

 

A tragic coincidence made it possible for the Jews to establish Israel, and here we are. 

 

 

The Arabs HAD a state based on the UN charter.

You have the right to your opinion that Israel should never have been allowed to exist.

But too late. It does and it isn't going anywhere.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No it didn't!

The Arabs that stayed became part of the 20 percent Arab Israeli citizens today.

Israel was never seeking 100 percent Jews. You're thinking of the Arabs that want Jew free states. 

But Israel can't continue to exist without a MAJORITY Jewish demographic.

If that offends you, so be it. That's the way it is. Israel won't commit national suicide to people to please the likes of you.

 

You have to understand, Im not the one to please! I see and reasoning whats happening. It is not personal for me, and once more, no matter which ethnic groups, religion or politics, I recognize suffering and criminal acts.

 

Especially when kids is involved. The kids form our future, and kids and grandchildren of palestinians is a product of the generations who constantly have being suppressed. 

 

Should not be suprised really how it all turned out.

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And therefor state of Israel should never existed in the first place, because the establishing state of Israel, automatically excluded people who lived there, and came from the area.

 

The only way Israel could exist, was because of massive deportation of people who had lived there for centuries and longer.

You conveniently forget to mention the large waves of Arabs from all over the Arab world that migrated to the British Mandate to take advantage of the economic opportunities related to Zionist pioneers. Those Arabs were certainly not "Palestinians" and were certainly not there for centuries. I'm hearing from you that don't accept that Jews are indigenous to Israel, but too bad for your narrative, they most definitely are.

Just now, Hummin said:

You have to understand, Im not the one to please! I see and reasoning whats happening. It is not personal for me, and once more, no matter which ethnic groups, religion or politics, I recognize suffering and criminal acts.

 

Especially when kids is involved. The kids form our future, and kids and grandchildren of palestinians is a product of the generations who constantly have being suppressed. 

 

Should not be suprised really how it all turned out.

The trouble with your narrative is that it's simple minded.

It blames ONE side when actually the conflict is incredibly complex. 

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I don't think you are allowed to say that 🙂

It is a conclusion without colors. The other way around would had been wrong to.

 

If the Arab states had more power after the ww2 supporting the Palestinias, it would had been the scenario where there where no more jews left. 

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The trouble with your narrative is that it's simple minded.

It blames ONE side when actually the conflict is incredibly complex. 

So Im simple minded now? 

 

At least we both agree on the complexity and for sure one way or the other there will be suffering. 

 

The peomised land, truly makes their people suffer. Meaning all people and religions. 

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is a conclusion without colors. The other way around would had been wrong to.

 

If the Arab states had more power after the ww2 supporting the Palestinias, it would had been the scenario where there where no more jews left. 

The Arab world wasn't supporting Palestinians because Palestinian identity didn't exist back then. They were opposing the creation of a Jewish state in a small part of the land that was the British Mandate, no matter how tiny.

Keep in the mind what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem did. He exiled to Berlin and got a promise from Adolph Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the Middle East after he was done with Jews in Europe.

Painting the Arabs as innocents in this sitation is a total crock!

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

They?

It's not current Israeli government policy.

"They," the [censored], who is in charge of the Israeli government right now.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So Im simple minded now? 

 

At least we both agree on the complexity and for sure one way or the other there will be suffering. 

 

The peomised land, truly makes their people suffer. Meaning all people and religions. 

I agree it's a big mess and I'm not one to suggest that I have the solutions to fix it.

Just now, WDSmart said:

"They," the [censored], who is in charge of the Israeli government right now.

I can't read your mind. 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The Arab world wasn't supporting Palestinians because Palestinian identity didn't exist back then. They were opposing the creation of a Jewish state in the land that was the British Mandate, no matter how tiny.

Keep in the mind what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem did. He exiled to Berlin and got a promise from Adolph Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the Middle East after he was done with Jews in Europe.

Painting the Arabs as innocents in this sitation is a total crock!

If you paid attention, I never painting anyone in that area innocent, except women and children. Civilians who suffering, and also to mention, being abused and used by and for world politics. 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If you paid attention, I never painting anyone in that area innocent, except women and children. Civilians who suffering, and also to mention, being abused and used by and for world politics. 

It's not necessarily about you just because I responded to your post.

I agree totally of course that civilian suffering especially children is horrible.

 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

It's not necessarily about you just because I responded to your post.

I agree totally of course that civilian suffering especially children is horrible.

 

Yet, you support what Israel are doing, this makes no sense. Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel?

40 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It is NOT based on religion. It is based on being a Jew. 

If Israel granted right of return to Palestinian Arabs which has been a demand from Palestinians, Israel would no longer exist. So nice try, no cigar. 

This statement makes no sense! 

It only makes sense because "Jew" can mean ethnicity or religion. 

33 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The Arabs HAD a state based on the UN charter.

You have the right to your opinion that Israel should never have been allowed to exist.

But too late. It does and it isn't going anywhere.

Israel may not be "going anyway," but I suspect it will be reduced in size under any two-state solution.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

It only makes sense because "Jew" can mean ethnicity or religion. 

This is true as Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds.

Just now, WDSmart said:

Israel may not be "going anyway," but I suspect it will be reduced in size under any two-state solution.

If there ever is a two state solution I would expect Israel would need to give up at least some it's illegal west bank settlements.

That's going to be very hard to sell politically in Israel. 

32 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The trouble with your narrative is that it's simple minded.

It blames ONE side when actually the conflict is incredibly complex. 

I certainly agree with your second sentence above!

 

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Yet, you support what Israel are doing, this makes no sense. Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel?

There you go again!
Do not put words in my mouth.

I have never said that I support everything Israeli governemts do.
Why do Israel demonizers feel the need to try to make very complex things so simple minded?

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This is true as Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds.

Interesting. I know a Rabbi that is a naturalized Thai. I know Sikhhs that have got Thai citizenship by birth and get equal rights. 

Do you know know any non-Jew who got Israeli citizenship by naturalization?

Maybe @Bkk Brian does? 

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

There you go again!
Do not put words in my mouth.

I have never said that I support everything Israeli governemts do.
Why do Israel demonizers feel the need to try to make very complex things so simple minded?

 Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel?

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This is true as Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds.

Yes, but now someone can be a "Jew" without having Jewish ethnicity, and an ethnic "Jew" can have left Judaism, 

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If there ever is a two state solution I would expect Israel would need to give up at least some it's illegal west bank settlements.

That's going to be very hard to sell politically in Israel. 

FINALLY! A post of yours with which I agree. And I know that doesn't mean you support doing this, but yes, any two-state solution will be very difficult because each side will have to give up, or at least adjust the boundaries on some territory, and neither side will want to do that.

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Interesting. I know a Rabbi that is a naturalized Thai. I know Sikhhs that have got Thai citizenship by birth and get equal rights. 

Do you know know any non-Jew who got Israeli citizenship by naturalization?

Maybe @Bkk Brian does? 

What's the point of asking me? Not once have you responded to one of my posts to you pulling you up on your false claims

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel?

My response was supposed to quote this post

 

18 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Without Us support, you know we would had a much worse scenario and also a much bigger problem. The west Aliance brake when Jerusalem falls. Simple as that

 

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The Arab world wasn't supporting Palestinians because Palestinian identity didn't exist back then. They were opposing the creation of a Jewish state in a small part of the land that was the British Mandate, no matter how tiny.

Keep in the mind what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem did. He exiled to Berlin and got a promise from Adolph Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the Middle East after he was done with Jews in Europe.

Painting the Arabs as innocents in this sitation is a total crock!

 

This is revisionist history.

 

In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I.

 

For some, the term "Palestinian" is used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by Palestinian Arabs from the late 19th century and in the pre-World War I period, while others assert the Palestinian identity encompasses the heritage of all eras from biblical times up to the Ottoman period

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

This is revisionist history.

 

In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

Written after Palestinian Arab identity became a thing. Duh.

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, but now someone can be a "Jew" without having Jewish ethnicity, and an ethnic "Jew" can have left Judaism, 

What's the problem?

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Written after Palestinian Arab identity became a thing. Duh.

 

All history texts are written after the fact. What is your point here?

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

All history texts are written after the fact. What is your point here?

Already said.

When the UN made the partition there were two states. One Jewish. One Arab. Not Palestinian. Arab.

Before Jews were as "Palestinian" as Arabs.