Durability of Chinese EVs

[HighPriority]

55 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

therefore for you it seems to be a main criteria how far a car goes with one full tank? seriously, what's wrong with you people ... I don't know anyone who is asking about the size of the gas tank!

 Your quote of mine refers to poster Rampant Rabbits demand that evs needed to have 1000km range, my point was that very few vehicles ev or ice have 1000km range.

When I purchased the Prado it was to be a daily drive for my wife and our two kids but also my tow vehicle for me and my fishing boat, the vehicle just happened to come with 180lt fuel capacity.

[Jake72]

My biggest concern with cheap Chinese EVs is that they might go bankrupt, then the battery warranty is gone and you will not be able to get any spare parts. For any EV, make sure you can charge it at home, as in not living in a condo or apartment plus having a parking space for charging at your property, otherwise charging will become a nightmare. EVs are great for daily commute and driving around town, however long road trips are a pain with the lack of charging infrastructure.

[JBChiangRai]

3 minutes ago, Jake72 said:however long road trips are a pain with the lack of charging infrastructure.

That’s not my experience, a stop every 300 to 500km is a welcome break and there is abundant charging infrastructure.

 

Which EV do you have?

[Ben Zioner]

14 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

I once had an electric golf cart and the battery went dead right on the green during a tournament. The tournament had to be delayed because of my stupid golf cart. I will never buy an electric car.

Did you buy an ICE powered golf cart? 

 

Anyway I am on the market for an ESS (Electric Space Shuttle).

[HighPriority]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Terrified M62 driver speaks out following claims Jaguar suffered 'electrical fault' as he was 'unable to brake'

 

Drama unfolded after the Jaguar I-PACE vehicle, according to police, malfunctioned on the eastbound carriageway of the motorway towards Eccles yesterday afternoon (Wednesday). The vehicle, it is claimed, reached speeds of 90mph before police used specialist tactics to ram it and bring it to a halt.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/m62-driver-electric-jaguar-brakes-28770576

There was a similar case a few months ago with a MG ZS EV also unable to brake

Are you saying that ice vehicles don’t have electrical faults ?

Or are you saying that ev don’t have a mechanical action brake ?

What are you saying…? 🤷🏼‍♂️

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, HighPriority said:

Are you saying that ice vehicles don’t have electrical faults ?

Or are you saying that ev don’t have a mechanical action brake ?

What are you saying…? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Just Posting information on EV related faults as far as I know if your ICE vehicle suddenly displays "battery malfunction"  that doesn't stop you from applying the brakes to bring your vehicle to a safe halt 

[Fruit Trader]

14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Terrified M62 driver speaks out following claims Jaguar suffered 'electrical fault' as he was 'unable to brake'

 

Drama unfolded after the Jaguar I-PACE vehicle, according to police, malfunctioned on the eastbound carriageway of the motorway towards Eccles yesterday afternoon (Wednesday). The vehicle, it is claimed, reached speeds of 90mph before police used specialist tactics to ram it and bring it to a halt.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/m62-driver-electric-jaguar-brakes-28770576

There was a similar case a few months ago with a MG ZS EV also unable to brake

 

Easy now, the confused emojis are already running rife.

 

You got to keep it real simple.

[HighPriority]

19 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Just Posting information on EV related faults as far as I know if your ICE vehicle suddenly displays "battery malfunction"  that doesn't stop you from applying the brakes to bring your vehicle to a safe halt 

Does the same notification stop you from applying the brakes in an ev ?

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Does the same notification stop you from applying the brakes in an ev ?

According to the driver of the Jaguar i-pace he tried to apply the brakes but they failed to work

Similar case with the MG ZS EV in Scotland where the the police had to block him in and then allow the MG to hit the back of the police vehicle

[Bandersnatch]

16 hours ago, Maybole said:

Has any member experience of them and can advise me further?

 

 

Plenty of posters with no experience of Chinese EVs, yet they are more than happy to advise you based on their extensive ignorance.

 

"I know nothing about Chinese EVs but I can tell you the range of an Isuzu MUX if that's helpful" (paraphrased) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[UWEB]

2 hours ago, Peterphuket said:

You are from the USA?

No, but I have followed the Diesel Scandal closely where the German Auto Mafia has cheated millions of Customers worldwide.

[norbra]

17 hours ago, Maybole said:

A Thai relative is contemplating replacing her nearly 20 years old Toyota with a new Chinese made Electric car. I have advised caution because of the lack of information on how long they last. They have only been on the road in Thailand for just over 2 years.

Has any member experience of them and can advise me further?

Just my opinion,I think Toyota have got it right promoting hybrids as the best option for future purchases.

[retarius]

8 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I own 2 Chinese made EVs  the first one I purchased 3 years ago and would never go back to an ICE car. Never had any problems.

 

8 Years warranty on the car and battery 

 

@Maybole I would you suggest ignore the “EV experts” who have never actually owned one, everything that claim to know is secondhand at best.

 

The EVs in Thailand discussion has lots of news and real world experiences from EV owners in Thailand.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1257405-electric-vehicles-in-thailand

 

 

 

Watch the video.....a guy who has had several.

[retarius]

EV's not for me. I prefer what I know and I'll stick with my ICE's. Horses for courses. The video told me things I had already predicted....1) efficiency turning coal or gas into electricity into power for your car vs  turning petrol directly into power is inherently less efficient 2) real world battery life, I knew the manufacturers would cheat, especially in a hot climate, try to get them to honour your 8 years warranty when your battery has degraded by 45% and your range is poxy, you'll get a surprise. 3) real world range would be less than predicted, especially in cold weather. 

No all businesses including car manufacturers lie, cheat and steal....fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 

[CygnusX1]

2 hours ago, gravity101 said:

The OP was asking about Chinese EVs not BEV v Ice. My take is.... who really cares about longevity of a car, especially 20 years. All cars will require TLC after 10. Isn't the prevailing wisdom that 4 years or 60k miles is the optimum time to renew before it becomes uneconomical with maintenence costs? I'm sure BEV stretch that out a bit though regardless of where it was made.

My current car’s 24 years old, and it still feels like new. I sold my first car after owning it for 35 years. It was still running reliably, only sold it since my mother kindly gave me my current car after she had to surrender her licence due to age.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Jake72 said:

My biggest concern with cheap Chinese EVs is that they might go bankrupt, then the battery warranty is gone and you will not be able to get any spare parts. For any EV, make sure you can charge it at home, as in not living in a condo or apartment plus having a parking space for charging at your property, otherwise charging will become a nightmare. EVs are great for daily commute and driving around town, however long road trips are a pain with the lack of charging infrastructure.

4 or the top 6 auto makers in CH are state owned.  So won't be going bankrupt.  TH does NOT have a lack of charging infrastructure. 

 

If can charge at home, and not on the road taking long trips every week (150+kms away), along with being impatient.  EVs fit most people's driving styles.

[Irish star]

I drove in an MG I thought I was Fred Flintstone, road noise my god 

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, Peterphuket said:

With a Isuzu MUX you can reach 1000 km on 1 tank.

Why do people do this? The OP said she wants information on Chinese EVs, so people recommend big old pick-up based diesel tanks or rattly diesel pick up trucks. Why?

[ExpatOilWorker]

17 hours ago, Maybole said:

A Thai relative is contemplating replacing her nearly 20 years old Toyota with a new Chinese made Electric car. I have advised caution because of the lack of information on how long they last. They have only been on the road in Thailand for just over 2 years.

Has any member experience of them and can advise me further?

Even though EVs are new to the Thai market and have been hyped up, they are dropping prices almost every month. Something is fishy 🐟 and for now EVs are best avoided. 

ICE car manufacturers have just recently joined the discount party, by slashing almost 30% of their prices.

Your best strategy is to watch the market in 2024 and get a good deal for your favorite new ICE.

https://autolifethailand.tv/discount-official-suzuki-ciaz-thailand/

 

[FlorC]

2 hours ago, Peterphuket said:

With a Isuzu MUX you can reach 1000 km on 1 tank.

My Isuzu dmax from 2007 can get 1000- 1200 on 1 tank , depending on how I drive.

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, FlorC said:

My Isuzu dmax from 2007 can get 1000- 1200 on 1 tank , depending on how I drive.

That's great news, fantastic! The bad news is that you are driving around in a noisy, dirty, smelly, uncomfortable, old fashioned, 17 year old pickup truck. Thanks for sharing.

[scorecard]

9 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I own 2 Chinese made EVs  the first one I purchased 3 years ago and would never go back to an ICE car. Never had any problems.

 

8 Years warranty on the car and battery 

 

@Maybole I would you suggest ignore the “EV experts” who have never actually owned one, everything that claim to know is secondhand at best.

• Response:  This is my neighbor, knows nothing about EVs but delights in ear bashing about how bad they are. Claims there's no charging stations in homes or car service centres or shopping malls in his district because local council have banned them. And claims best possible total travel distance for Chinese manufactured EVs is 40 Km, because of Chinese laws.
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The EVs in Thailand discussion has lots of news and real world experiences from EV owners in Thailand.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1257405-electric-vehicles-in-thailand

 

 

 

 

[lavender19]

I read an article recently that Volvo only expect their EV a life of about 8 years. So probably half of that

[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, Keep Right said:

I once had an electric golf cart and the battery went dead right on the green during a tournament. The tournament had to be delayed because of my stupid golf cart. I will never buy an electric car.

You drove your golf cart onto the green? That’s probably why the tournament was delayed, to repair the green. Some people just have no golf etiquette…

[Surasak]

16 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

yea wait 5 10 years when half of the forum posters are dead

Who really needs that kind of encouragement?

[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, Jake72 said:

My biggest concern with cheap Chinese EVs is that they might go bankrupt, then the battery warranty is gone and you will not be able to get any spare parts. For any EV, make sure you can charge it at home, as in not living in a condo or apartment plus having a parking space for charging at your property, otherwise charging will become a nightmare. EVs are great for daily commute and driving around town, however long road trips are a pain with the lack of charging infrastructure.

I think there is a higher chance of expensive legacy ICEVs going bankrupt in the next 5 yrs or so.

 

Which long road trip did you undertake that was a pain due to the lack of charging infrastructure? Or are you just repeating what you heard from equally uninformed ICE owners?

[Gweiloman]

58 minutes ago, lavender19 said:

I read an article recently that Volvo only expect their EV a life of about 8 years. So probably half of that

Yeah, we believe you, not.

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

My current car’s 24 years old, and it still feels like new. I sold my first car after owning it for 35 years..

My sympathies.

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Even though EVs are new to the Thai market and have been hyped up, they are dropping prices almost every month. Something is fishy 🐟 and for now EVs are best avoided. 

ICE car manufacturers have just recently joined the discount party, by slashing almost 30% of their prices.

Your best strategy is to watch the market in 2024 and get a good deal for your favorite new ICE.

https://autolifethailand.tv/discount-official-suzuki-ciaz-thailand/

 

EVs discounting, fishy. ICEs discounting, not fishy.

Good thing oil workers don’t teach economics at universities.

[Kinnock]

10 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Comparing an electric scooter to an EV is like comparing well, an electric scooter to an EV. You might as well compare an apple to an orange.

Well they both have the same battery technology and an electric motor, plus similar charging cycles.  The scooter is just smaller, and this may mean the ill effects appear sooner that with a car.  Also has the scooter has a much shorter range from new, so the issue becomes critical sooner.

 

I was considering a battery electric car before my experience with the scooter, but I'll now be sticking to an ICE for now, or perhaps changing to a plug in hybrid.