J.K. Rowling Insinuates Nazis Did Not Burn Trans Books

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

We could but they were burned, and I don't think the Nazis recorded the titles/authors.

 

Do let us know if your research turns anything up.

 

 

Naw, historians already know what was burned, I was checking to see if anyone here can point to something. Seems not.

 

Personally I dont care, Men are Men and Womann are woman and folks are entitled to play whatever games they want, doesnt affect reality.

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Can someone give me the titles of the trans books that were burned?

 

*crickets*

Since it is recorded history that the Nazis sacked the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft and burned its library in entirety we be sure they burned the works of the Institutes’ Head, Magnus Hirschfeld, his publications included:

 

The Transvestites [Die Transvestiten] (1910)

The Study of Gender and Sex[Geschlechtskunde] (1924–1930, 5 volumes)

 

So there’s a start for you.

 

 

Edited March 15 by Chomper Higgot

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

I am reminded of the claim that there are no gays in Iran. 

All these exual deviations always existed,and everywhere.  they are part of being human. It is just that in some places and as some times it was suppressed and  swept under the rug. 

Forcing people to be something they are not is IMO the worst crime against humanity. 

 

I'm not going to look for it, but I'm sure I said something along the lines of it existed in society but those that were didn't shout about it.

No one is forcing them to be something they ain't. If they were born with a penis they are a man and a woman if they weren't. Before the luvvies started going on about it I'll bet there were a lot less people that thought they were different.

Anyway, most of us can be whatever we want in the privacy of our bedrooms, even a cat.

 

BTW getting blown up or starved just for being of a particular race is a much bigger crime against humanity than being forced to wear trousers

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm not going to look for it, but I'm sure I said something along the lines of it existed in society but those that were didn't shout about it.

No one is forcing them to be something they ain't. If they were born with a penis they are a man and a woman if they weren't. Before the luvvies started going on about it I'll bet there were a lot less people that thought they were different.

Anyway, most of us can be whatever we want in the privacy of our bedrooms, even a cat.

 

BTW getting blown up or starved just for being of a particular race is a much bigger crime against humanity than being forced to wear trousers

How about being tortured and murdered for being gay.

 

Do you have any handy excuses or obfuscation for that?

[thaibeachlovers]

56 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

I did recently rewatch "Where Eagles Dare", where Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton dispatch what seemed like a thousand Nazis. So satisfying.

 

I did see that movie, but I don't recall how many truckloads of ammunition they carried to kill that many people. Perhaps they carried the legendary Hollywood inexhaustible ammunition magazine.

I've always wondered where they got a large enough time machine to bring a helicopter back from  the future.

🙂

 

PS. I did enjoy the movie, too. Burton and Eastwood together- it doesn't get much better than that

Edited March 15 by thaibeachlovers

[Fruit Trader]

The book burnings were started by the German Students Union who wanted to remove any literature that was thought to be leading Germans astray. To say the Nazis did not burn Trans books is far fetched to say the least.

 

I think its reasonably safe to say some of Magnus Hirschfeld's transgender health care literature went on the fire when book burnings began at the Institute Of Sex Research.

The Twelve Theses were issued to purify the German language and remove any literature influenced by the Jews.

 

 

[sirineou]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm not going to look for it, but I'm sure I said something along the lines of it existed in society but those that were didn't shout about it.

I will look it up for you because that's just the kind of helpful guy I am.  actually it os very easy to do. There is a function on the right left corner of the quote you are responding too

That will take you to the quote that is responding to the previous quote In this case what you said. 

So let's look at  what you actually said. 

 

"I wasn't aware that "trans" even existed in the 1930s. It certainly didn't in NZ when I grew up decades later ."  

"It certainly didn't in NZ",  "didn't'  meaning axist. 

I'm sure there were some of that attitude in society, but they kept their druthers to themselves. "

Then you backpedal  and say, "I'm sure there were some " 

from these two contradicting statements I am inclined to concluded that transexuals in NZ are like  Schrodinger's Cat . 

"but they kept their to themselves. "

Because their "druthers '' is a "preference  " something that they had a choice, some times they prefered to be transexual, be ostracized from "Normal" society. And other times they did not.  

 

"Such was the invisibility of "trans" that some first became aware it existed when the Kinks' song Lola became popular in 1970. "

And that my friend is the definition of a compromised life. To be invisible, keep your head down , don't be an Uppity <deleted>. 

Apologies to my black friends I am sure you recognise the reference. 

 

 

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm not going to look for it, but I'm sure I said something along the lines of it existed in society but those that were didn't shout about it.

No one is forcing them to be something they ain't. If they were born with a penis they are a man and a woman if they weren't. Before the luvvies started going on about it I'll bet there were a lot less people that thought they were different.

Anyway, most of us can be whatever we want in the privacy of our bedrooms, even a cat.

 

BTW getting blown up or starved just for being of a particular race is a much bigger crime against humanity than being forced to wear trousers

So now that we looked at what you said then , let's look at what you are saying now. 

    "No one is forcing them to be something they ain't. " Perhaps  not now, but it did back then , and if the magamorons have their way, they will again. 

    "If they were born with a penis they are a man and a woman if they weren't. " That is absolutely not correct. What is it that makes you a man or a woman, is it a penis, ar are there other characteristics. some of them mental. 

"During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female. " 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222286/#:~:text=During early development the gonads,same and are phenotypically female.

so at some point of our life, we were all female.  then we differentiated to either Female or Male 

"The male and female human fetal external genitalia start out at the indifferent stage (8–9 weeks' gestation) and grow differentially into a penis or clitoris, which are fully formed by 17–18 weeks gestation "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6234077/#:~:text=The male and female human fetal external genitalia start out,gestation) (Figure 8A).

 It is theorized that at that period the the body differentiated into either male or female but the brain did not, 

" t is believed that during the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21094885/#:~:text=It is believed that during,absence of this hormone surge.

 

This is a very cursory explanation allowed with thin the limitations of this forum. I ams sure you don't want to read a 50 page abstract. But I hope you got the point i am trying to make. 

Simply having a penis does not make you a man or a woman. 

    I realise that there are certain limitations to a Transexual. such as sports competition, because even though she/ he might have the mind of a woman, he/she still has the body of a man, and having a physically stronger male body , compete in a female venue is simply unfair.

  The same applies to a female who tranced  into a male , My daughter who is not trasexual but always very competative ( top athlete in multiple womens sports) on time told me she wanted to play football (American) she said the school team accepted girls,  so I went to meet with the coach, daughter with me. 

I asked , "s it true you have girls in the team)  he said "Yea , we had one last season" 

Oh great I replied " How did she do" 

"She got hurt he said."

I never applied any limitations in my daughter, I enabled her to pursue her dreams to the best of my ability.

A really remarkable person working on her bar, and the top case manager at the second largest legal firm in Florida.  (Proud Daddy )

  But no way would have allowed her to get hurt. If I had my choice I would not allow a son to play american football.  So even with in gender considerations there are limitations. 

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[bamnutsak]

Back to Nazi book burning...

 

"Nazis, I hate these guys."

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgxlHttNDo

 

[sirineou]

everyone should be burning her books, 

Nothing that popcorn trash . The movies were OK for children but IMO her books only value other than lite entertainment would be the warmth they provide while burning.  

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Fruit Trader said:

The book burnings were started by the German Students Union who wanted to remove any literature that was thought to be leading Germans astray. To say the Nazis did not burn Trans books is far fetched to say the least.

 

I think its reasonably safe to say some of Magnus Hirschfeld's transgender health care literature went on the fire when book burnings began at the Institute Of Sex Research.

The Twelve Theses were issued to purify the German language and remove any literature influenced by the Jews.

 

 

You posted something about transvestism which IMO is not the same as trans, which in current usage IMO refers to men preferring to be female and visa versa, whereas transvestites do not want to be women, just wear female clothes.

Perhaps you can come up with something a bit more relevant that was published in the 1930s or before. Perhaps something about gender reassignment surgery or silicone boobies.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, sirineou said:

So now that we looked at what you said then , let's look at what you are saying now. 

    "No one is forcing them to be something they ain't. " Perhaps  not now, but it did back then , and if the magamorons have their way, they will again. 

    "If they were born with a penis they are a man and a woman if they weren't. " That is absolutely not correct. What is it that makes you a man or a woman, is it a penis, ar are there other characteristics. some of them mental. 

"During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female. " 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222286/#:~:text=During early development the gonads,same and are phenotypically female.

so at some point of our life, we were all female.  then we differentiated to either Female or Male 

"The male and female human fetal external genitalia start out at the indifferent stage (8–9 weeks' gestation) and grow differentially into a penis or clitoris, which are fully formed by 17–18 weeks gestation "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6234077/#:~:text=The male and female human fetal external genitalia start out,gestation) (Figure 8A).

 It is theorized that at that period the the body differentiated into either male or female but the brain did not, 

" t is believed that during the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21094885/#:~:text=It is believed that during,absence of this hormone surge.

 

This is a very cursory explanation allowed with thin the limitations of this forum. I ams sure you don't want to read a 50 page abstract. But I hope you got the point i am trying to make. 

Simply having a penis does not make you a man or a woman. 

    I realise that there are certain limitations to a Transexual. such as sports competition, because even though she/ he might have the mind of a woman, he/she still has the body of a man, and having a physically stronger male body , compete in a female venue is simply unfair.

  The same applies to a female who tranced  into a male , My daughter who is not trasexual but always very competative ( top athlete in multiple womens sports) on time told me she wanted to play football (American) she said the school team accepted girls,  so I went to meet with the coach, daughter with me. 

I asked , "s it true you have girls in the team)  he said "Yea , we had one last season" 

Oh great I replied " How did she do" 

"She got hurt he said."

I never applied any limitations in my daughter, I enabled her to pursue her dreams to the best of my ability.

A really remarkable person working on her bar, and the top case manager at the second largest legal firm in Florida.  (Proud Daddy )

  But no way would have allowed her to get hurt. If I had my choice I would not allow a son to play american football.  So even with in gender considerations there are limitations. 

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A man can desire to live as if he is a woman and visa versa, but s/he can't change their genes, and genes make a man or a woman.

Ergo animals are the gender they were born as, with the exception of hermaphrodites.

Makes no difference to me if a man gets it cut off and wears dresses, but soon as he stops taking the drugs he reverts to a male without a penis.

It's easier for females as they ( I assume ) don't want to grow facial hair, so don't need drugs to play a man.

 

I wonder why we don't have a problem with trans females to males joining men's teams so they can win at something.

[KhunLA]

47 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A man can desire to live as if he is a woman and visa versa, but s/he can't change their genes, and genes make a man or a woman.

Ergo animals are the gender they were born as, with the exception of hermaphrodites.

Makes no difference to me if a man gets it cut off and wears dresses, but soon as he stops taking the drugs he reverts to a male without a penis.

It's easier for females as they ( I assume ) don't want to grow facial hair, so don't need drugs to play a man.

 

I wonder why we don't have a problem with trans females to males joining men's teams so they can win at something.

Agree 100%

You are born male or female.   You can tell yourself what ever you want, dress and behave however you want.

 

BUT .. a transwomen will never get pregnant, and a transman will never get a woman pregnant.  

 

You have XX or XY chromosomes, that is what you are, and that will never change.  You can add implants or chop off whatever pleases you, but you will always be a birth male or female.

 

These facts will never change.  Follow my wife or daughter into the ladies room, and I'll be standing right next to you the whole time ... that's a fact also.  I might even hang out there till you leave.

 

Transmen aren't trying to compete against men, and I haven't read any reports about transmen requesting to be placed in men's prison ... go figure.

Edited March 16 by KhunLA

[James105]

5 hours ago, sirineou said:

everyone should be burning her books, 

Nothing that popcorn trash . The movies were OK for children but IMO her books only value other than lite entertainment would be the warmth they provide while burning.  

 

Ah, spoken like a true Nazi.  Any other books you want to burn by people that happen to believe in the reality that a man cannot actually become a women, no matter how much lipstick he wears or what surgery he has?  

[Jingthing]

Nazis are still at it

 

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Ah, spoken like a true Nazi.

and proud of it

 

[RayC]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You posted something about transvestism which IMO is not the same as trans, which in current usage IMO refers to men preferring to be female and visa versa, whereas transvestites do not want to be women, just wear female clothes.

Perhaps you can come up with something a bit more relevant that was published in the 1930s or before. Perhaps something about gender reassignment surgery or silicone boobies.

 

Given that the first recorded gender reassignment surgery didn't take place until 1931, it's hardly surprising that there aren't many books dating from the 1930s and earlier about transgender issues.

[blazes]

I haven't seen anyone commenting on the actual style of the OP attack on Rowling (who is dismissed by trans luvvies as a TERF).

 

The style of this article strongly suggests, for me, its origin in ChatGPT.  Its blandness and sickening belief in its own correct view of the world have the hallmarks of so much now being manufactured as original essays or hack reporting by AI.

 

It's easy to ignore this whiff of inauthenticity while concentrating on the allegations being thrown around.

Bo££ocks, in short.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, blazes said:

I haven't seen anyone commenting on the actual style of the OP attack on Rowling (who is dismissed by trans luvvies as a TERF).

 

The style of this article strongly suggests, for me, its origin in ChatGPT.  Its blandness and sickening belief in its own correct view of the world have the hallmarks of so much now being manufactured as original essays or hack reporting by AI.

 

It's easy to ignore this whiff of inauthenticity while concentrating on the allegations being thrown around.

Bo££ocks, in short.

The remarks by Rowling are widely reported.

 

It’s her remarks that are offensive.

 

She’s been informed of her ignorance but has yet to respond.

 

 

 

 

[Thingamabob]

On 3/15/2024 at 7:52 AM, bamnutsak said:

 

Less anti-semetic?

 

 

Semitic.

[rudi49jr]

On 3/15/2024 at 5:53 AM, Yagoda said:

I feel the same about commies

Define commies. I’m asking because Trump and his cronies (and the entire MAGA cult) seem to think that Biden, the Dems, the liberals, are ‘radical left’, or socialists, or even communists. Which is ridiculous and insane.

[rudi49jr]

I’m always amazed at how conservatives are able to twist their brain into a pretzel over issues like this. On the one hand they advocate freedom, free speech, being able to live your life like you want with minimal state or government interference.
But on the other hand they seem obsessed with what people have in their pants, what they do in their bedrooms, who they have intimate relationships with, what kind of books they read, and they have no qualms whatsoever to go out of their way to pass all kinds of oppressive laws and regulations to forbid any kind of behavior that they consider to be ‘deviant’ or ‘morally compromising’ or whatever.

[G_Money]

On 3/15/2024 at 5:25 AM, Tug said:

Ignorant broad……..the nazis absolutely slaughtered homosexuals what a stupid thing to say…….

Bur wait, not all Trans are homosexuals.
 

Perhaps most of the Gestapo were Drag Queens in private so those books were spared.

[rudi49jr]

22 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

Or perhaps they are worried about the pornography in school libraries and teachers inviting drag queens to show the 7 year old pupils their junk.

Can you provide evidence of pornography in school libraries? Or of drag queens showing their junk to 7-year-olds in school? Or are you just regurgitating popular right wing talking points?

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, G_Money said:

Bur wait, not all Trans are homosexuals.

There is man (?) who works at one of the large investment banks in London, and he spends half the week as Philip and the other half of the week as Pippa. His career has flourished since the Trans movement became so prominent. He even wins women's banking awards (depriving women of winning them).

He has a wife and kids, and says they are all supportive (ok....). 

So he's not homosexual. Is he Trans? Or just kinky? Either way, he's done very well for himself because the banks need to tick boxes for diversity. 

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

There is man (?) who works at one of the large investment banks in London, and he spends half the week as Philip and the other half of the week as Pippa. His career has flourished since the Trans movement became so prominent. He even wins women's banking awards (depriving women of winning them).

He has a wife and kids, and says they are all supportive (ok....). 

So he's not homosexual. Is he Trans? Or just kinky? Either way, he's done very well for himself because the banks need to tick boxes for diversity. 

You seem jealous….

[jak2002003]

16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A man can desire to live as if he is a woman and visa versa, but s/he can't change their genes, and genes make a man or a woman.

Ergo animals are the gender they were born as, with the exception of hermaphrodites.

Makes no difference to me if a man gets it cut off and wears dresses, but soon as he stops taking the drugs he reverts to a male without a penis.

It's easier for females as they ( I assume ) don't want to grow facial hair, so don't need drugs to play a man.

 

I wonder why we don't have a problem with trans females to males joining men's teams so they can win at something.

No. There are many species of animals that change sex as they mature or at different life stages.  Educate yourself so you don't make yourself look ignorant. 

[rudi49jr]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Drag queens made it into the LGBTQ community by hanging on the coat tails of the Trans movement. Drag queens are generally kinky men dressed as over sexualised women. Completely different from a man who wants to be an ordinary woman. 

Most people have seen the videos of scantily clad drag queens performing for school children, and if you haven't I can't be bothered to find them for you. Also the Pride marches are blighted by the over sexual nature of the drags. 

I wonder if in 20 years time it will be acceptable for school teachers to wear gimp masks. 

 

Most people have seen the videos of scantily clad drag queens performing for school children.

Seriously? If most people have seen it, why don’t you provide a link to one of those videos then? I’m quite sure most people actually haven’t seen the videos of drag queens performing for school children. That’s why I asked for evidence of that claim. Something you didn’t provide either. 
There are some pesky little rules on this forum, in case you haven’t noticed. Nothing major, but one of them is that when you make outlandish claims, you provide a link from a credible source. But apparently you can’t be bothered. Hmm, what to make of that…

[blazes]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The remarks by Rowling are widely reported.

 

It’s her remarks that are offensive.

 

She’s been informed of her ignorance but has yet to respond.

 

 

 

 

Thank you SO much for that enlightening response.  Your trenchant opinions (based 100% on fact, of course) raise the whole tone of this thread.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

There is man (?) who works at one of the large investment banks in London, and he spends half the week as Philip and the other half of the week as Pippa. His career has flourished since the Trans movement became so prominent. He even wins women's banking awards (depriving women of winning them).

He has a wife and kids, and says they are all supportive (ok....). 

So he's not homosexual. Is he Trans? Or just kinky? Either way, he's done very well for himself because the banks need to tick boxes for diversity. 

Maybe s/he is very good at banking, hence getting on so well.