NY judge issues gag order on Trump in hush money trial

[Danderman123]

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But for to be charged as a campaign expense, it has to be used 100% for the campaign.

 

For example, you could not charge off a new car as a campaign expense and have your wife driving it to pick up the kids everyday while you are out of state. 

 

Or like in the case of Fani, to reimburse your lover in cash for trips he paid for. 

Deflection.

 

Fani Willis did not charge her trips as a campaign expense.

 

The trial is coming soon enough, you don't have to make up stuff to confuse people about the facts of this  or any other case. Nobody is going to remember your trolling when these trials happen.

Edited April 15 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

50 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

"COHEN, 51, of NEW YORK, NEW YORK, pleaded guilty to five counts of willful tax evasion; one count of making false statements to a bank; one count of causing an unlawful campaign contribution; and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution."

 

1. Willful tax evasion. Nothing to do with Trump. 

2. Making false statements to a bank. Nothing to do with Trump.

3. Causing an unlawful campaign contribution. Trump campaign. 

4. One count of making an excessive campaign contribution. Trump campaign.

 

So, we're back to campaign finance violations, and if it can be shown that the payment was made in whole or in part for any reason other than the campaign, to avoid public embarrassment for example, there is no crime. 

 

The statue has run out on the bookkeeping charges, if they can't tie it to the campaign, they have nothing. 

 

Trump is not accused of a campaign finance violation. You don't seem to understand that.

 

He committed business fraud to cover up a campaign finance violation.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump is not accused of a campaign finance violation. You don't seem to understand that.

 

He committed business fraud to cover up a campaign finance violation.

But if there is no campaign finance violation, there is no "business fraud" to covering it up. 

 

If the payment was made to protect his "brand", it is a business expense and it's all good. 

[Yellowtail]

14 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

DOJ put Michael Cohen in prison for that nothing.

COHEN, 51, of NEW YORK, NEW YORK, pleaded guilty to five counts of willful tax evasion; one count of making false statements to a bank; one count of causing an unlawful campaign contribution; and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution."

 

1. Willful tax evasion. Nothing to do with Trump. 

2. Making false statements to a bank. Nothing to do with Trump.

3. Causing an unlawful campaign contribution. Trump campaign. 

4. One count of making an excessive campaign contribution. Trump campaign.

 

So, we're back to campaign finance violations, and if it can be shown that the payment was made in whole or in part for any reason other than the campaign, to avoid public embarrassment for example, there is no crime. 

 

The statue has run out on the bookkeeping charges, if they can't tie it to the campaign, they have nothing. 

 

Cohen failed to claim $5M in revenue and failed to pay over $1M in taxes. His charges carried total maximum sentence of 65 years, yet he's out in three years. Now he's a convicted felon testifying against Trump, he a darling to the left and he's getting well paid making the rounds on the news/talk shows. 

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Deflection.

 

Fani Willis did not charge her trips as a campaign expense.

 

The trial is coming soon enough, you don't have to make up stuff to confuse people about the facts of this  or any other case. Nobody is going to remember your trolling when these trials happen.

She said she kept cash in her home, and that she used that cash to reimburse her lover for her portion of the trips that he paid for. 

 

She also said that she kept cash from her campaign in her house. 

 

Of course, she has no record of paying him because....because...because...she's a strong black woman and anyone that doubts her is a racist! 

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What we must all keep in mind is we non of us have any idea of the scope and extent of the evidence and testimony that will be presented.

 

It’s readily assume there are going to be a few bombshells.

I think this could well be right. One thing that has me really intrigued is that Hope Hicks is on the prosecution's witness list. Nobody seems to know what she's going to say. Various pundits, including people who worked with her in the Trump administration say she was fiercely loyal to Trump and is unlikely to say anything that might harm him.

 

However if that's the case then you have to wonder why the prosecution plans to call her. Surely you wouldn't call a witness if you know they're not going to say anything that will help you to convict the person you're trying to prosecute?

 

In this regard, it's worth noting that last year, Hicks met for several hours with prosecutors in the Manhattan district attorney's office, according to NBC News.

 

So maybe the prosecution knows something about her testimony that the pundits don't?

 

If that's the case, and she does spill the beans about what she knows, that could turn out to be quite a bombshell.

Edited April 15 by GroveHillWanderer

[Danderman123]

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But if there is no campaign finance violation, there is no "business fraud" to covering it up. 

 

If the payment was made to protect his "brand", it is a business expense and it's all good. 

There *was* a campaign finance violation - Michael Cohen went to jail over it. That's been pointed out repeatedly.

 

This is not a legal discussion, it's a cognitive breakdown on your part.

[GroveHillWanderer]

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But if there is no campaign finance violation, there is no "business fraud" to covering it up. 

 

If the payment was made to protect his "brand", it is a business expense and it's all good. 

Once again, there are multiple witnesses, there are audio tapes, emails, text messages and video clips (Giuliani) that all tend to indicate the payments were made in furtherance of his campaign. 

 

And if the jurors accept that as being the case then it may not be all good - for Trump at least. Though it might well be good for the prosecution.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

DOJ put Michael Cohen in prison for that nothing.

Minor correction.

 

The Trump DOJ put Cohen in prison for ‘that nothing’.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

She said she kept cash in her home, and that she used that cash to reimburse her lover for her portion of the trips that he paid for. 

 

She also said that she kept cash from her campaign in her house. 

 

Of course, she has no record of paying him because....because...because...she's a strong black woman and anyone that doubts her is a racist! 

I have little doubt you are right in your conclusion.
 

But since when did anyone accused of a crime need to provide evidence of their innocence?

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

But Trump's appeal is going to be about application of state law, not about a conflict between state and federal statutes.

Trump's first appeal.

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Trump's first appeal.

If convicted, Trump will appeal for the rest of his life.

 

He will appeal his appeals.

 

He will appeal to the Supreme Court over interpretation of NY state law.

 

The only question is whether some judge will jail him pending appeal.

[spidermike007]

It's a good thing anytime an authority tells Trump to shut his trap. All he does is yak, yak, yak, and it gets quite tiresome. This is a man who is all words and no action, he is the very definition of an empty suit. 

[LatPhrao]

On 3/27/2024 at 9:32 AM, JonnyF said:

pedantry and trolling

Count us all in - cause you earned it Big Time.

[Skeptic7]

Wherever there's Trump, a gag order is necessary...'cuz everyone is gagging❗🤮

[Red Forever]

On 3/28/2024 at 9:03 AM, Bangkok Barry said:

 

I don't think you understand the jury system. No-one knows who voted for what, outside of the jury room. Not even the judge.

They do if it's a uninimous verdict.

[jerrymahoney]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The only question is whether some judge will jail him pending appeal.

Can Trump appeal?
Yes, if he is convicted, Mr. Trump will appeal, a process that could take months or longer.

 

Mr. Trump could first take the case to the Appellate Division in Manhattan, and, ultimately seek review from the state’s highest court, the Court of Appeals in Albany. In other words, any appeal is unlikely to be resolved before Election Day and he would most likely remain free at least until it is resolved.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/article/donald-trump-trial-what-to-know.html

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It's a good thing anytime an authority tells Trump to shut his trap. All he does is yak, yak, yak, and it gets quite tiresome. This is a man who is all words and no action, he is the very definition of an empty suit. 

Any why should "someone in authority" be allowed to tell any American to shut their trap? 

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

Wherever there's Trump, a gag order is necessary...'cuz everyone is gagging❗🤮

Except Stormy...

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Any why should "someone in authority" be allowed to tell any American to shut their trap? 

It’s a the judge in Trump’s trial who issued the gag order and he gave his reasons.

The SCOTUS has upheld ‘gag orders’ issued by trial judges.

 

 

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Except Stormy...

[newnative]

Can we have an actual gag in his mouth?  Pretty please, pretty please.

[newnative]

On 3/28/2024 at 9:12 AM, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Are you saying that in the USA the name of each juror and how they voted is made public, so that they can be tracked down and 'dealt with' by aggrieved parties? Really?

   You can't possibly be that naive.  As others have said, it won't matter how individual jurors voted; they will all be targeted if a guilty verdict is rendered.  Trump and his followers have shown far too many times that they have no respect for laws.

[Bangkok Barry]

10 minutes ago, newnative said:

As others have said, it won't matter how individual jurors voted; they will all might be targeted

 

There, corrected what you meant to say. Unless you have proof otherwise

[SiSePuede419]

On 4/7/2024 at 9:02 PM, rudi49jr said:

You should try reading the garbage he keeps spouting on his Truth Social. Which he claims is doing great, but of course that’s a huge lie, because it’s hemorrhaging money, and probably going to be the next in a long line of Trump business failures. The Trump brand is going down in flames.

And Trump even claims he looks like Elvis.

What a demented old con man. Can't even afford a decent makeup artist because most of his money is going to jail bonds, lawyers and whores.

And the rest of his money he wastes on his family. 😄

Edited April 17 by SiSePuede419

[Danderman123]

The gag order expires when the trial concludes. If Trump is acquitted, he is free to attack the witnesses.

 

But, if there is a mistrial, is the gag order still in place?

 

Or if Trump is convicted, but he appeals?

[earlinclaifornia]

OK judge go ahead and jail him!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stable-genius-trump-once-again-161122500.html