Scotland's controversial new hate crime laws come into force

[Old Croc]

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Of course it exists, the difference is that you are saying racially abusing a cop is normal/acceptable and I am saying it is not. 

 

I never said it was acceptable. My stance was that people in law enforcement shouldn't get precious about insults when on the job, because their clientele don't always abide by correct society standards with language.

 

My words were - "It is normal in some jobs (i.e. common)"

You chose to ignore that clarification, continued with your argumentative assertions, and threw in a childish insult.

 

I've never been to Pattaya.

A man called JonnyF English walked into MI5......

[JonnyF]

21 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

I never said it was acceptable. My stance was that people in law enforcement shouldn't get precious about insults when on the job, because their clientele don't always abide by correct society standards with language.

 

My words were - "It is normal in some jobs (i.e. common)"

You chose to ignore that clarification, continued with your argumentative assertions, and threw in a childish insult.

 

I've never been to Pattaya.

A man called JonnyF English walked into MI5......

 

I don't think objecting to being racially abused while at work is being "precious".

 

I suspect if the role was reversed and the cop had racially abused the drunken, vommiting Sam Kerr she wouldn't have simply brushed it off either.  

 

I say press charges, it might teach the priviliged, entitled, racist brat some manners. 

[Old Croc]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I don't think objecting to being racially abused while at work is being "precious".

 

I suspect if the role was reversed and the cop had racially abused the drunken, vommiting Sam Kerr she wouldn't have simply brushed it off either.  

 

I say press charges, it might teach the priviliged, entitled, racist brat some manners. 

Well trained, professional law Enforcment officers don't racially abuse clients.

So now you're reverting to attacking the drunk. I'm not defending her; she should be charged with any drunken offences regarding her behavior on the night short of bringing serious hate crime charges to because she called a policeman white!

As usual you're completely ignoring any practicalities, or reasonable disagreement, and advocating for police to dissect drunken language in order to upgrade charges against any idiot they interact with! Let's hope the police don't mishear or misreport comments made in the heat of the moment. Your little country will have to build more jails. You can't export your prisoners to us anymore. 

And if you next call is for deportation, I think Chelsea needs her more than the other way around.

[JonnyF]

23 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Well trained, professional law Enforcment officers don't racially abuse clients.

 

Australian "soccer" captains shouldn't racially abuse policemen. 

 

23 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

So now you're reverting to attacking the drunk. I'm not defending her; she should be charged with any drunken offences regarding her behavior on the night short of bringing serious hate crime charges to because she called a policeman white!

 

We have standards in the UK. This isn't some outback watering hole where people denigrate Aboriginals. 

 

23 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

As usual you're completely ignoring any practicalities, or reasonable disagreement, and advocating for police to dissect drunken language in order to upgrade charges against any idiot they interact with! Let's hope the police don't mishear or misreport comments made in the heat of the moment. Your little country will have to build more jails. You can't export your prisoners to us anymore. 

 

She's already admitted the racial part. It's only the other insult she is denying. 

 

23 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

And if you next call is for deportation, I think Chelsea needs her more than the other way around.

 

Hardly. What's she going to get playing substandard "soccer" in Aus? 200 bucks and a lifetime supply of Vegemite?😄

 

She also tried to hide this from Football Australia. A deceptive racist as well as an entitled one. 

 

You guys sure do pick your captains. 

 

[Old Croc]

18 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Australian "soccer" captains shouldn't racially abuse policemen. 

Agreed, no drunken idiot should abuse anyone. However, in the real world, not your fantasy one, it happens all the time. The English have a reputation as a world leader for such behavior.  The police, whose job is to restore the peace often wear the brunt of this abuse. They have to desensitize their personal feelings to be able to effectively do that job.

 

18 hours ago, JonnyF said:

We have standards in the UK. This isn't some outback watering hole where people denigrate Aboriginals. 

Now who's the racist!

For information, the Kerr family have Anglo-Indian and Philipine roots.

 

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Hardly. What's she going to get playing substandard "soccer" in Aus? 200 bucks and a lifetime supply of Vegemite

 Australia is ranked 12th (of about 190) in the current FIFA rankings. They are ahead of many European countries, and Scotland, about which this thread originated. They finished 4th in the latest World Cup and have beaten England in the past.

Admittedly, the money there isn't great, which is why Kerr is an in-demand international player who has been nominated for the World Player of the Year award. Chelsea extended her current contract which is an indication of how they view her value.

Trying to denigrate her playing career when the discussion is about hate crime issues is fairly pathetic.

 

The Australian cricket captain is probably crying because his actions had him kicked out of the game for a year when an English captain (Atherton) received a slap on the wrist for the same offence.

 

Whatever the result of the charge against her I think the copper may be wondering in a few years why he is always overlooked for promotion.

 

Anyway, done with it now, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it, and have exposed your hypocrisy on the subject.

[johnnybangkok]

11 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

"Refused abortions" and "voting rights for minorities" clearly shows your extreme left wing ideology - I wont bother trying to correct your views.  But for those that are genuinely not puppets of the far left Democrats in USA and those other mad left Govts all around the world (like in Scotland) I will offer this link - try to read it impartially and not from a viewpoint of cognitive bias.

Was Hitler Really Right-Wing? | Mises Institute

 

The essence of right wing is personal freedoms and accountability with minimal State control of the people's economic and social lives - Reagan was classic right wing. The essence of the left wing is moderation of personal liberties and freedoms though Government intervention and the control of most aspects of people's econoomic and social lives - Clinton was classic left wing.

 

Progressive and Woke is the left - Authoritarian and Freedoms is the right. Left is about equality of outcomes - Right is about equality of opportunities.   When you view those ideals, it is clear that a bit of both is the ideal balance, and that is why we basically have 2 parties in many western countries. 

 

Hitler's political ideologoies were the worst of the far right and the far left. To state the Nazi Party did not start as left wing and also keep those centralised controls over the people's economic and social lives is delusional - as is it delusional to also state that they did not adopt the worst of the far right. 

 

Right-wing politics - Wikipedia  Take a read - it is interesting read and could enlighten some people.  Everyone that does not agree with lewft wing political ideologies is not a far-right Nazi, but that it is much used criticism thrown by the left wing these days - especially when criticised with facts and logic about their latest silly ideaology which they want to enshrine in laws - which in Scotland right now they have done and called them 'hate speech laws'.  Have you not read 1984 or Animal Farm? Perhaps you did not learn the lessons on offer.  Big Brother is very much a left wing construct. 

You really are going all in with this 'Hitler wasn't right wing' stance aren't you? Granted you can say the early days of the Nazi's was probably more centrist than right-wing but with the mass killing of gypsies, the disabled, intellectuals, blacks, disobedient civilians, gays and of course 6 million Jews, I think we can safely say he veered ever so slightly to what we know view as extreme right-wing.

 

And there lies the rub; what right-wing we saw even up to Reagan times has changed dramatically and whatever noble, centrists policies that gave us a '........bit of both' has now firmly been taken over by the extremists and the racists. I don't conflate anyone who does 'not agree with lewft (sic) wing political ideologies' as being 'a far-right Nazi' but then again I'm not the one trying to convince this forum that Hitler was more centrist and perhaps even left-leaning rather than right wing. Perhaps we can then agree that the term we are looking for is 'extreme right', which encapsulates racism, xenophobia and extreme nationalism.

[johnnybangkok]

22 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I don't think objecting to being racially abused while at work is being "precious".

 

I suspect if the role was reversed and the cop had racially abused the drunken, vommiting Sam Kerr she wouldn't have simply brushed it off either.  

 

I say press charges, it might teach the priviliged, entitled, racist brat some manners. 

Enough of the faux pearl clutching.

 

You are only ever bothered about racism when it's against whites. That's not being anti-racism, that's just being pro-white.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

You really are going all in with this 'Hitler wasn't right wing' stance aren't you? Granted you can say the early days of the Nazi's was probably more centrist than right-wing but with the mass killing of gypsies, the disabled, intellectuals, blacks, disobedient civilians, gays and of course 6 million Jews, I think we can safely say he veered ever so slightly to what we know view as extreme right-wing.

You are clearly a rabid nutter far-left extremist.   My rational logical and impartial statements are attacked like a dog with rabies - you have no ability to differentiate facts and think logically.  I will now prove that easily - and ignore all of your further comments.

 

Stalin and Mao killed between then 50+ million people - they are NOT far right - they were far left.  It is estimated that Socialism and Communism have killed over 100 million people.  100 Years. 100 Million Lives. Think Twice. | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson (thecrimson.com)

 

Now go away (blocked).

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

You are clearly a rabid nutter far-left extremist.   My rational logical and impartial statements are attacked like a dog with rabies - you have no ability to differentiate facts and think logically.  I will now prove that easily - and ignore all of your further comments.

 

Stalin and Mao killed between then 50+ million people - they are NOT far right - they were far left.  It is estimated that Socialism and Communism have killed over 100 million people.  100 Years. 100 Million Lives. Think Twice. | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson (thecrimson.com)

 

Now go away (blocked).

Oh no, blocked. However will I ever survive!

 

Such child-like name calling and throwing the toys out of the pram just kinda backs up my point.

 

Hasta La Vista! See ya! Wouldn't wanna be ya!