hotels insisting on passport at checkin (for TM30?)

[digbeth]

Some hotels won't let you check in with just Thai driver license now, 'policy is for passport' 

What exactly is required of them in order to report T.M. 30? the passport number on driving license might not be current is understandable

 

for hotels that is this strict about reporting I doubt pink ID card would be acceptable too, it's not like they can put you down as a Thai person checking in

[Upnotover]

TM30 asks for details of your visa and entry into the country.  Only your passport will have this information.  Having said that I am not sure all this information is always completed, I certainly have TM30's with missing info.

[KhunBENQ]

Discussed frequently.

X posters, x opinions.

 

To me: they are obliged to check/copy passport for foreigners.

Some take it easy some don't .

Hotels that I stay even searching for the admitted until/extension stamp.

I would never go on an remote/overnight trip without passport. More reasons for that.

[Liquorice]

Depends on if the hotels comply with the requirements, some do, some don't.

If I'm with the wife, they usually just check her in ........... I'm just baggage.

 

The new TM30 regulations also affect hotels in so far as if you stayed beforehand and return, they are no longer required to file further TM30's.

[DrJack54]

24 minutes ago, digbeth said:

Some hotels won't let you check in with just Thai driver license now, 'policy is for passport

Why is that an issue.

My bank also requires my pp for simple withdrawal. 

No issue. 

[digbeth]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Why is that an issue.

My bank also requires my pp for simple withdrawal. 

No issue. 

 

If you can avoid being reported to 'checked in' at a hotel you can save yourself the trouble of re-reporting yourself when you're home, for the immigration office that insist on it

 

say you had a weekend away and the hotel reported you moved there say in Phuket or whatever and you didn't report that you 'moved' back to your usual place, would this be a problem when you present the initial TM30 at immigration that might not match where they had you last in their system?

[Will B Good]

6 minutes ago, digbeth said:

 

If you can avoid being reported to 'checked in' at a hotel you can save yourself the trouble of re-reporting yourself when you're home, for the immigration office that insist on it

 

say you had a weekend away and the hotel reported you moved there say in Phuket or whatever and you didn't report that you 'moved' back to your usual place, would this be a problem when you present the initial TM30 at immigration that might not match where they had you last in their system?

Pretty sure you don"t have to do that anymore.....and I have never done it.

[Yagoda]

In every foreign hotel I have ever stayed at in 40 years of traveling I have had to show my passport. No biggie

[DrJack54]

26 minutes ago, digbeth said:

 

If you can avoid being reported to 'checked in' at a hotel you can save yourself the trouble of re-reporting yourself when you're home, for the immigration office that insist on it

Law was changed in June 2020.

What you outline is no longer required. 

[Tropicalevo]

TM 30 requires a lot more than the passport number.

Nationality, when it was issued and so on. These are not on your DL.

They also require when and where you entered Thailand (immigration stamp) and how long is your visa valid for.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

22 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Law was changed in June 2020.

What you outline is no longer required. 

Thanks - any links to the Immigration Office (to show someone).

[Denim]

I had this issue once when visiting a friend in Bangkok and had forgotten my passport at home. Just stayed at a curtain hotel instead. No questions at all except would we want drinks or food.

 

Pretty good place with excellent wifi and big bath with plenty of hot water.

 

I won't mention the several porno channels or strange chair thing in the corner because I am sure AN readers would not be interested. 

Car parked downstairs behind curtain, room upstairs.

[bkk6060]

In the past 6 weeks I have stayed at various Marriotts and Hilton.  Never once showed my passport, just Thai DL.  Same on boarding domestic flights.

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Thanks - any links to the Immigration Office (to show someone).

Discussed in this thread 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1169664-thai-immigration-announce-changes-to-tm30-reporting/ 

 

In the OP take note of Para 2.2....

 

2.2 After the house holder, owner or possessor of the premise of hotel

 

manager has reported as defined in Article 2.1, the same alien has left the premise and

 

returned for another stay within the valid period, the house holder, owner or possessor

 

of the premise of hotel manager do not need to make another report;

 

The alien as defined in paragraph one shall include those who

 

being granted multiple-visa who leaves and returns to the Kingdom with specified

 

time in the visa, and those with re-entry permit.

 

 

 

Previously, most immigration offices in Thailand wanted a new TM30 report within 24 hours every time a person left and reentered the country. This change eliminates that requirement.

[quake]

5 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Pretty sure you don"t have to do that anymore.....and I have never done it.

 

100 % depends on the immigration office you use.

Nongkhai, not good.

 

[quake]

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Law was changed in June 2020.

What you outline is no longer required. 

 

Please go tell that to the immigration office in nongkhai.

Please report back with your findings. 

 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, quake said:

 

Please go tell that to the immigration office in nongkhai.

Please report back with your findings. 

 

It's impossible to qualify each statement with what rogue offices do re TM30.

 

There are ~75 offices and I posted the law and what normal offices such as CW enforce. 

CM is another rogue office. 

[quake]

5 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

It's impossible to qualify each statement with what rogue offices do re TM30.

 

There are ~75 offices and I posted the law and what normal offices such as CW enforce. 

CM is another rogue office. 

 

Well that's two.

Maybe we need a pinned thread stating these rouge immigration offices.

So no one gets misinformation.

 

Ps, I wonder how many more could go on the list.

and for many other things.

 

 

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, quake said:

Maybe we need a pinned thread stating these rouge immigration offices.

So no one gets misinformation.

Pinned thread: That won't happen.

It's not misinformation It's the law.

 

Everyone needs to be aware of their immigration office nonsense. 

 

[persimmon]

I usually hand them a photocopy of my PP - don`t trust the real thing with anyone apart from an IO . Been accepted so far . Do they really check your PP for stamps and visas ? Are they even qualified to do this ?

[SingAPorn]

The golden rule to remember in Thailand is that the clerk or officer behind his counter is God in person when dealing with a pesky foreigner. So "God" makes his own rules that the pesky falang is required to obey by the thumb. Even if the law says the opposite. Welcome to Thailand.

[NanLaew]

10 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Pretty sure you don"t have to do that anymore.....and I have never done it.

 

Fairly recent experience posted on this forum indicated that it's one aspect of Chiang Mai immigration's unique arseholeyness.

[Bday Prang]

 

10 hours ago, Yagoda said:

In every foreign hotel I have ever stayed at in 40 years of traveling I have had to show my passport. No biggie

Exactly and its not just about TM30   They want to know where to find bed wetters and towel thieves too,  Plus those who commit more serious crimes, 

[namatjira]

Sadly I travelled everywhere without my passport,  the license always worked, until it didn't,  in Bangkok and it was crackdown time....need passport......raining 9.00 pm at night and every hotel turned me away, I was due to fly out in the morning.....asked a cabbie to find me a place close to the airport and I got a 600 baht cab ride in the opposite  direction....most miserable night in my life in the most disgusting room available....do not recommend.....do not get caught like me, take your passport

[Bday Prang]

10 minutes ago, namatjira said:

Sadly I travelled everywhere without my passport,  the license always worked, until it didn't,  in Bangkok and it was crackdown time....need passport......raining 9.00 pm at night and every hotel turned me away, I was due to fly out in the morning.....asked a cabbie to find me a place close to the airport and I got a 600 baht cab ride in the opposite  direction....most miserable night in my life in the most disgusting room available....do not recommend.....do not get caught like me, take your passport

surely you would have your passport if you were flying out the next morning ?

[Tropicalevo]

10 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

In the past 6 weeks I have stayed at various Marriotts and Hilton.  Never once showed my passport, just Thai DL.  Same on boarding domestic flights.

So you broke the law and got away with it - well done.

I fail to understand why so many people are afraid to report where they are staying in Thailand.

It used to be the TM 6 card but that did not work. It relied on the honesty of the traveller.

Now it is the TM 30.

 

Photo id is OK on domestic flights.

But you do have to tell them your Nationality. (It's not on the DL.)

I once boarded a flight using a Tarongo zoo pass.

[Maestro]

18 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

surely you would have your passport if you were flying out the next morning ?

 

I have a feeling he didn't mean flying out of the country.

[Skeptic7]

This is not new. Most hotels larger than a hole in the wall B500 guesthouse have required PP for many years. 

[chuang]

Just curious what's the problem..

[Mike Lister]

As another poster has said, letting your wife or partner check in saves yet one more person handling your passport and registering details from it and copying it. That workaround notwithstanding, I always take my passport with me when I travel for an overnight away from home. 

 

I don't know that CM is a rogue office bu it does tend to implement measures before other offices. I still have the same TM30 in my passport from five years ago and we travel inside the country a fair amount.