What are the penalties if late for first 90 day report?

[cdemundo]

My first 90 day report date is due on the 12th of April 2024.

It is my understanding this had to be done in person so I didn't try to do online.

 

I see now that Chaeng Wattana immigration office is closed on April 14th, 15th and 16th.

If I go on 17th, 18th or 19th I will have to cancel work appointments and I would rather not do that.

Does immigration make any exceptions for a time when the offices are closed?

 

If I go late for report (I could easily go on April 22) I understand there will be a 2000THB fine,

but is that just paid and done or are there other difficulties if I am late reporting?

 

I would be grateful foraAny ideas or advice.

Any advice requiring a Time Machine I would be grateful if you would keep to yourself.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited April 11 by cdemundo

[Will B Good]

Might be wrong....frequently am....but I think you can do it 15 days before and up to 7 days after the due date.....mmmm....maybe that doesn't really help you?

Edited April 11 by Will B Good

[connda]

The question is:  Why are you waiting for the last minute?

You have 15 days before your due date and 7 days afterward.  If you can't get it done within those 21 days, then get you 2000 THB fine ready. 

[bubblegum]

Might as well skip it all together and pay 2000-- when you do your yearly extension. Its max 2000-- 

[DrJack54]

OP, you have answers above.

If not able to attend in person during the grace period you could consider leaving it till you have business at immigration.

You will be fined 2k baht. 

[watthong]

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

f I go on 17th, 18th or 19th I will have to cancel work appointments and I would rather not do that.

 

Unfortunately, as far as Immigration is concerned. You still have (those) 3 days to do it, if you rather not then the fines are on you. You can't blame it oh holidays or your personal affair. I personally have witnessed one stubborn farang lady triy to bargain on same scenario to no avail. They shooed her away after making her pay, and didn't bother to even print her a fine receipt.

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, you have answers above.

If not able to attend in person during the grace period you could consider leaving it till you have business at immigration.

You will be fined 2k baht. 

Thanks Dr. Jack, looks like I have a solution that will work, thanks for the info.

[zzzzz]

in Immigration offices, its a 2,000 baht fine with receipt, in some offices its a 1,000 without
miss 1 or 2,3,+++  🙂

[cdemundo]

The alternative that hasn't been mentioned is that you can send an authorized representative.

Which is what I am doing.

We will see how that works out.

[vinci]

On 4/11/2024 at 1:23 PM, bubblegum said:

Might as well skip it all together and pay 2000-- when you do your yearly extension. Its max 2000-- 

I was thinking about this, what are the consequences of doing this other than paying 2k

[DrJack54]

9 hours ago, cdemundo said:

The alternative that hasn't been mentioned is that you can send an authorized representative.

Which is what I am doing.

We will see how that works out.

Works fine.

[jimn]

On 4/11/2024 at 12:49 PM, cdemundo said:

My first 90 day report date is due on the 12th of April 2024.

It is my understanding this had to be done in person so I didn't try to do online.

First 90 day report after what. Have you ever used the online system before? If you have ignore those that tell you the first one has to be done in person.

I am on a Retirement extension and every year I visit the UK for 4 months and return to Thailand to the same address with a re entry permit. First online 90 day works no problem.

This year I entered on a new passport. I had the stamps transferred to my new passport, again my first 90 online worked perfectly.

[CANSIAM]

Try to get there by the 19th. Nothing - Zero to be gained by annoying Immigration...........

[KhunLA]

[OJAS]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

 

Don't know where you got that info from, but the version of the TM47 form currently downloadable from the Immigration Bureau website includes the following statement at the very end:

 

(The fine of Overdue Notification is not exceeding 5,000 Baht)

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/18.Form-TM-47.pdf

 

Edited April 13 by OJAS

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, OJAS said:

 

Don't know where you got that info from, but the version of the TM47 form currently downloadable from the Immigration Bureau website includes the following statement at the very end:

 

(The fine of Overdue Notification is not exceeding 5,000 Baht)

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/18.Form-TM-47.pdf

 

Also from TH imm site:

...  "If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying residence to immigration officer or notifying later than the set period, must notify in person and a fine of 2,000.- THB will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he/her will be fined 5,000.- THB with an additional fine not exceeding 200.- THB for each day which passes until the law is complied with."

 

PPrevious post was from G search and one of first that popped up, 

 

Definitely starts @ 2000, as got the little slip when reporting late by mail, hoping to avoid, but was returned with 2000 baht fine slip, and informed to report in person ASAP.   When extending visa, shortly after, the Imm officer, simply set it aside, with smile on her face, and didn't fine me.

 

THANK YOU very much

[Maestro]

12 hours ago, KhunLA said:

...THB will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he/her will be fined 5,000.- THB with an additional fine not exceeding 200.- THB for each day which passes until the law is complied with...

 

The above part of the text shown on the website of the Immigration Bureau is incorrect. Whether the Immigration Bureau did this due to ignorance or deliberately in order to frighten foreigners, I do not know.

[JimTripper]

On 4/11/2024 at 1:25 PM, DrJack54 said:

OP, you have answers above.

If not able to attend in person during the grace period you could consider leaving it till you have business at immigration.

You will be fined 2k baht. 

This says it's 2000 per day late, not 2000?? Is that correct?

 

[DrJack54]

6 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

This says it's 2000 per day late, not 2000?? Is that correct?

 

That looks like some rubbish by local immigration office and refers to "if arrested" 

Here is what is stated in immigration site for TM47.....

 

"If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying residence to immigration officer or notifying later than the set period, must notify in person and a fine of 2,000.- THB will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he/her will be fined not less than 4,000.- THB with an additional fine not exceeding 200.- THB for each day which passes until the law is complied with."

[JimTripper]

21 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

That looks like some rubbish by local immigration office and refers to "if arrested" 

Here is what is stated in immigration site for TM47.....

 

"If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying residence to immigration officer or notifying later than the set period, must notify in person and a fine of 2,000.- THB will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he/her will be fined not less than 4,000.- THB with an additional fine not exceeding 200.- THB for each day which passes until the law is complied with."

You may want it to be that way, but that's not what the slip says.

 

If you think it's a typo, they are still asking 5k, not 4k, suggesting it's not a typo on the 2k.

Edited August 27 by JimTripper

[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

You may want it to be that way, but that's not what the slip says.

https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/tm47online-manual/

 

Open that link and everything you want to know about TM47 is outlined.

Including penalties. 

[Upnotover]

14 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

You may want it to be that way, but that's not what the slip says.

 

If you think it's a typo, they are still asking 5k, not 4k, suggesting it's not a typo on the 2k.

The CW slip says 5000 and 200/day.  Seems entirely random, perhaps things change and they read their own manual when they actually implement the penalty.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

The CW slip says 5000 and 200/day.  Seems entirely random, perhaps things change and they read their own manual when they actually implement the penalty.

That amount is if someone is arrested.

 

If just attending immigration and paying fine for filing late TM47 then the penality is 2000b

[JimTripper]

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

That amount is if someone is arrested.

 

If just attending immigration and paying fine for filing late TM47 then the penality is 2000b

The slip does not mention arrest. Seems like there are other rules out there, just to make others aware.

Edited August 27 by JimTripper

[DrJack54]

7 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

The slip does not mention arrest. Seems like there are other rules out there, just to make others aware.

Forget the "slip" 

Open the link I posted and read penalties regarding TM47 compliance 

Here it is for second time.

https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/tm47online-manual/ 

 

"Failure to notify or late notification must notify in person and pay a fine of 2,000 baht, rising to 5,000 baht if apprehended."

[Maestro]

That's the information posted on the the website but it is not legally correct.

[jvs]

18 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Forget the "slip" 

Open the link I posted and read penalties regarding TM47 compliance 

Here it is for second time.

https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/tm47online-manual/ 

 

"Failure to notify or late notification must notify in person and pay a fine of 2,000 baht, rising to 5,000 baht if apprehended."

Just to clarify,not doing your ninety day report is an arrestable offense?

I did not know that but maybe they mean something else?

 

 

[DrJack54]

Just now, jvs said:

Just to clarify,not doing your ninety day report is an arrestable offense?

It's referring to if you are arrested for something eg bar fight and subsequently seen to have not made a TM47 when required. 

[Lorry]

If I skip a 90days report and later leave Thailand, immigration doesn't give me a fine when I leave.  This far I know.

 

What happens if I come back later and then go to immigration for my yearly retirement extension? Do they care about missing 90day-reports from before my last trip abroad?

[DrJack54]

26 minutes ago, Lorry said:

What happens if I come back later and then go to immigration for my yearly retirement extension? Do they care about missing 90day-reports from before my last trip abroad?

The thing is many offices want a TM47 receipt. 

Esp at eg CW where they have a doc check girl.

In my example my last report was 10 months ago. I will show that receipt and my pp can show due to travel no reporting was due in last 10 months.

Never continuously in country 90+ days