4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I do, yes .

When the IDF make mistakes, they hold their hands up and admit to their mistakes .

Hey look, and it's not even Al Jazeera!

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-21/ty-article/.premium/israelis-need-the-army-spokesmans-lies-to-keep-believing-were-winning/0000018c-8cdb-da31-adff-8edb0f430000

 

2 minutes ago, Presto said:

Hey look, and it's not even Al Jazeera!

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-21/ty-article/.premium/israelis-need-the-army-spokesmans-lies-to-keep-believing-were-winning/0000018c-8cdb-da31-adff-8edb0f430000

 

 

   What point is it making .

What point are you making with the link ?

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Link

Here's one of a few...

 

Israel has not created a gold standard in civilian harm mitigation in war. That implies there is a standard in civilian casualties in war that is acceptable or not acceptable; that zero civilian deaths in war is remotely possible and should be the goal; that there is a set civilian-to-combatant ratio in war no matter the context or tactics of the enemy. But all available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties to historically low levels.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   In the real World, Israeli is being commended for keeping civilians causalities to a minimum and their techniques for urban warfare will soon be taught to all other armies that don't want to kill civilians 

'keeping civilian casualties to a minimum'?

 

Please read the official IDF policy.

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  But its an Elite kind of racism .

Its different to all the rest 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

As I've mentioned before, I now prefer to replace Jew hatred for antisemitism because Jew haters often play stupid games about how Arabs are semites too, etc. ignoring the established definition of antisemitism (about Jews only). So it's just a proactive posture to shut such haters up as they always go there, sooner or later.

I don't think the word antisemitism will go away, but replacing it with Jew hatred is growing for the reason I mentioned.

Are these things antisemitic? L.A. Jews tell us - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

What is antisemitism? And who gets to decide?

Dov Waxman: Fundamentally, antisemitism is anti-Jewish racism. It’s distinct — it has its own history and different kinds of manifestations, but it is a form of racism.

 

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Link

 

  Here 

Israel Has Created a New Standard for Urban Warfare

The Israel Defense Forces conducted an operation at al-Shifa hospital in the Gaza Strip to root out Hamas terrorists recently, once again taking unique precautions as it entered the facility to protect the innocent; Israeli media reported that doctors accompanied the forces to help Palestinian patients if needed. They were also reported to be carrying food, water and medical supplies for the civilians inside.

 

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's one of a few...

 

Israel has not created a gold standard in civilian harm mitigation in war. That implies there is a standard in civilian casualties in war that is acceptable or not acceptable; that zero civilian deaths in war is remotely possible and should be the goal; that there is a set civilian-to-combatant ratio in war no matter the context or tactics of the enemy. But all available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties to historically low levels.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

The British fought one of the worlds most effective terrorist organizations for decades, killing a tiny fraction of the civilians the Israelis have.

 

Claims of ‘Israeli gold standard’ are clearly not a reality.

 

2 minutes ago, Presto said:

'keeping civilian casualties to a minimum'?

 

Please read the official IDF policy.

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

 

   You really should write your opinion yourself and then back it up with links, rather than just keeping on sending links with no explanation of what is contained in the link .

 

3 minutes ago, Presto said:

'keeping civilian casualties to a minimum'?

 

Please read the official IDF policy.

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

Not correct:

 

The process of identifying military targets in the IDF consists of various types of tools and methods, including information management tools, which are used in order to help the intelligence analysts to gather and optimally analyze the intelligence, obtained from a variety of sources. Contrary to claims, the IDF does not use an artificial intelligence system that identifies terrorist operatives or tries to predict whether a person is a terrorist. Information systems are merely tools for analysts in the target identification process. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-defence-forces-response-to-claims-about-use-of-lavender-ai-database-in-gaza

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The British fought one of the worlds most effective terrorist organizations for decades, killing a tin fraction of the civilians the Israelis have.

 

Claims of ‘Israeli gold standard’ are clearly  it reality.

What's that got to do with the article and the fighting methods used by Hamas in Gaza?

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not correct:

 

The process of identifying military targets in the IDF consists of various types of tools and methods, including information management tools, which are used in order to help the intelligence analysts to gather and optimally analyze the intelligence, obtained from a variety of sources. Contrary to claims, the IDF does not use an artificial intelligence system that identifies terrorist operatives or tries to predict whether a person is a terrorist. Information systems are merely tools for analysts in the target identification process. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-defence-forces-response-to-claims-about-use-of-lavender-ai-database-in-gaza

Thank you for posting that defensive explanation by the IDF.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

What's that got to do with the article and the fighting methods used by Hamas in Gaza?

It’s got a lot to do with the claim the Israelis created a gold standard.

 

Clearly they did not.

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The British fought one of the worlds most effective terrorist organizations for decades, killing a tin fraction of the civilians the Israelis have.

 

Claims of ‘Israeli gold standard’ are clearly  it reality.

 

   The troubles in Ireland and the Gaza war are incomparable .

Two very different situations .

To be fair to the Israelis.

 

I have every expectation they would minimize civilian casualties if the murderous Hamas were holed up in a crowded Israeli neighborhood.

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You really should write your opinion yourself and then back it up with links, rather than just keeping on sending links with no explanation of what is contained in the link .

 

If you don't have the time or capability to read extensive articles about the subject, not my problem.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s got a lot to do with the claim the Israelis created a gold standard.

 

Clearly they did not.

 

 

Ok so now we've established its nothing like the IRA, where does the article claim Israelis created a gold standard?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The troubles in Ireland and the Gaza war are incomparable .

Two very different situations .

Yep,

 

The civilians in NI had citizenship and the political at sympathies of the U.S.

The Palestinians have neither of these things.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Ok so now we've established its nothing like the IRA, where does the article claim Israelis created a gold standard?

That's what your buddy claimed 

Interjecting in a discussion without knowing the discussion is not a good idea.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Ok so now we've established its nothing like the IRA, where does the article claim Israelis created a gold standard?

You are. Perfect, Israel has not created a gold standard in civilian casualties.

 

But with the on going carnage they are working on it.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep,

 

The civilians in NI had citizenship and the political at sympathies of the U.S.

The Palestinians have neither of these things.

 

 

 

   I did mean that the war situation was different  , the fighting was different .

Like , the IRA didn't invade the UK and take hostages back to Ireland . 

Two different wars , incomparable 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You are. Perfect, Israel has not created a gold standard in civilian casualties.

 

But with the on going carnage they are working on it.

You said:

 

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s got a lot to do with the claim the Israelis created a gold standard.

 

Where does the article say that?

6 minutes ago, Presto said:

If you don't have the time or capability to read extensive articles about the subject, not my problem.

 

   Yes, I just don't want to spend my day opening a reading links , they are often behind paywalls or you need to join or allow ADs . 

   Although I haven't opened your links, so I wouldn't know whether your links are like that 

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

That's what your buddy claimed 

Interjecting in a discussion without knowing the discussion is not a good idea.

 

What buddy? Interjecting where, a bit like you are doing now you mean?

8 hours ago, Neeranam said:

in fact there is an unproportionately high  number of Jews in Senate/Government and an unproportionately low number of Muslims. Both religious groups are around 2% of the population, but many Muslims are not counted in the pop figures. Jews in Senate, 9% and in top positions, Muslims 1%.

That could be down to the way the two groups carry themselves, their attitudes etc.

 

Jewish Americans + Europeans tend to be ambitious and well integrated into society. 

 

Whereas you have a religion where there are social restrictions (e.g. no alcohol), intolerance of other religions, rules such as you are forbidden to pay interest on borrowed money (check out how hedge funds and lenders have to set up convoluted arrangements for 'Islamic finance'), continuous stories of religiously motivated violence across the globe - how might these things affect the success rate of Muslims? 

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I did mean that the war situation was different  , the fighting was different .

Like , the IRA didn't invade the UK and take hostages back to Ireland . 

Two different wars , incomparable 

The IRA absolutely did attack within the UK, both in NI and the mainland, they also took hostages, murdered captives.

 

And settled the conflict by means of negotiation.

 

There are a great many lessons to lean from that conflict, including it is possible to combat terrorist in an urban environment without mass civilian casualties and deeply divided sectarian conflict can end by means of negations.

 

Back to the topic. Apparently Hamas run Gaza Health Authority have have confirmed the NYPD has arrested 17,654 people at Columbia University tonight. 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The IRA absolutely did attack within the UK,

 

 

   I said invade , INVADE the UK , INVADE , not attack .

Ireland didn't invade the UK,  like what happed on Oct 7 th 

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You said:

 

Where does the article say that?

 

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are [corect], Israel has not created a gold standard in civilian casualties.

 

But with the on going carnage they are working on it.

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Back to the topic. Apparently Hamas run Gaza Health Authority have have confirmed the NYPD has arrested 17,654 people at Columbia University tonight. 

 

   And 19 000 of those were innocent  woman and children hospitalised on the verge  starving to death 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I said invade , INVADE the UK , INVADE , not attack .

Ireland didn't invade the UK,  like what happed on Oct 7 th 

You’re hiding behind semantics.

 

And adjusting your argument as it gets challenged.