Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[beautifulthailand99]

This has been huge on the channels I frequent for many many months - big demos against enforced conscription and one of my wife's friends boyfriend is an Ukrainian draft dodger from Kyiv who never wants to go back. Why would he  ? He hates Putin and Zelenskiy with equal vigour. As the article says all the brave ones are conscripted or dead and of course the endemic corruption that taints eveything.

 

There is also a widespread belief that the mobilising officers have bribed their way into the job and are shirking “real” military duty at the front. Pimakhov said this was not true. “There are 10 people in our group, we only take people who were formerly at the front. I think people who weren’t at the front themselves don’t have the moral right to mobilise others.”

The hostility towards mobilisation officers has been enhanced by a series of corruption cases in which conscription officers have been shown to take bribes to allow men to evade the draft.

Pimakhov and Pikhota have been unwanted stars of a viral TikTok video in which they were berated by a passerby for trying to serve a summons on a young man, and they were mocked mercilessly in the comments.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/06/mobilisation-squads-face-hostility-ukraine-army

Edited June 6 by beautifulthailand99

[jvs]

Please take some time to watch this video,it is long and the sound is a bit off but the content is dead on!

The way the facts are,told by a Russian!

 

[Danderman123]

11 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

According to The Telegraph, the whole Russian "Victory Day" offensive on Kharkhiv has failed - and seriously backfired on them.

 

 

Putin’s ‘Victory Day’ offensive in northern Ukraine has backfired spectacularly

The Russians mostly stalled, but they still advance in some places. It won't be a backfire until the Russians are pushed back across the border.

[jvs]

 

[johng]

On 5/23/2024 at 10:44 AM, Bkk Brian said:

You shouldn't be so dishonest, you have still not provided a link for this claim.

 

"Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !"

 

Just admit you made a mistake and move on.

 

Tell that to  David Cameron.

 

The best thing we can do this year is to help keep the Ukrainians in this fight..they are fighting so bravely ..............

I argue that it is extremely good value for money for the United States and others

perhaps for about 5 or 10 percent of your defence budget almost half of Russia's pre war military equipment has been destroyed  for without the loss of a single American life this is an investment in United States security.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Tell that to  David Cameron.

 

The best thing we can do this year is to help keep the Ukrainians in this fight..they are fighting so bravely ..............

I argue that it is extremely good value for money for the United States and others

perhaps for about 5 or 10 percent of your defence budget almost half of Russia's pre war military equipment has been destroyed  for without the loss of a single American life this is an investment in United States security.

 

 

Omg. That is still not what you quoted...

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

The Russians mostly stalled, but they still advance in some places. It won't be a backfire until the Russians are pushed back across the border.

The point the writer of the article is making, is that it has already backfired because it led directly to the US agreeing to let US weapons be used to strike targets inside Russia - and this is something that has already started happening, to devastating effect.

Edited June 7 by GroveHillWanderer

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The point the writer of the article is making, is that it has already backfired because it led directly to the US agreeing to let US weapons be used to strike targets inside Russia - and this is something that has already started happening, to devastating effect.

and the Russians will just blow up more of Ukraine in response.

[Mavideol]

Vlad is afraid 555

Putin Rages As Reporter Asks About Attacking Nato: 'Are You As Dumb As This Table?'

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-rages-reporter-asks-attacking-103855341.html

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and the Russians will just blow up more of Ukraine in response.

That will please you, eh.............

[Mavideol]

we all knew that, but just in case some forgot  555

Biden: Putin ‘not a decent man — he’s a dictator’

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/biden-putin-not-decent-man-125303504.html

 

[Mavideol]

Putin makes rare claim on Ukraine war casualties

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-makes-rare-claim-ukraine-215159971.html

[Mavideol]

and some good news at the D Day meeting

 

Ukraine-Russia war – latest: France to supply Mirage 2000 fighter jets and train Ukrainian pilots

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-latest-putin-035046932.html

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

Putin maybe having financial trouble coming, he's running out of money, I guess Xi's renminbi's are nor enough 555

 

Putin’s Wartime Central Banker Tells Him What He Doesn’t Want to Hear

https://au.yahoo.com/finance/news/putin-wartime-central-banker-tells-040030102.html

 

[Mavideol]

Russia's latest threat is troubling – Putin's words feel like a step up in rhetoric

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russias-latest-threat-troubling-putins-173800935.html

 

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Russia's latest threat is troubling – Putin's words feel like a step up in rhetoric

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russias-latest-threat-troubling-putins-173800935.html

 

His threats as usual are a bunch of hot air.

The aim is to persuade the west to back off. 

He knows he's losing now.

[Jingthing]

33 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Vlad is afraid 555

Putin Rages As Reporter Asks About Attacking Nato: 'Are You As Dumb As This Table?'

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-rages-reporter-asks-attacking-103855341.html

 

Another fascist projecting what he is on others.

 

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, transam said:

That will please you, eh.............

You've got him pegged.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You've got him pegged.

Weeell, the blokes a Red tool............🤗

[Denim]

Latvia has found a novel way to help Ukraine and solve one of its own problems.

 

Latvia sends cars seized from drunk drivers to Ukraine

Imants Liepins

Wed, June 5, 2024 at 9:43 PM GMT+7·2 min read

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A Latvian volunteer helps convert a seized SUV into an armoured medevac transport for Ukraine's medical corps (Gints Ivuskans)

Latvian drunk drivers are making an important -- if not entirely voluntary -- contribution to helping Ukraine fend off the Russian invasion.

In a parking lot outside the capital Riga, some 100 cars confiscated from drunk drivers are being repaired and adapted before being sent to the front line in Ukraine.

In a nifty move to combat both endemic drunk driving at home and support Kyiv, Latvian authorities are handing seized vehicles over to the Ukrainian military.

 

Some are even being armoured and turned into medevacs to evacuate wounded soldiers.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latvia-sends-cars-seized-drunk-144342077.html

 

[johng]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Omg. That is still not what you quoted...

 

 

What he said is even worse   not only Ukrainian but Russian life's lost too

are "extremely good value for money"   (AKA  well worth the price)

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Weeell, the blokes a Red tool............🤗

I get your meaning but Putin's Russia is not red.

[retarius]

On 5/19/2024 at 4:39 PM, tgw said:

 

We already know Chamberlain's politics didn't work.

Your way of thinking is flawed.

Bowing to Ruzzian aggression just to avoid a war with Ruzzia weakens Europe even more, China will have a stronger position versus EU weaklings than vs. EU doing the right thing now.
Ruzzia-Iran-China is an axis of evil with currently one aggressive member, one contained member and one for-the-moment-silent partner "without limits".

Ruzzia vs. Europe

China vs. USA

and

Iran as a sh*t-stirrer

 

You say "Asian countries" as if they were homogenous and all on the same economic and societal development level as Europe.

China is a member of the axis of evil and North Korea is an associate member. Many other Asian countries aren't democratic in the first place, such as Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia and a couple others I forgot, some have enough trouble at home, such as Taiwan and others aren't significant in terms of military and finances. Others aren't economically developed and busy with themselves such as India, Philippines, Indonesia.

 

Let's look at two developed, democratic major Asian countries : Japan and South Korea - both support Ukraine.

 

Dangerous stupid thinking. The Chamberlain example is way overworked and is not the root of this conflict as you well know.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, johng said:

 

What he said is even worse   not only Ukrainian but Russian life's lost too

are "extremely good value for money"   (AKA  well worth the price)

Oh your way of not being able to back up claims is create a strawman 

[tgw]

5 minutes ago, retarius said:

Dangerous stupid thinking. The Chamberlain example is way overworked and is not the root of this conflict as you well know.

 

Nonsense post with zero content other than calling me stupid.

Why do so many anti-West and pro-Putin posts use expressions such as "as you well know" "my friends" etc ?

 

We are not friends with you and people like you, and no, we don't know what you (and your friends) all know so well. You will have to explain what you know so well but we don't.

[beautifulthailand99]

35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and the Russians will just blow up more of Ukraine in response.

Exactly - that is what will happen one remembers the US triumphalist  cry of "we will bomb them back to the stone age" - the hand wringers then were the lefty-commie malcontents that cause some of our members such irritation. The west fighting small, corrupt statelets such as Afghanistan or Iraq and watching the videos of high tech weaponry and the lack of body bags fed into delusions of western military supeririority. When you attack a near peer adversary with a back stop of nukes and extensive resources and military manufacturing ability and a populace that broadly supports their leadership and is prepared to die and fight in large numbers, and couple that with an ecomomy moving towards total war production you need to match that or be prepared to lose /negotiate. Oh and it's looking like the western military industrial complex like Eisenhower most accurately forecasted has bled us dry with high tech weaponry that is fighing the last centuries war.

 

When Russian tanks like all tanks proved so susceptible to drone attack and disablement  - Ivan (apparently it is coal mining engineers in Donetsk came up with the turtle tank configuration , cope cages and drone jamming devices which have proved so effective.) Cost a few cases of vodka and scrap metal that was lying around.

 

Meanwhile no doubt somewhere in General Dynamics a project team has been set up to report back in 2025 and design a billion dollar project to put to the Pentagon .

 

https://unherd.com/2024/06/britain-doesnt-want-to-go-to-war/

[tgw]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and the Russians will just blow up more of Ukraine in response.

 

nope.

Ruzzians already are using ALL of their arsenal to blow up everything they can in Ukraine, so there won't be a change.

 

All of Ruzzia's monthly missile production is used in swarming strikes once or twice a month, which is a tactic to overwhelm Ukrainian air defence.

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

This coming out of Carnegie is probably a little heads up that we are at the limit of what the US will authorise and alarm at what a desperte Ukraine may do. It's an inner Beltway think tank and has the ear of the President and his advisers and maybe even channels his voice.

 

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/06/ukraine-prohibition-us-weapons-strike-russia?lang=en

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Endowment_for_International_Peace

 

The unfortunate reality is that there is a divergence between U.S. and Ukrainian interests. Kyiv has demonstrated that, in fighting off Russian aggression, it is willing to raise the risk of Russian nuclear use. Fair enough. Americans have their own interests, including seeing Ukraine successfully preserve its freedom and independence, but without risking a nuclear war in the process. It is not enough for American officials to express concern to Kyiv about the recent strikes. The United States should decline to further loosen its restrictions on the use of U.S.-supplied weapons. To relax the rules would risk American weapons being used against highly sensitive targets in Russia—including nuclear installations or leadership facilities, as well as early warning radars—thus potentially dragging the United States into in a high-stakes crisis against a nuclear-armed adversary.

[johng]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh your way of not being able to back up claims is create a strawman 

 

I backed up my claims with video evidence x 3

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

 

I backed up my claims with video evidence x 3

"Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !"

 

Where?