Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Danderman123]

56 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Absolute rubbish. You know not of what you speak. Propagandised but too ignorant to realise it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibo

From your link:

 

"In cooperation with internet censorship in China, Sina sets strict controls over the posts on its services. Posts with links using some URL shortening services (including Google's goo.gl), or containing blacklisted keywords, are not allowed on Sina Weibo. Posts on politically sensitive topics are deleted after manual checking. Users with few followers may be able to post on censored topics with relative freedom until they reach a critical mass of followers, which triggers enforced content supervision."

 

In other words, you are wrong.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 6/20/2024 at 5:53 PM, Seppius said:

My question was do YOU want Russia to win and take over running Ukraine?

I answered that long ago ( but not to you ). I don't care who runs Ukraine. It was a corrupt country before the war, it is probably a corrupt country now and probably will be corrupt as long as it's called Ukraine.

 

I also said that Russia likely has zero interest in taking it over entirely. Putin will keep what he has and Zelensky, Biden and co can suck on it. IMO Zelensky is history soon as an election is held and good riddance.

[VBer]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Go live in China and post critical comments about Xi, the party

Go to the free world and post something that lgbt agenda went out of borders or that the crime definitely have color. You will be kicked out from job and canceled in a heartbeat.

[ChicagoExpat]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I answered that long ago ( but not to you ). I don't care who runs Ukraine. It was a corrupt country before the war, it is probably a corrupt country now and probably will be corrupt as long as it's called Ukraine.

 

I also said that Russia likely has zero interest in taking it over entirely. Putin will keep what he has and Zelensky, Biden and co can suck on it. IMO Zelensky is history soon as an election is held and good riddance.

Again, the more someone says "I don't care who wins" and "I just want peace" the more certain it is they support Russia.  Russia has "zero interest in taking it over entirely"?  That's an evidence-contrary assertion, given that the initial failed invasion tried to do exactly that, and they have been taking pieces for years now through the invasions of Crimea and the Kremlin-sponsored, cooked-up war in the east.  If they end up with only the territory they've already stolen, or nothing, it's not because they had "zero interest" in taking over the whole thing.  It's because they failed, and will be trying again in the next few years after rebuilding their army and laying a groundwork using tired-and-true FSB-led methods.

[ChicagoExpat]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Believe what you like. If you insist on remaining ignorant and dumb, that’s your prerogative.

 

I wondered in another thread why some posters like to throw out lame insults and labels like stooge, communist, apologist etc. Schoolboy bullying mentality and lack of maturity I guess.

Gweiloman, you know you COULD try addressing the substance of the comment.  Your cries of insults  are pretty hilarious, given that you frequently do the same, and by "bullying" we all understand you to mean "countering your CCP/Kremlin agitprop."

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Again, the more someone says "I don't care who wins" and "I just want peace" the more certain it is they support Russia.  Russia has "zero interest in taking it over entirely"?  That's an evidence-contrary assertion, given that the initial failed invasion tried to do exactly that, and they have been taking pieces for years now through the invasions of Crimea and the Kremlin-sponsored, cooked-up war in the east.  If they end up with only the territory they've already stolen, or nothing, it's not because they had "zero interest" in taking over the whole thing.  It's because they failed, and will be trying again in the next few years after rebuilding their army and laying a groundwork using tired-and-true FSB-led methods.

I never said I "don't care who wins" or I "support peace".

Makes zero difference to me who runs the place. The war there is completely irrelevant to me as long as some madman doesn't start using nukes. Give me a reason I should care more about Ukraine than about Sudan, or Burma, or The Congo.

Human world is IMO on a death spiral with ever improving ways of killing each other. IMO it's just a matter of time till MAD happens, or a more efficient virus is released and bye bye humans. Hopefully the next dominant species is a better caretaker of the planet than we were.

[ChicagoExpat]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I never said I "don't care who wins" or I "support peace".

So, you care who wins but you don't care who runs Ukraine; it's hard to imagine how one can differentiate the two.  Oh well, have a good day.

[jvs]

Russian soldier gets injured by a drone and his comrad puts a bullet in his head!

There are no words for this!

 

[jvs]

 

[thaibeachlovers]

30 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

So, you care who wins but you don't care who runs Ukraine; it's hard to imagine how one can differentiate the two.  Oh well, have a good day.

I don't care who wins, but I never said that, so I was just pointing that out. I said I don't care who runs Ukraine, nothing about winning.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't care who wins, but I never said that, so I was just pointing that out. I said I don't care who runs Ukraine, nothing about winning.

If you didn't care you wouldn't be such a prolific poster on the Ukraine topics. More denial from you. More imaginary sitting on the fence nonsense.

[jvs]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

If you didn't care you wouldn't be such a prolific poster on the Ukraine topics. More denial from you. More imaginary sitting on the fence nonsense.

Yes denial and stupidity,not really thinking or able to do so.

Only worried about themselves in case of nuclear events?

How can the pretend to even be a normal human?

Not having an opinion about who is right or wrong but still have a lot of bs to say?

Better stop here.

 

[rabas]

58 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't care who wins, but I never said that, so I was just pointing that out. I said I don't care who runs Ukraine, nothing about winning.

 

So if somehow America were to 'run Ukraine' your OK?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, rabas said:

 

So if somehow America were to 'run Ukraine' your OK?

 

It's not a question of me being OK. I don't care who runs Ukraine.

 

However the idea that the US would run Ukraine is ludicrous. You must be desperate to come up with that sort of nonsense.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't care who wins, but I never said that, so I was just pointing that out. I said I don't care who runs Ukraine, nothing about winning.

Except your posts 100% align with Kremlin talking points, so there's that.

 

There's a weird dishonesty in the pro-Russian crowd and it exists across platforms and types of media.  For whatever faults they have, Western supporters of Ukraine identify themselves as such, sometimes too enthusiastically 🙂  But the pro-Russian Western crowd almost NEVER just flat out says it.  It's always "I'm just an honest bystander, calling it as I see it.  I have no interest in this."  And then continues to be an RT-spouting sock puppet.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

Except your posts 100% align with Kremlin talking points, so there's that.

 

There's a weird dishonesty in the pro-Russian crowd and it exists across platforms and types of media.  For whatever faults they have, Western supporters of Ukraine identify themselves as such, sometimes too enthusiastically 🙂  But the pro-Russian Western crowd almost NEVER just flat out says it.  It's always "I'm just an honest bystander, calling it as I see it.  I have no interest in this."  And then continues to be an RT-spouting sock puppet.

and your posts align with the US talking points- so what? Why do you even care what I think? I'm not going to change my opinion that Ukraine was always going to lose based on your posts.

 

My interest in this topic is about western over reach, not about who runs Ukraine. I never cared about Ukraine per se in the past and I'm not about to do so now. I do care about the west flirting with nuclear catastrophe and wasting billions better spent on their own citizens.

 

IMO the west is going down the same path as Rome in it's long spiral to doom, and we will all pay for it when the west is reduced to insignificance. 

[rabas]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Absolute rubbish. You know not of what you speak. Propagandised but too ignorant to realise it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibo

 

A link!   But it doesn't support your claim. Weibo is the most censored SM website in the world. Just google "Weibo censorship" and spend the rest of your life reading. Here is wiki:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China

 

China censors both the publishing and viewing of online material. Many controversial events are censored from news coverage, preventing many Chinese citizens from knowing about the actions of their government, and severely restricting freedom of the press.^[1] 

 

If you think China is free, try taking a batch of books into China in your luggage. You'll 'find out' real fast.

[ChicagoExpat]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and your posts align with the US talking points- so what? Why do you even care what I think? I'm not going to change my opinion that Ukraine was always going to lose based on your posts.

 

My interest in this topic is about western over reach, not about who runs Ukraine. I never cared about Ukraine per se in the past and I'm not about to do so now. I do care about the west flirting with nuclear catastrophe and wasting billions better spent on their own citizens.

 

IMO the west is going down the same path as Rome in it's long spiral to doom, and we will all pay for it when the west is reduced to insignificance. 

Seeing as this is a forum for discussing what we all think, I'm surprised my inquiries came as such a shock.  In no post have I ever tried to persuade you that will Ukraine will win or lose; the only things I have argued anywhere is that 1) Russia's actions are wrong and should be opposed  2) Russia's supporters in the West argue dishonestly  3) you are a prime example of #2. 

 

"You never care" but post frequently, ALWAYS reflecting the pro-Russia POV.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Seeing as this is a forum for discussing what we all think, I'm surprised my inquiries came as such a shock.  In no post have I ever tried to persuade you that will Ukraine will win or lose; the only things I have argued anywhere is that 1) Russia's actions are wrong and should be opposed  2) Russia's supporters in the West argue dishonestly  3) you are a prime example of #2. 

 

"You never care" but post frequently, ALWAYS reflecting the pro-Russia POV.

Yes transparently pro Putin and very sickening that is. 

[tgw]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Seeing as this is a forum for discussing what we all think, I'm surprised my inquiries came as such a shock.  In no post have I ever tried to persuade you that will Ukraine will win or lose; the only things I have argued anywhere is that 1) Russia's actions are wrong and should be opposed  2) Russia's supporters in the West argue dishonestly  3) you are a prime example of #2. 

 

"You never care" but post frequently, ALWAYS reflecting the pro-Russia POV.

 

some people here a very obviously a piece of Putin's propaganda machine.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I never said I "don't care who wins" or I "support peace".

Makes zero difference to me who runs the place. The war there is completely irrelevant to me as long as some madman doesn't start using nukes. Give me a reason I should care more about Ukraine than about Sudan, or Burma, or The Congo.

Human world is IMO on a death spiral with ever improving ways of killing each other. IMO it's just a matter of time till MAD happens, or a more efficient virus is released and bye bye humans. Hopefully the next dominant species is a better caretaker of the planet than we were.

Says the guy who has made 1,000s of posts about Ukraine, and close to zero about Sudan, Congo or Burma.

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia war live: Moscow blames US for Crimea strike as UN warns against attacks near nuclear plant

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-latest-putin-035046932.html

 

[Gweiloman]

5 hours ago, rabas said:

 

A link!   But it doesn't support your claim. Weibo is the most censored SM website in the world. Just google "Weibo censorship" and spend the rest of your life reading. Here is wiki:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China

 

China censors both the publishing and viewing of online material. Many controversial events are censored from news coverage, preventing many Chinese citizens from knowing about the actions of their government, and severely restricting freedom of the press.^[1] 

 

If you think China is free, try taking a batch of books into China in your luggage. You'll 'find out' real fast.

Tik tok about to be banned. DJI drones about to be banned. 100% tariffs on products we are unable to efficiently produce. If you don’t do as we tell you, you will be sanctioned. You are not allowed to sell your products to certain countries. The,police can’t guarantee your safety; after all, we kill 3 of you a day, on average.

 

Welcome to the free world! Errr… thanks but no thanks.

[Gweiloman]

7 hours ago, VBer said:

Go to the free world and post something that lgbt agenda went out of borders or that the crime definitely have color. You will be kicked out from job and canceled in a heartbeat.

Just so you know, the post you responded to wasn’t mine. 

[ElwoodP]

Name calling post and reply removed. Please be polite to other posters.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Tik tok about to be banned. DJI drones about to be banned. 100% tariffs on products we are unable to efficiently produce. If you don’t do as we tell you, you will be sanctioned. You are not allowed to sell your products to certain countries. The,police can’t guarantee your safety; after all, we kill 3 of you a day, on average.

 

Welcome to the free world! Errr… thanks but no thanks.

 

Poster deflects extreme Chinese censorship by citing bans due to extreme Chinese espionage. Explains this is why he hates the US. Suggests others can't reason.

 

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

 

Poster deflects extreme Chinese censorship by citing bans due to extreme Chinese espionage. Explains this is why he hates the US. Suggests others can't reason.

 

Extreme Chinese espionage? 

 

I guess you don’t know where Singapore is either.

 

Thanks for the laugh. Best I had all day

[Gweiloman]

It’s been 24 hours since the attack on a civilian beach in Sevastopol that killed and injured scores of civilians sunbathing by the beach. Yet, hardly any coverage of this incident in western media nor on here.

 

Those of us who understand and condone Russia’s SMO has been regularly described as disgusting, sickening, despicable etc.  Whatever. How would you describe this attack? Glorious? Honourable? For God and country? To Russia with love?

[kwonitoy]

 

where the missiles went and where they came from, good shooting

[kwonitoy]

25 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

It’s been 24 hours since the attack on a civilian beach in Sevastopol that killed and injured scores of civilians sunbathing by the beach. Yet, hardly any coverage of this incident in western media nor on here.

 

Those of us who understand and condone Russia’s SMO has been regularly described as disgusting, sickening, despicable etc.  Whatever. How would you describe this attack? Glorious? Honourable? For God and country? To Russia with love?

Dry your crocodile tears comrade