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1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

 

One may ask why has Putin chosen this moment to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

 

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

all according to your western propaganda, where as in reality.....

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1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

 

One may ask why has Putin chosen this moment to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

 

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

Putin's Russia GDP did not grow between 2012 and 2022. No growth during 10 years!

 

Not to mention a population decrease of nearly 1 million in 2020/2021.

 

Putin had to find something to hide his miserable economic failure. A war was a convenient way to hide hisbfailure and to muzzle the opposition.

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5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

what are you sources for all that?

Here.

It can also be added that Russia's GDP i around the size of Italy's GDP (when energy prices are high) or Spain (when energy prices are low).

Screenshot_20240702-115810.png

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3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

what are you sources for all that?

Russia was in major economic trouble prior to the 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

 

If you don't understand that, this entire topic becomes a mystery to you.

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3 hours ago, MicroB said:

Ukrainian gunner takes out Russian Shahed drone using a gimpy. One kiddies' cancer ward saved.  Technically an air-to-air kill by a helicopter.

 

 

 

 Iranian manufactured and Iranian supplied.   Iran and Russia worked together to  prop up the despot Assad of Syria, 14 million refugees, and 500,000 dead thanks to their efforts. 

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2 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

The reasons why is myriad.   My belief is he invaded because he needs more slavic Russians to shore up his powerbase, and ensure its slavic Russians who run Russia, not all these other groups he is forced to horse trade with. His destruction of Checehnya showed his attitude to non-slavic Russians; they are untermenschen.

 

I don't think he fears NATO expansion with respect to Russian sovereignty. He knows NATO would not attack, but he's afraid NATO will cause him to lose influence among people he regards as kinfolk; the slavs in Belarus, Ukraine, and in central Asia, such as Kazakhstan, So NATO expansionism, real or imagined, is just an excuse.

 

But the timing is complete dictator miscalculation. Why in February 2022 did he attack Ukraine at that moment, because he thought he could get away with it. He assumed the West was weak, that the response would be weak, that it would be much like when he sent his forces into Georgia.

 

I think he intended originally during April 2021, when the weather was good, allowing a

blitzkried attack to decapitate Kiev, and win the war quickly. I think Russia staged a drone attack in the Donbass, creating a casus belli;

 

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/a-4-year-old-child-died-in-donbas-after-ukrainian-army-drone-attack/

 

After that, there were a series of provocations from the Russian side, without a reaction from Ukraine. On 10 April, Ukraine called a OSCE meeting to complain about Russian troop buildups. A few days later, there was a relatively minor confrontation between some Ukrainian navy ships escorting civilian ships, no casualties. The next  day, Russia closed part of the Black Sea to shipping, on the pretext of upcoming exercises, but effectively, this was a naval blockade of Ukraine. Surprisingly, Shoigu a  week later, then started pulling some troops from the border. I don't think this was something to defuse tensions, but because the moment had passed, and the troops needed to be rotated; they had been 2 months in the field, and that part of Russia is bug infected, impacting troop morale. Later on, one of the reasons why the Russian invasion failed, was because troops had been too long in the field and were not 100% operational, with numerous vehicle breakdowns.

 

He thought it would be a swift war; troops had packed ceremonial uniforms for the victory parades, some Russian officers even made restaurant reservations in Kiev.

 

Galtieri miscalculated as well in 1982, in his timing attacking the Falklands. He thought the British would not respond.

 

He and Putin do not understand democracies. Compounding that, Putin has been in considerable isolation over the last few years; he is genuinely fearful of COVID-19.

 

 

Yours is a good analysis and there is no denying that Russia's greatest threat comes from  its "stanistan" republics on its borders filled with people who despise Russians and their version of Christianity.  However, Ukraine is not innocent either. It undertook many actions and measures that were discriminatory against ethnic Russians. It engaged in actions that would be considered unacceptable in the western world. Ukraine was also a center of organized cyber crime that targeted western countries through hacking and extortion. This in no way justifies a Russian invasion and land grab. What Russia has done is wrong and its long standing support of violent militias, including their mass murder of innocents above the Malaysian passenger aircraft was wrong too.

 

Had Russia attempted to correct the Ukrainian injustices through civil and peaceful means it could have  obtained western support to right those wrongs. Instead it chose to engage in even worse acts and now it welcomes home its youth as  war dead and as  mangled and broken people.

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16 hours ago, ballpoint said:

"Ukraine recap: Putin celebrates Victory Day with nuclear threats to UK and France"

Putin celebrates with nuclear threats to UK and France (ukdefencejournal.org.uk)

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I read the linked article, and yes it has a big headline saying Putin threatens to use nukes on UK and France, but nothing I can see to back it up in the text. Perhaps you can point out the relevant paragraph(s).

 

BTW I guess you missed this, when attempting to prove me wrong. The relevant word is bolded by me.

 

This article is the opinion of the author (Jonathan Este, The Conversation) and not necessarily that of the UK Defence Journal.

 

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33 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 Iranian manufactured and Iranian supplied.   Iran and Russia worked together to  prop up the despot Assad of Syria, 14 million refugees, and 500,000 dead thanks to their efforts. 

 

They are made in Russia now. Technically, its called Geran-2. The Iranian version used COTS componants, and navigated using US GPS. Russia has replaced the guts within using Russian hardened parts and the Russian GLONASS navigation system, which improves loitering. They are built in Tatarstan. I suspect the Iranian versions were ok for a while, but ultimately a bit cack. Iran is good at making Gucci looking kit, but when you peel it back, its a bit poundshop.

 

eg

 

 

 

Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Army_Day,_2022,

 

 

Hmm, looks modern. Sort of looks like an Abrams. Its a heavily modified US M60 from the 1960s.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

:coffee1:

 

I read the linked article, and yes it has a big headline saying Putin threatens to use nukes on UK and France, but nothing I can see to back it up in the text. Perhaps you can point out the relevant paragraph(s).

 

BTW I guess you missed this, when attempting to prove me wrong. The relevant word is bolded by me.

 

This article is the opinion of the author (Jonathan Este, The Conversation) and not necessarily that of the UK Defence Journal.

 

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Putin doesn't make such threats.

But you don't have to go down far in the Russian chain of command to find someone who does. In fact, just one step.

Dimitri Medvedev, #2 in power after Putin, does it quite often. He would take over should Putin slip on the Kremlin's stairs.

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And of course, there is the utter failure of their leader. This is a clear case of psychological projection: Putin dreamt and failed to create a dollar-free world and establish Russia as an “energy superpower.” He allowed corruption to metastasize through the state’s fabric, undermining its security capabilities. With its mass emigration, skyrocketing divorce rate, and low fertility, Russia, more than the West, demonstrates an immense collapse of family and social values, and near total moral bankruptcy. 

 

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39 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

He seems to enjoy killing women and children. And we know from his days at the KGB, that he is a serial killer. 

hahahahahaha, you know how.... a western media channel told you? a us politician? so who are these woman and children?

don't you find it a coincidence that these so called 'dictators' are always killing women & children and bombing schools and hospitals... have you ever heard of manufacturing consent ?
have you ever watched RT, or some independent channels to hear the other side of things? 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

hahahahahaha, you know how.... a western media channel told you? a us politician? so who are these woman and children?

don't you find it a coincidence that these so called 'dictators' are always killing women & children and bombing schools and hospitals... have you ever heard of manufacturing consent ?
have you ever watched RT, or some independent channels to hear the other side of things? 

 

 

So you're saying he is not intentionally bombing hospitals, schools, apartments etc because RT told you so?

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8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So you're saying he is not intentionally bombing hospitals, schools, apartments etc because RT told you so?

i haven't watched RT for a while, but in general i question the fact that the US and western media always tells us the these 'evil dictators'  are always bombing hospitals, schools killing women and children. 

 

 

 

 

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The terrorists were at it again...............

 

A British Journalist working for Reuters killed in a hotel strike. Other members of the team also hurt and in hospital.

 

British man killed in missile strike in Ukraine

“This is the daily Russian terror that continues,” he said.
Earlier, Reuters released footage showing parts of the hotel completely destroyed by the strike, with firefighters attempting to pick through the rubble.
The Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office wrote in a statement that the hotel had likely been hit with a short-range Iskander-M missile.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2l1py9g4r8o

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