Motorcycle Accident in Pattaya Claims Life of a British Man

[Skipalongcassidy]

At 11:06 PM... about the time of night for brit to be plenty pissed and belligerent

[Udom]

10 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If you are going to be foolish on a bike as you say 'never get on a motorbike'.

 

Ride sensibly and safely you'll be OK. 

 

 

NOT TRUE!!!

In Thailand driving safely it is ABSOLUTELY NOT enough to be ok!!!

You purposely forget about the OTHERS (Thai) lack of driving skills and, above all, the carelessness and stupidity in their driving (and thinking) way of life…

[rwill]

The video I saw on the irish sun site it looked like they were going in opposite directions.

 

Brit, 57, killed in horror moped crash in Thailand after smashing into post while 'arguing with another driver' | The Irish Sun (thesun.ie)

[morrobay]

30 minutes ago, Udom said:

NOT TRUE!!!

In Thailand driving safely it is ABSOLUTELY NOT enough to be ok!!!

You purposely forget about the OTHERS (Thai) lack of driving skills and, above all, the carelessness and stupidity in their driving (and thinking) way of life…

Yes , amazing how some can be so oblivious to this fact. Some kind of denial maybe. 

[wombat]

10 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If you are going to be foolish on a bike as you say 'never get on a motorbike'.

 

Ride sensibly and safely you'll be OK. 

 

 

Drive to arrive alive is my motto.

[IAMHERE]

1 hour ago, DjSilver said:

In Thailand around 20000 people die every year in traffic. And in Sweden a little bit higher than 200 people. That is 100 times higher and Thailand is not 100 times larger than Sweden, only 6.8 times larger.

To be fair there are many more bikes in Thailand driven many more miles and days during the year.

[roo860]

20 minutes ago, rwill said:

The video I saw on the irish sun site it looked like they were going in opposite directions.

 

Brit, 57, killed in horror moped crash in Thailand after smashing into post while 'arguing with another driver' | The Irish Sun (thesun.ie)

Absolutely, thanks for that, that's what the video shows, travelling in opposite directions. 

[SportRider]

11 hours ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Yet another reason to never get on a motorbike in Thailand. I could fill a book with the number of apprehensions to getting on a bike.

A highly valid sentiment. 

[SiSePuede419]

One correction...

 

Mr. John lost control not when he hit the pole with his motorcycle but when when he first moved to Pattaya. 😄

[soalbundy]

15 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

It´s amazing that people can´t just stop and have an argument. They need to drive at the same time.

It's also amazing that people on holiday (I assume) should bother arguing at all, this could be a case of road rage manslaughter.

[soalbundy]

20 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

To be fair there are many more bikes in Thailand driven many more miles and days during the year.

And due to the weather in Sweden you would only drive in summer.

[rwill]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

It's also amazing that people on holiday (I assume) should bother arguing at all, this could be a case of road rage manslaughter.

He was a retiree.  The arguing story is completely fictitious.  How could they be arguing with each other when they were approaching from opposite directions.  And an eyewitness statement from a person that didn't look up until he saw the motorbike sliding down the road.

[Maitdjai]

1 hour ago, BananaGuy said:

Scraping around to find a bit of sympathy here. The factual components of the story seem to be :-

 

(1) Not a ‘motorcycle’ but a ‘scooter’, small-wheeled and even more unstable than an actual motorbike.

 

(2) Downpour  

 

(3) Night

 

(4) Chaotic traffic area

 

(5) … and a reasonable assumption … middle-aged Brit on holiday not likely to have any of the riding skills developed by most native Thai or long-term farang residents.

 

(6) Brit on Pattaya holiday? Another reasonable assumption, his blood/alcohol > zero.

 

Add them up and join me in not being surprised.

 

Why bother even posting this?

 

Vain hope that some incoming naive holiday-maker may read this and think 2, 3 or 10 times before electing to drive a scooter in Thailand.

 

If you absolutely MUST experience the delights of scootering here, then load up on your insurance and make sure it’s watertight and you’re fully licensed in your home country and your next-of kin have  sufficient funds to visit and repatriate your remains.
 

Then … try it out for an hour or two  in small village or island, daytime, no rain and sober and maybe go the whole hog with a bit of protection - helmet, long pants, gloves and closed shoes.

 

If the inevitable near-miss that you WILL have in those idyllic conditions doesn’t scare you silly enough then god (who does not exist) help you because you have a death wish.

Your "smart" advise could also be valid for sitting on a Bar-Stool, or Toilette, at different venues, in different, more or less, sinister locations.

Long and winding, prejudicing "Banana" assumptions, without any confirmation. So, stay at home, and put your helmet on!

[RichardColeman]

I'll look out for two Go-Fund-Me-Get-Body-Home pages in the nest few days then

[soalbundy]

5 minutes ago, rwill said:

He was a retiree.  The arguing story is completely fictitious.  How could they be arguing with each other when they were approaching from opposite directions.  And an eyewitness statement from a person that didn't look up until he saw the motorbike sliding down the road.

In that case they probably gave each other nasty looks

[thailand49]

Poor reporting,  at this Soi there been construction for a month if not more. At Soi 24 it is close with basically a big hole prior they put in a metal grit drainage across the road but the grit started to break dur to weight of vehicle they lay a metal plate over which was always slippery. Last Oct, a friend coming down at 25 km/h in front another bike lost control at the plate anf crash causing others to do the same.

I dont believe there is CCTV located but there is a 7/11 at 24 corner maybe they do.

[AustinRacing]

My take it is the tourist applied UK road rules and etiquette while the local was doing what they do. If so, the tourist should’ve yielded to local ways of doing things rather than trying to enforce foreign rules. RIP fellow but a reminder to tourists you can’t do that. 

[cardinalblue]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

1. Mistake: arguing with Thais

2. Mistake: arguing with Thai drivers 

3. Mistake: driving a motorbike 

RIP

I think he lost the argument….many lessons to be learned from this one 

[cardinalblue]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

1. Mistake: arguing with Thais

2. Mistake: arguing with Thai drivers 

3. Mistake: driving a motorbike 

RIP

I think he lost the argument….many lessons to be learned from this one 

[thesetat]

16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

This has to be the oddest report ever...

 

The deceased what having a disagreement with another rider (on a samlor) while it was raining, and 'after the samlor' passed him, he lost control and collided with an electricity pole ??

 

- Would this mean that they were both riding at speed (relatively at speed) and at the same time they were arguing, and the samlor rider cut him off forcing him off the road ?

 

RIP to the Brit... 

 

The usual criticism to the author of the article who as usual has generated more questions than answers.

 

 

perhaps the other driver kicked at him causing the accident... no-one can say for sure unless video footage can confirm it. 

[Xonax]

1 hour ago, rwill said:

The video I saw on the irish sun site it looked like they were going in opposite directions.

 

Brit, 57, killed in horror moped crash in Thailand after smashing into post while 'arguing with another driver' | The Irish Sun (thesun.ie)

The video does not match the article, since they were driving in different directions. The video does not show the accident itself, but it is not hard to imagine, that the vendor probably made a right turn in front of the brit who was driving at high speed in opposite direction.

[Grumpy one]

17 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

It´s amazing that people can´t just stop and have an argument. They need to drive at the same time.

Multi- tasking  

[LS24]

This is all a terrible situation. tragedies like this are never good.

 

But let's break this down. There seems to be a lot of opinions on this incident but very little of it seems based on facts as available in this thread.

 

From the video in the Irish Sun:

1. Bike riding from right to left on screen is in screen for approximately 4 seconds.

2. there is then approximately a 3 second section with no moving vehicles on screen.

3. a sliding bike then appears throwing sparks and continues to slide until it apparently hits a pole.

4. It is wet conditions.

 

- Now, what sort of speed is needed to slide a bike from off screen all that distance to not only reach the pole but to impact it the way it did to cause what looks to be like a bent frame?

- Anyone who has ever been in a position to slide a bike down the road with awareness will be in a position to know the speed that the scooter must have been traveling at.

- Looks to be a residential area.

- Seems that the Thai local had a headlight on but it may have been reflection.

- It seems the Thai rider when pulled up was on the correct side of the road.

 

I understand logic is not a common trait at this forum and people's biases override general logic mostly, but the above cannot be easily disputed.

 

 

[oobar]

3 hours ago, DjSilver said:

n Thailand around 20000 people die every year in traffic. And in Sweden a little bit higher than 200 people. That is 100 times higher and Thailand is not 100 times larger than Sweden, only 6.8 times larger.

 

That would mean, there is something else in the minds of Thais, than on the minds of Swedes.

What it mostly means is that there are a lot fewer motorcycles in cold Sweden than in tropical Thailand.

[chrissables]

13 hours ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Yet another reason to never get on a motorbike in Thailand. I could fill a book with the number of apprehensions to getting on a bike.

A motorbike is the best way by far to see Thailand. Avoid riding at night though.

[renaissanc]

There are stories daily here and on the television news of people who get angry, who can't control their emotions, and who end up injured or in jail as a result. There is one simple solution to this ... rescue cats. Your life will be filled with unconditional love and you will calm down tremendously. You will avoid situations such as you read about in the news. My wife and I look after 24 rescued cats. They are so loving!

[cnx101]

3 hours ago, kwaussie said:

Always ride your bike as if everyone is out to get you.

First sensible comment on here

[Dcheech]

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The eyewitness recounted that after the vendor on the saleng bypassed Mr. John's motorbike, Mr. John abruptly lost control and collided with an electricity pole.

 

Murder in the First. 

[roo860]

2 hours ago, thailand49 said:

Poor reporting,  at this Soi there been construction for a month if not more. At Soi 24 it is close with basically a big hole prior they put in a metal grit drainage across the road but the grit started to break dur to weight of vehicle they lay a metal plate over which was always slippery. Last Oct, a friend coming down at 25 km/h in front another bike lost control at the plate anf crash causing others to do the same.

I dont believe there is CCTV located but there is a 7/11 at 24 corner maybe they do.

Same in Chiang Mai around the moat area, laying under ground cables, the holes they dug covered with raised metal plates, bad enough when dry, when raining, lethal. 

[shackleton]

Yes when a friend has made a comment on here involving the motor bike incident  we won't get to many  people speculating on what happened 🤔 

RIP to the guy