Engaging with Russians during wartime in Thailand?

[Jingthing]

In Pattaya anyway, there are Russians everywhere.

Sometimes I find myself in close quarters with Russians that I am curious about.

I'm generally not curious about those that give the appearance of typical going along with the war Z types usually older, big families who are obviously just on holiday from Siberia, etc.

The ones that pique my interest are more military age men sometimes with friends or partners. sometimes looking possibly countercultural. 

I assume most speak some English. 

But how to break the ice?

How's the war treating you somehow seems too abrubt.

Any ideas or experiences with this?

 

Well here's one guy who's approachable!

 

 

[Jan Dietz]

 

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

In Pattaya anyway, there are Russians everywhere.

Sometimes I find myself in close quarters with Russians that I am curious about.

I'm generally not curious about those that give the appearance of typical going along with the war Z types usually older, big families who are obviously just on holiday from Siberia, etc.

The ones that pique my interest are more military age men sometimes with friends or partners. sometimes looking possibly countercultural. 

I assume most speak some English. 

But how to break the ice?

How's the war treating you somehow seems too abrubt.

Any ideas or experiences with this?

 

Well here's one guy who's approachable!

 

 

 

i think you will find many of them are just regular folk like you and i....trying to make sense of this life the best we can. 

 

say hi..... ask them if they know of any good snow boots you can find in thailand. 

[susanlea]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

In Pattaya anyway, there are Russians everywhere.

Sometimes I find myself in close quarters with Russians that I am curious about.

I'm generally not curious about those that give the appearance of typical going along with the war Z types usually older, big families who are obviously just on holiday from Siberia, etc.

The ones that pique my interest are more military age men sometimes with friends or partners. sometimes looking possibly countercultural. 

I assume most speak some English. 

But how to break the ice?

How's the war treating you somehow seems too abrubt.

Any ideas or experiences with this?

 

Well here's one guy who's approachable!

 

 

Very few in Hua Hin. Russians seem to stay in the worst areas. 

[bunnydrops]

So far I have spoken to only one. Young guy. I was sitting at that corner place down from Buddy's on Khao San having a beer while waiting for my flight out. Nice guy, tattooed, Mohawk. I, being an older American, I don't think either of us wanted to bring up the subject of the war.

[bkk6060]

3 hours ago, susanlea said:

Very few in Hua Hin. Russians seem to stay in the worst areas. 

Not my observation at all.  They basically have taken over Las Casitas Condo, and several condos down the road are full of Russians.  Mostly families on longer stays.  The food courts and night markets they are all over the place.  Maybe you think they look other European?

 

Also, why does OP want to interact with them?  They really don't like westerners much especially now and never really have.   

Edited June 19 by bkk6060

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Not my observation at all.  They basically have taken over Las Casitas Condo, and several condos down the road are full of Russians.  Mostly families on longer stays.  The food courts and night markets they are all over the place.  Maybe you think they look other European?

 

Also, why does OP want to interact with them?  They really don't like westerners much especially now and never really have.   

That is BS.

Many of the younger ones want to move to the west.

Millions have left Russia.

Compare to about 5000 western fascists who have moved to Russia. 

Edited June 19 by Jingthing

[scubascuba3]

The ones i know are good guys, normal guys who want to live and not die in a war, same one Ukraine i met. It's Putin and co forcing them to fight for nothing

[newbee2022]

7 hours ago, Jan Dietz said:

 

It's Putin's war. Not every Russian is a Putin's supporter. And most of the Russians who left Russia are not war participants.🙏

[ChipButty]

I have met loads over the years, they come across as being to serious I find thats the older ones from back in the USSR, There is a couple of younger ones live near me when I see them they are always friendly to me, and the women come across as being cold I just tell them You smile they smile, I did learn a few words of Russian, most of the younger ones do speak English, 

I think you would be miserable if you had to live in minus 30 degrees, 

[fredwiggy]

36 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I have met loads over the years, they come across as being to serious I find thats the older ones from back in the USSR, There is a couple of younger ones live near me when I see them they are always friendly to me, and the women come across as being cold I just tell them You smile they smile, I did learn a few words of Russian, most of the younger ones do speak English, 

I think you would be miserable if you had to live in minus 30 degrees, 

That's only in the winter months, as it is in all northern climes. Canada, in Alberta where I went hunting, was -39F one day, and in June another time when fishing there it was just after ice out. Russia gets many days in the 60's and up to the 80's. It was miserable to me in the winter in New Jersey when it was only around freezing for a couple months, but people are used to it living there. Many people do move south, as I did to Texas, because I liked the outdoors and in the winter in New Jersey, there wasn't much to do besides ski and ice fish. I did enjoy the 4 seasons, which Thailand doesn't have, and is yet another reason I'll move back home.

Edited June 19 by fredwiggy

[bob smith]

send the buggars back!

 

bob.

[bob smith]

51 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Very few in Hua Hin.

You are kiddin, right?

 

bob.

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

The ones i know are good guys, normal guys who want to live and not die in a war, same one Ukraine i met. It's Putin and co forcing them to fight for nothing

 

Agree, that said, I only really know one and he doesn't want to return to go to war as he has family here, so he has skipped.

 

When ever I see him at the bar, I call out, hey, my Ukrainian friend, how are you, and he laughs, easy going guy to get on with, about 40, great sense of humor, and knows a lot about history and this is basically how he summed it up for me regarding, as you said; it's Putin and co forcing them to fight, but not for nothing.

 

Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of Russians were burned alive).

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.

 

If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened.

 

The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.

 

Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.

 

Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April?

 

Hint: Remember someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time. Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards.

 

Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable.

 

The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO. NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).

 

He said, we should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?

 

Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.

 

Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland he said.

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre.

 

He said the whole world needs to know about it he said, but they are fed what they want to feed them.

 

Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list.

 

There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The Azov troops trapped in the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.

 

Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but Azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P. The first terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).

 

The 2nd terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.

 

I just passing on what he told me, obviously there was much more, to sum it up, he said, NATO is an evil, it is not what they are projecting it to be to us, it is a useful tool which helps them do whatever they want to do, and of course they pay for it.

 

He added, we get fed a lot of propaganda, that said, he said that he didn't want to fight for his country, because governments use people to protect their rights for freedom, which to him was a load of crap, it's big business to protect their interests, and NATO pushing forward made a huge mistake, why because Putin, will use Nuks in the end, if pushed.

 

 

[blazes]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

sometimes looking possibly countercultural. 

 

What on earth do you mean by this weird phrase?

 

What do I have to do while walking around Pattaya to avoid looking "counter-cultural"?

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Agree, that said, I only really know one and he doesn't want to return to go to war as he has family here, so he has skipped.

 

When ever I see him at the bar, I call out, hey, my Ukrainian friend, how are you, and he laughs, easy going guy to get on with, about 40, great sense of humor, and knows a lot about history and this is basically how he summed it up for me regarding, as you said; it's Putin and co forcing them to fight, but not for nothing.

 

Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of Russians were burned alive).

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.

 

If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened.

 

The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.

 

Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.

 

Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April?

 

Hint: Remember someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time. Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards.

 

Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable.

 

The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO. NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).

 

He said, we should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?

 

Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.

 

Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland he said.

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre.

 

He said the whole world needs to know about it he said, but they are fed what they want to feed them.

 

Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list.

 

There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The Azov troops trapped in the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.

 

Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but Azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P. The first terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).

 

The 2nd terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.

 

I just passing on what he told me, obviously there was much more, to sum it up, he said, NATO is an evil, it is not what they are projecting it to be to us, it is a useful tool which helps them do whatever they want to do, and of course they pay for it.

 

He added, we get fed a lot of propaganda, that said, he said that he didn't want to fight for his country, because governments use people to protect their rights for freedom, which to him was a load of crap, it's big business to protect their interests, and NATO pushing forward made a huge mistake, why because Putin, will use Nuks in the end, if pushed.

 

 

Kerch bridge "terrorist" attack?

What a load of Kremlin propaganda.

Just repeating it, huh?

Yeah, you got that right buddy.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

What on earth do you mean by this weird phrase?

 

What do I have to do while walking around Pattaya to avoid looking "counter-cultural"?

If you know anything about Russia, from St. Petersburg sometimes Moscow, like Russian hipsters rather than Z fascist zombies.

 

Anyway, I think the majority of Russian "draft dodgers" aren't necessarily politically motivated and aren't really dissidents per se, but don't want to kill Ukrainians and don't want to die for Putin even more so. I respect that just as I would respect German "draft dodgers" abroad during WW2.

Edited June 20 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

44 minutes ago, bob smith said:

send the buggars back!

 

bob.

A lot of people feel that way. Other than baseline Russian clannishness while abroad, they realize that too and may be understandably shy of such hostile people here.

Edited June 20 by Jingthing

[bob smith]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

A lot of people feel that way.

and rightly so!

 

bob.

[Jingthing]

Just now, bob smith said:

and rightly so!

 

bob.

Is your hostility towards them based on feeling protective of Thai immigration or because you support genocidal fascist dictator Putin's war of choice on Ukraine?

[bob smith]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Is your hostility towards them based on feeling protective of Thai immigration or because you support genocidal fascist dictator Putin's war of choice on Ukraine?

My hostility towards them on a personal level is based on how they behave in Thailand.

 

They are loud, brash, have no regard for others and their kids act like complete brats who destroy everything.

I also hate the fact that they come here and don't make a single effort to integrate.

I mean nothing. No attempt at learning the language, no attempt at befriending any locals, nada..

 

They are also very wasteful people, same as the Chinese.

 

And of course, on a geopolitical level, I hate the fact that they have invaded a sovereign nation and are murdering innocent Ukrainians on a daily basis, and now their prestigious leader is in North Korea with his best buddy Kim..

 

So yeah, I don't have anything positive to say really about the vodka swilling ruskies!

Just go back your country better.

 

bob.

Edited June 20 by bob smith

[Jingthing]

Just now, bob smith said:

My hostility towards them on a personal level is based on how they behave in Thailand.

 

They are loud, brash, have no regard for others and their kids act like complete brats who destroy everything.

 

They are also very wasteful people, same as the Chinese.

 

And of course, on a geopolitical level, I hate the fact that they have invaded a sovereign nation and now their prestigious leader is on North Korea with his best buddy Kim..

 

So yeah, I don't have anything positive to say really about the vodka swilling ruskies!

 

bob.

I thought you were specifically hostile to the Russian draft dodgers. I misunderstood you before. 

Well good luck with that because Thailand loves them (Russians in general) and especially their money.

[bob smith]

Just now, Jingthing said:

I thought you were specifically hostile to the Russian draft dodgers. I misunderstood you before. 

Well good luck with that because Thailand loves them (Russians in general) and especially their money.

The fact that they are draft dodgers is just one more angle and only adds to my dislike of them.

 

And the average Thai person on the street does not like the russians one iota.

 

perhaps the government is friendly, for the time being at least, but the normal Thais I speak to can't stand them.

Most agree with my previously outlined sentiments.

 

bob.

[bradiston]

45 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Agree, that said, I only really know one and he doesn't want to return to go to war as he has family here, so he has skipped.

 

When ever I see him at the bar, I call out, hey, my Ukrainian friend, how are you, and he laughs, easy going guy to get on with, about 40, great sense of humor, and knows a lot about history and this is basically how he summed it up for me regarding, as you said; it's Putin and co forcing them to fight, but not for nothing.

 

Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of Russians were burned alive).

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.

 

If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened.

 

The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.

 

Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.

 

Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April?

 

Hint: Remember someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time. Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards.

 

Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable.

 

The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO. NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).

 

He said, we should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?

 

Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.

 

Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland he said.

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre.

 

He said the whole world needs to know about it he said, but they are fed what they want to feed them.

 

Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list.

 

There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The Azov troops trapped in the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.

 

Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but Azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P. The first terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).

 

The 2nd terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.

 

I just passing on what he told me, obviously there was much more, to sum it up, he said, NATO is an evil, it is not what they are projecting it to be to us, it is a useful tool which helps them do whatever they want to do, and of course they pay for it.

 

He added, we get fed a lot of propaganda, that said, he said that he didn't want to fight for his country, because governments use people to protect their rights for freedom, which to him was a load of crap, it's big business to protect their interests, and NATO pushing forward made a huge mistake, why because Putin, will use Nuks in the end, if pushed.

 

 

Sorry but I don't believe this came from a Ukrainian. I suggest you've just written your take on the war and made out it does.

[jippytum]

i don't like they dominate the condo population and break the condo rules. Personally i find them surly and have no wish to befriend them. 

[bob smith]

1 minute ago, jippytum said:

i don't like they dominate the condo population and break the condo rules. Personally i find them surly and have no wish to befriend them. 

I couldn't agree more!

 

they are like a swarm of drunken locusts.

 

bob.

Edited June 20 by bob smith

[champers]

It can be tempting to engage but I try to avoid initiating a conversation with strangers, whatever their nationality.

[JayClay]

17 minutes ago, bob smith said:

They are loud, brash, have no regard for others and their kids act like complete brats who destroy everything.

 

Too similar for comfort?

[Jingthing]

It's fair to hate those kinds of behaviors but it's unfair to put all Russian people in the same boat.

[bob smith]

5 minutes ago, JayClay said:

 

Too similar for comfort?

I think you must be confusing me for someone else.

 

bob.