Engaging with Russians during wartime in Thailand?

[susanlea]

Just now, bob smith said:

...You've just made hundreds in Hua Hin!

 

bob.

Hua Hin attracts Europeans but mostly Thais. Guys who sit in condos making up stories need to get out more. The cleaner was right about lots of people just like you.

[bob smith]

Just now, susanlea said:

 The cleaner was right about lots of people just like you.

...dread to think what she thought of you coming in at all hours with that wig and lippy on!

 

bob.

[susanlea]

Just now, bob smith said:

...dread to think what she thought of you coming in at all hours with that wig and lippy on!

 

bob.

Nobody cares what guys sitting in condos alone think. All fake stories. 

[Shetraveler]

3 hours ago, bob smith said:

send the buggars back!

 

bob.

Why don't you start by returning to your home country?  Lots of gits from there, too.

 

[connda]

They are just regular people like you and me Jingthing.

Walk up, introduce yourself, tell them you would like to really know more about Russia culture, invite them to lunch, sit-down with them and talk. And remember you a talking with one person or family out of a population of 147 million people.  Just like in the US, your gonna come across widely diverse opinions, but you may be able to catch common themes.

I think you have a wonderful idea.  We are not our leaders.  So perhaps where are leaders fail at diplomacy we ourselves can promote grassroots diplomacy by talking to the people we are told are our "enemies."  You'll come away better informed and many of your biases will be shattered.  That's one of the reasons I've traveled the world when I was younger - to challenge my own biases about other cultures.

 

 

Edited June 20 by connda

[bob smith]

3 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Nobody cares what guys sitting in condos alone think. All fake stories. 

where are you sat?

 

rooftop bar surrounded by glamor models at 10:20 in the morning?, posting on AN..

 

what times Andrew Tate coming?

 

bob.

Edited June 20 by bob smith

[bob smith]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

Walk up, introduce yourself, tell them you would like to really know more about Russia culture

...I couldn't give a to$$ about Russian Culture, if even there is such a thing.

 

bob.

[susanlea]

4 minutes ago, bob smith said:

where are you sat?

 

rooftop bar surrounded by glamor models at 10:20 in the morning?, posting on AN..

 

what times Andrew Tate coming?

 

bob.

More fake online stories. Need 100 bulldozers to remove the bs.

[NedR69]

3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

.... we get fed a lot of propaganda,

Yea, just like your one-sided opinion that seems to support the war and love of Russians.

[connda]

8 minutes ago, bob smith said:

...I couldn't give a to$$ about Russian Culture, if even there is such a thing.

 

bob.

Your attitude is part of the problem bob, not part of the solution.   But what should we expect from supposedly wealthy, bitter alcoholics? 

Edited June 20 by connda

[bob smith]

1 minute ago, connda said:

Your attitude is part of the problem bob, not part of the solution. 

why don't you move to Russia if you love it so much?

 

don't forget your coat though!

 

bob.

[susanlea]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

Your attitude is part of the problem bob, not part of the solution.   But what should we expect from supposedly wealthy, bitter alcoholics? 

Easy to avoid both alcoholics and Russians. I don't encounter much of any. Many kms of empty beaches, restaurants, gyms and hardly any people to bother you. 

[NativeBob]

don't see them much at Ratchada - Lard Prao area. It seemes that nothing changed at all.

brits and americans - a lot, russians - not at all. 

oh, there were Russian dude shopping at Chatuchak. accent and nothing special. 

I wonder what this buzz is all about?

[NanLaew]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

In Pattaya anyway, there are Russians everywhere.

Sometimes I find myself in close quarters with Russians that I am curious about.

I'm generally not curious about those that give the appearance of typical going along with the war Z types usually older, big families who are obviously just on holiday from Siberia, etc.

The ones that pique my interest are more military age men sometimes with friends or partners. sometimes looking possibly countercultural. 

I assume most speak some English. 

But how to break the ice?

How's the war treating you somehow seems too abrubt.

Any ideas or experiences with this?

 

It's probably nanya?

 

As in, "It's nanya business what they think or what they're up to."

 

What are you looking for? Validation of your opinions? Lets say after the ice is broken, and they do share their opinions and feelings, what do you propose to do next? Fly to Moscow to 'break the ice' with a captive audience?

 

I reckon @Jan Dietz has summed it up perfectly.

[GammaGlobulin]

12 hours ago, stoner said:

trying to make sense of this life the best we can

 

Fyodor Dostoevsky, a Russian, made more sense of most things than you can ever hope to do.

 

Difficult to find a greater writer.

 

 

 

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Fyodor Dostoevsky, a Russian, made more sense of most things than you can ever hope to do.

 

Difficult to find a greater writer.

 

 

 

 

if only that were true.

[GammaGlobulin]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

if only that were true.

 

I think you meant:

 

If and only if....("⟺")....

 

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Tidal wave said:

If I see one crossing the road in a "Z" shirt I may have to engage top gear, they are all complicit every single one of them .  

What would engaging top gear do?

[charleskerins]

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Agree, that said, I only really know one and he doesn't want to return to go to war as he has family here, so he has skipped.

 

When ever I see him at the bar, I call out, hey, my Ukrainian friend, how are you, and he laughs, easy going guy to get on with, about 40, great sense of humor, and knows a lot about history and this is basically how he summed it up for me regarding, as you said; it's Putin and co forcing them to fight, but not for nothing.

 

Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of Russians were burned alive).

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.

 

If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened.

 

The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.

 

Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.

 

Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April?

 

Hint: Remember someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time. Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards.

 

Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable.

 

The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO. NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).

 

He said, we should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?

 

Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.

 

Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland he said.

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre.

 

He said the whole world needs to know about it he said, but they are fed what they want to feed them.

 

Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list.

 

There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The Azov troops trapped in the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.

 

Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but Azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P. The first terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).

 

The 2nd terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.

 

I just passing on what he told me, obviously there was much more, to sum it up, he said, NATO is an evil, it is not what they are projecting it to be to us, it is a useful tool which helps them do whatever they want to do, and of course they pay for it.

 

He added, we get fed a lot of propaganda, that said, he said that he didn't want to fight for his country, because governments use people to protect their rights for freedom, which to him was a load of crap, it's big business to protect their interests, and NATO pushing forward made a huge mistake, why because Putin, will use Nuks in the end, if pushed.

 

 

Putin propagandist

[Doctor Tom]

1 hour ago, Captor said:

I wonder how many russians there are in aseannow?

Too many

[susanlea]

9 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

Too many

Why would a Russian join an English language forum to listen to a bunch of whingers? 

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

 

 

He's smart enough to stay out of the meat grinder, not smart enough to realise he has been fed news with a Russian slant his whole life.

 

 

as opposed to you and all the western members here that have spent their whole life being fed western slanted news and media

[Doctor Tom]

1 minute ago, susanlea said:

Why would a Russian join an English language forum to listen to a bunch of whingers? 

We  are not wingers, we just don't like a Nation and its citizens who are carrying out an illegal war and those here who, for whatever reason, are evading their responsibilities, either to follow their criminal government, or fight against it on the other side.  So not winging. .  

[susanlea]

Just now, Doctor Tom said:

We  are not wingers, we just don't like a Nation and its citizens who are carrying out an illegal war and those here who, for whatever reason, are evading their responsibilities, either to follow their criminal government, or fight against it on the other side.  So not winging. .  

Russians are not all responsible for the war and other nations start wars. You might be from a nation that started wars. Most likely you are as many nations have. I don't like Russians but the amount of Thai bashers makes them seem not that bad.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, bobbin said:

 

 

FYI.. I'm prime marriage material in Thailand 😄

in dont think being able to marry a bar girl is much of a flex!

[susanlea]

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

as opposed to you and all the western members here that have spent their whole life being fed western slanted news and media

Kind of like England fighting Scotland before. Similar people with 1 side a bully.

[frank83628]

27 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

Putin propagandist

how long did it take you to come up with that?

[GammaGlobulin]

9 minutes ago, susanlea said:

I don't like Russians

 

This seems like a blanket statement, if I have ever heard one.

 

Or, at the very least, an opinion based on generalization.

 

Let us not forget the Bell Curve, or the Normal Curve.

 

There are always Russian outliers that you might love....

 

[Doctor Tom]

14 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Russians are not all responsible for the war and other nations start wars. You might be from a nation that started wars. Most likely you are as many nations have. I don't like Russians but the amount of Thai bashers makes them seem not that bad.

You are wrong.  Both legally and morally, individually or collectively, you are the citizen of your country and that collective responsibility cannot be shrugged off, unless you give up that citizenship.  That is a fact. If my country went to war, I would go to war.  Its why I spent 24 years in the UK military.  Fortunately for me, my country is democratic and is not run by a bunch of psychopath criminals.  My country is also not a peasant society, brough up to believe in blind obedience to mafia dictators. 

[susanlea]

3 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

You are wrong.  Both legally and morally, individually or collectively, you are the citizen of your country and that collective responsibility cannot be shrugged off, unless you give up that citizenship.  That is a fact. If my country went to war, I would go to war.  Its why I spent 24 years in the UK military.  Fortunately for me, my country is democratic and is not run by a bunch of psychopath criminals.  My country is also not a peasant society, brough up to believe in blind obedience to mafia dictators. 

Your country helped invade Iraq based on lies so if you are collectively responsible then you are a war criminal.