The New ICE Engines..

JBChiangRai · July 28

9 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

So the sources and pictures in my following post are all fake?

https://aseannow.com/topic/1334010-the-new-ice-engines/?do=findComment&comment=19099588

And don't get me started on your so called intelligence. 30% of nothing is just that, 30% more of nothing.

This is what is important

So the EVAT is shooting in their own foot and spreading fake news, according to your "intelligence"?

The fact is the EV sector is growing and the ICE sector is shrinking.

Whether vehicles are piling up anywhere is irrelevant because the whole car industry is crashing.

However you slice and dice it

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

EV market share grew

30% in March
2% in April
11% in May
10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

Just to take what I think was probably one of your posts. BYD cars piling up at a port in Europe with the headline that some of them for more than a year. The reality was the cars were transient for a couple of weeks only because there was insufficient local transport available and those that had been there a long time (a handful only) had issues awaiting mechanical intervention.

Most of this stuff you read is just untrue.

The increasing market share tells you everything you need to know.

CallumWK · July 28

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

You really should read your own links before posting, that article does not refer to EVs piling up in China, as KhunLA commented, it is about European ports.

Of course they are not pilling up in China, because they export them, but that probably will go over your head

vinny41 · July 28

19 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You ask how to explain that.

Easey Peasey. It's fake news.

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

So EV market share grew

30% in March

2% in April

11% in May

10% in June

Don't insult my intelligence with fake news you find on the internet.

Your having a laugh with your 30% figure for March 2024

DLT report April registrations (March Sales ) for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people were 4007

March figures were 4,720

April 2023 figures were 3,820

March 2023 figures were 6,204

josephbloggs · July 28

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Of course they are not pilling up in China, because they export them, but that probably will go over your head

It's been debunked on here before (by me as well as others). There is a Financial Times article that tells the whole story, that it is mainly due to a shortage of hauliers in Europe and that it is affecting everything, not only Chinese EVs. But those with an agenda jump on the Chinese EV thing. It is a logistical issue rather than "dumping".

However, many of the Chinese groups were building teams in Europe from scratch and grappling with real-world logistical challenges, car executives said. As newcomers to the market, they have struggled to find haulage companies to prioritise their orders. “Lack of trucks” is a “very common problem”, said one person familiar with the situation, who added that many vehicles had been “reserved by Tesla”. “Any new brand will be facing this issue, if you don’t have scale, if you don’t have regular deliveries, then you are not the [trucking groups’] largest clients,” they added.

https://www.ft.com/content/496f3bfa-9f0c-4145-9024-188572a280fd

CallumWK · July 28

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Your having a laugh with your 30% figure for March 2024

DLT report April registrations (March Sales ) for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people were 4007

March figures were 4,720

April 2023 figures were 3,820

March 2023 figures were 6,204

Please don't insult his intelligence 😅

transam · July 28

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The fact is the EV sector is growing and the ICE sector is shrinking.

Whether vehicles are piling up anywhere is irrelevant because the whole car industry is crashing.

However you slice and dice it

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

EV market share grew

30% in March

2% in April

11% in May

10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

Just to take what I think was probably one of your posts. BYD cars piling up at a port in Europe with the headline that some of them for more than a year. The reality was the cars were transient for a couple of weeks only because there was insufficient local transport available and those that had been there a long time (a handful only) had issues awaiting mechanical intervention.

Most of this stuff you read is just untrue.

The increasing market share tells you everything you need to know.

The thread is about the new ICE engines, not about your early EV purchase...🤔

transam · July 28

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

It's been debunked on here before (by me as well as others). There is a Financial Times article that tells the whole story, that it is mainly due to a shortage of hauliers in Europe and that it is affecting everything, not only Chinese EVs. But those with an agenda jump on the Chinese EV thing. It is a logistical issue rather than "dumping".

However, many of the Chinese groups were building teams in Europe from scratch and grappling with real-world logistical challenges, car executives said. As newcomers to the market, they have struggled to find haulage companies to prioritise their orders. “Lack of trucks” is a “very common problem”, said one person familiar with the situation, who added that many vehicles had been “reserved by Tesla”. “Any new brand will be facing this issue, if you don’t have scale, if you don’t have regular deliveries, then you are not the [trucking groups’] largest clients,” they added.

https://www.ft.com/content/496f3bfa-9f0c-4145-9024-188572a280fd

The new ICE engines, you are on the wrong thread.......🙄

JBChiangRai · July 28

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Your having a laugh with your 30% figure for March 2024

DLT report April registrations (March Sales ) for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people were 4007

March figures were 4,720

April 2023 figures were 3,820

March 2023 figures were 6,204

The numbers of EV's sold tells you nothing about whether people are switching to EV's, you know this Vinny.

You have to look at whether people choose EV over ICE & vice-versa and look at the percentages. That tells you what is going on.

The total number of vehicles sold each month tells you about the overall market.

Suppose one 100 EV's were sold in July, what does that tell you? It tells you demand has crashed for EV's or demand has crashed for cars. If you now add to this that no ICE cars were sold at all, it completes the picture. Demand for all cars has crashed.

When you present information, it has to be meaningful and not try to lead the reader to a fake conclusion. What you posted is misleading and you know it.

EV market share grew

30% in March
2% in April
11% in May
10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

vinny41 · July 28

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The fact is the EV sector is growing and the ICE sector is shrinking.

Whether vehicles are piling up anywhere is irrelevant because the whole car industry is crashing.

However you slice and dice it

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

EV market share grew

30% in March

2% in April

11% in May

10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

Just to take what I think was probably one of your posts. BYD cars piling up at a port in Europe with the headline that some of them for more than a year. The reality was the cars were transient for a couple of weeks only because there was insufficient local transport available and those that had been there a long time (a handful only) had issues awaiting mechanical intervention.

Most of this stuff you read is just untrue.

The increasing market share tells you everything you need to know.

People switching to EV's in droves what are you smoking

Number of EV registrations for the period Feburary 2024 30th June 2024 for

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people were 23,183

Number of vehicles registered for the same period excluding EV were 180,246

180246 for ICE vs 23,183 for EV's indicate that people are not switching to EV's in droves as you posted

JBChiangRai · July 28

Going back to your original post Transam.

It's not reasonable to believe that VAG (Porsche), Ford, Toyota & GM suddenly, separately but at the same time develop some ground breaking new technology.

What this article is saying is they have all tweaked petrol engines in different ways to get a bit more efficiency. There is nothing groundbreaking.

You need to look deeper at why they are saying this. Could it be they are worried about increasing demand for EV's? Could it be they are frightened? (Toyota definitely are).

There isn't a week the goes past when we hear something, usually about Toyota, "Revolutionary new Hydrogen Engine", "Revolutionary new BioMethane Engine", "Revolutionary new Ammonia Engine".

I think it was 2014 when Toyota said they would have sold-state batteries powering their EV's within 9 years. We are now 10 years later and it appears the new Toyotas will have BYD Blade Batteries and their new Hybrids will have BYD Blade Batterries and BYD turbo charged engines!

All these nonsense press releases and videos are there for one reason only. To try and stop people buying EV's now by promising milk & honey later. That Milk & Honey ain't coming.

JBChiangRai · July 28

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

People switching to EV's in droves what are you smoking

Number of EV registrations for the period Feburary 2024 30th June 2024 for

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people were 23,183

Number of vehicles registered for the same period excluding EV were 180,246

180246 for ICE vs 23,183 for EV's indicate that people are not switching to EV's in droves as you posted

The word "Switching" was used by you and me. Not "Switched".

Switching needs a comparison. I gave the comparison.

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

CallumWK · July 28

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Could it be they are worried about increasing demand for EV's? Could it be they are frightened?

Porsche certainly isn't afraid about increasing EV demand, that exists only in your wet dreams

https://electrek.co/2024/07/22/porsche-scales-back-80-ev-sales-goal-2030/

Porsche scales back 80% EV goal by 2030 amid falling sales, shifting market

connda · July 28

It's a hybrid. Ok. And probably a very expensive hybrid.

I drive a Suzuki with a regular ICE engine which gets 50+ miles per gallon. The car is very affordable and the fuel and maintenance is highly affordable. I don't see how spending 2 or 3 million THB on a car to get "affordable fuel efficiency" makes any sense at all.

vinny41 · July 28

10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The numbers of EV's sold tells you nothing about whether people are switching to EV's, you know this Vinny.

You have to look at whether people choose EV over ICE & vice-versa and look at the percentages. That tells you what is going on.

The total number of vehicles sold each month tells you about the overall market.

Suppose one 100 EV's were sold in July, what does that tell you? It tells you demand has crashed for EV's or demand has crashed for cars. If you now add to this that no ICE cars were sold at all, it completes the picture. Demand for all cars has crashed.

When you present information, it has to be meaningful and not try to lead the reader to a fake conclusion. What you posted is misleading and you know it.

EV market share grew

30% in March

2% in April

11% in May

10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

What you have posted is misleading and incorrect and doesn't support figures release by the DLT

% are meaninless Auto Brands are mainly focused on number of vehicles sold and how did we do compared against our competition

July 1st 2024

EV sales continue to drop driven by tight economic conditions

Data from the Department of Land Transport indicate that the EV market has not been particularly strong since the beginning of the year. January recorded the highest number of registrations for the year at 13,321 units, driven partly by a rush to register before the January 31 deadline to qualify for benefits under the EV promotion plan, EV 3.0, which offers a 2% excise tax and a subsidy of up to 150,000 baht.

This rush led to a sharp decline in registrations the following months.

If the cumulative total for the first five months is extrapolated for the entire year, EV sales are expected to be close to 76,000 units, considerably lower than the overall projection of between 100,000 to 130,000 units.

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/business/automobile/40039276

JBChiangRai · July 28

4 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Porsche certainly isn't afraid about increasing EV demand, that exists only in your wet dreams

https://electrek.co/2024/07/22/porsche-scales-back-80-ev-sales-goal-2030/

Porsche scales back 80% EV goal by 2030 amid falling sales, shifting market

Time will tell for Porsche.

I don't know why their Taycan EV sales fell 51% in Q1 & Q2 this year, I can only tell you why I sold mine.

I sold mine at 2 years because the warranty was only 2 years, it was also unreliable being trailered back to the authorised dealer twice. It was going to need 4 new tyres (200,000 THB), it's first service, and another year's insurance (120,000 THB).

But most of all I sold it because I read they had dramatically ramped up production and the Thai dealer told me the time on the waiting list was expected to drop significantly and that would likely impact second-hand values.

I replaced it with a Chinese EV with similar performance at only 16% of the cost. It's 95% of the fun.

JBChiangRai · July 28

Apologies i messed up your quote @vinny41

What you have posted is misleading and incorrect and doesn't support figures release by the DLT

% are meaninless Auto Brands are mainly focused on number of vehicles sold and how did we do compared against our competition

July 1st 2024

EV sales continue to drop driven by tight economic conditions

Data from the Department of Land Transport indicate that the EV market has not been particularly strong since the beginning of the year. January recorded the highest number of registrations for the year at 13,321 units, driven partly by a rush to register before the January 31 deadline to qualify for benefits under the EV promotion plan, EV 3.0, which offers a 2% excise tax and a subsidy of up to 150,000 baht.

This rush led to a sharp decline in registrations the following months.

If the cumulative total for the first five months is extrapolated for the entire year, EV sales are expected to be close to 76,000 units, considerably lower than the overall projection of between 100,000 to 130,000 units.

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/business/automobile/40039276

And yet

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

EV market share grew

30% in March
2% in April
11% in May
10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

Edited July 28 by JBChiangRai

vinny41 · July 28

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The word "Switching" was used by you and me. Not "Switched".

Switching needs a comparison. I gave the comparison.

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

% are always used when people are embarrassed to state numbers are they are meaninless if the base number is not included

Base number 1 500% increase total number 6

Base nuumber 10 500% increase total number 60

Base number 100 500% increase total number 600

Base number 1000 500 increase total number 6,000

ExpatOilWorker · July 28

2 hours ago, transam said:

Your EV uses electric motors, when were electric motors introduced........😂

Yes, 100 year old tech, all you have that is new, is the battery pack......😉

They've been around a while, too....😂

What is new is all that sensitive electronics sitting on the underbelly of the car. Protected, yes, but still the most exposed part of a vehicle.

vinny41 · July 28

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Apologies i messed up your quote @vinny41

What you have posted is misleading and incorrect and doesn't support figures release by the DLT

% are meaninless Auto Brands are mainly focused on number of vehicles sold and how did we do compared against our competition

July 1st 2024

EV sales continue to drop driven by tight economic conditions

Data from the Department of Land Transport indicate that the EV market has not been particularly strong since the beginning of the year. January recorded the highest number of registrations for the year at 13,321 units, driven partly by a rush to register before the January 31 deadline to qualify for benefits under the EV promotion plan, EV 3.0, which offers a 2% excise tax and a subsidy of up to 150,000 baht.

This rush led to a sharp decline in registrations the following months.

If the cumulative total for the first five months is extrapolated for the entire year, EV sales are expected to be close to 76,000 units, considerably lower than the overall projection of between 100,000 to 130,000 units.

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/business/automobile/40039276

And yet

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

EV market share grew

30% in March

2% in April

11% in May

10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

On this forum you need to backup your numbers with hard evidence or you will be accused of publiishing fake news

josephbloggs · July 28

38 minutes ago, transam said:

The new ICE engines, you are on the wrong thread.......🙄

Tell the guy I was replying to then. Or are only anti EV / anti China people allowed to go off topic?

It's always like being in the school playground when transam is around.

JBChiangRai · July 28

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

On this forum you need to backup your numbers with hard evidence or you will be accused of publiishing fake news

Here you go

Source @ExpatOilWorker who got them from www.autolifethailand.tv

Putting these numbers in context

February 92.6% of new cars were ICE powered
March 89.4% of new cars were ICE powered
April 89.2% of new cars were ICE powered
May 87.9% of new cars were ICE powered
June 86.6% of new cars were ICE powered

As you can see the market share of ICE cars dropped every month

Compare that to the market share of new EV's

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

As you can see the market share of EV's increased every month

In fact, EV market share grew

30% in March
2% in April
11% in May
10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

vinny41 · July 28

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Here you go

Source @ExpatOilWorker who got them from www.autolifethailand.tv

Putting these numbers in context

February 92.6% of new cars were ICE powered

March 89.4% of new cars were ICE powered

April 89.2% of new cars were ICE powered

May 87.9% of new cars were ICE powered

June 86.6% of new cars were ICE powered

As you can see the market share of ICE cars dropped every month

Compare that to the market share of new EV's

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

As you can see the market share of EV's increased every month

In fact, EV market share grew

30% in March

2% in April

11% in May

10% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in droves.

Thats not evidence, evidence needs to come from an offical source and as you know

The numbers I provided was every vehicle that is required to register with the DLT including electric motor cycles

The stats provided by @ExpatOilWorker only represent a single category of type of road vehicle and that is

category R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people and as aa result are not a true representation of all ICE vehicles registered with the DLT

JBChiangRai · July 28

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Thats not evidence, evidence needs to come from an offical source and as you know

The numbers I provided was every vehicle that is required to register with the DLT including electric motor cycles

The stats provided by @ExpatOilWorker only represent a single category of type of road vehicle and that is

category R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people and as aa result are not a true representation of all ICE vehicles registered with the DLT

Nonsense.

Those figures compare "ALL" RY.1 ICE to "ALL" RY.1 EV.

The trend is there for anyone to see.

Edited July 28 by JBChiangRai

ExpatOilWorker · July 28

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

However you slice and dice it

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

EV market share grew

30% in March

2% in April

11% in May

10% in June

The electromagnetic fields are again playing tricks with your percentage calculating skills. Did you catch BYDifitis?

How on earth 🌎 did you get 30% for March???? 🤪

It should be 43%

May should be 12%, not 11%.

June 10.7%, sigh 😕, round up to 11%

Let me be a gentleman and fix it for you, I will even add February for free 😊 😃 😀.

-64% February (minus!!!)

43% March

2% April

12% May

11% June

JBChiangRai · July 28

1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The electromagnetic fields are again playing tricks with your percentage calculating skills. Did you catch BYDifitis?

How on earth 🌎 did you get 30% for March???? 🤪

It should be 43%

May should be 12%, not 11%.

June 10.7%, sigh 😕, round up to 11%

Let me be a gentleman and fix it for you, I will even add February for free 😊 😃 😀.

-64% February (minus!!!)

43% March

2% April

12% May

11% June

Thank you

JBChiangRai · July 28

6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The electromagnetic fields are again playing tricks with your percentage calculating skills. Did you catch BYDifitis?

How on earth 🌎 did you get 30% for March???? 🤪

It should be 43%

May should be 12%, not 11%.

June 10.7%, sigh 😕, round up to 11%

Let me be a gentleman and fix it for you, I will even add February for free 😊 😃 😀.

-64% February (minus!!!)

43% March

2% April

12% May

11% June

Putting these numbers in context

February 92.6% of new cars were ICE powered
March 89.4% of new cars were ICE powered
April 89.2% of new cars were ICE powered
May 87.9% of new cars were ICE powered
June 86.6% of new cars were ICE powered

As you can see the market share of ICE cars dropped every month

Compare that to the market share of new EV's

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

As you can see the market share of EV's increased every month

In fact, EV market share grew

43% in March
2% in April
12% in May
11% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in DOUBLE droves.

In the jungle · July 28

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Putting these numbers in context

February 92.6% of new cars were ICE powered

March 89.4% of new cars were ICE powered

April 89.2% of new cars were ICE powered

May 87.9% of new cars were ICE powered

June 86.6% of new cars were ICE powered

As you can see the market share of ICE cars dropped every month

Compare that to the market share of new EV's

February 7.4% of new cars were EV's

March 10.6% of new cars were EV's

April 10.8% of new cars were EV's

May 12.1% of new cars were EV's

June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

As you can see the market share of EV's increased every month

In fact, EV market share grew

43% in March

2% in April

12% in May

11% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in DOUBLE droves.

I pointed out on another topic that the figures you are peddling arbitrarily exclude large numbers of ICE pick ups. Yet here you are peddling the same figures again.

vinny41 · July 28

6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The electromagnetic fields are again playing tricks with your percentage calculating skills. Did you catch BYDifitis?

How on earth 🌎 did you get 30% for March???? 🤪

It should be 43%

May should be 12%, not 11%.

June 10.7%, sigh 😕, round up to 11%

Let me be a gentleman and fix it for you, I will even add February for free 😊 😃 😀.

-64% February (minus!!!)

43% March

2% April

12% May

11% June

You must be smoking the same stuff as JB

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people

Total number of cars registered March 2024 45,315 which includes 4,720 EV's

Total number of cars registered April 2024 38,022 which includes 4007 EV's

Total number of cars registered May 2024 43,196 which includes 5,270 EV's

The EV market share of 30% in March is a total figment of anyone's imagination

motdaeng · July 28

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You must be smoking the same stuff as JB

that is a good one ... 5555

JBChiangRai · July 28

8 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

I pointed out on another topic that the figures you are peddling arbitrarily exclude large numbers of ICE pick ups. Yet here you are peddling the same figures again.

There aren't any EV pickups on the market yet, when there are, I will gladly compare them to ICE pickups.

The same goes for tractors, road rollers and all the others you wanted included.

My figures include ALL of the RY.1 passenger cars. That is where we currently have EV's sold.

ALL petrol/diesel RY.1 were included and the same for EV's

I compared apples to apples, not apples to apples, pears, oranges, prunes, grapes and other irrelevancies.

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