The New ICE Engines..

[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Putting these numbers in context

• February 92.6% of new cars were ICE powered
• March 89.4% of new cars were ICE powered
• April 89.2% of new cars were ICE powered
• May 87.9% of new cars were ICE powered
• June 86.6% of new cars were ICE powered

As you can see the market share of ICE cars dropped every month

 

 

Compare that to the market share of new EV's

• February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
• March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
• April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
• May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
• June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

As you can see the market share of EV's increased every month

 

 

In fact, EV market share grew 

• 43% in March
• 2% in April
• 12% in May
• 11% in June

The fact is that people are switching to EV's in DOUBLE droves.

Anyone interested in real numbers should ignore the % pedalled by JB

numbers can be verified from the DLT website

https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people

Total number of cars registered March 2024 45,315 which includes 4,720 EV's

Total number of cars registered April 2024 38,022 which includes 4007 EV's

Total number of cars registered May 2024 43,196 which includes 5,270 EV's

[JBChiangRai]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You must be smoking the same stuff as JB

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people

Total number of cars registered March 2024 45,315 which includes 4,720 EV's

Total number of cars registered April 2024 38,022 which includes 4007 EV's

Total number of cars registered May 2024 43,196 which includes 5,270 EV's

The EV market share of 30% in March is a total figment of anyone's imagination

 

 

I never said the market share of EV's was 30% in March.  Go back over my post and re-read it.

 

If you want to work it out yourself, you may need some crayons.

[sandyf]

Batteries were nver really a viable option for the aviation industry so they are researching alternative fuels. The motor industry being a much more fragmented sector saw different entities fighting over the fastest possible solution.

Trying to store electricity has the potential to be instantaneously disastrous, only time will tell if they all shot off in the wrong direction or not.

When the aviation sector has resolved the fuel issue, every chance there will be a change in direction for the motor industry, leaving a disposal problem for taxpayers around the globe.

 

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Batteries were nver really a viable option for the aviation industry so they are researching alternative fuels. The motor industry being a much more fragmented sector saw different entities fighting over the fastest possible solution.

Trying to store electricity has the potential to be instantaneously disastrous, only time will tell if they all shot off in the wrong direction or not.

When the aviation sector has resolved the fuel issue, every chance there will be a change in direction for the motor industry, leaving a disposal problem for taxpayers around the globe.

 

 

I don't agree with your conclusion.  We don't know what the aviation industry will do and it will more than likely be irrelevant to the car industry.

[JBChiangRai]

10 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Anyone interested in real numbers should ignore the % pedalled by JB

numbers can be verified from the DLT website

https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people

Total number of cars registered March 2024 45,315 which includes 4,720 EV's 10.4% were EV's

Total number of cars registered April 2024 38,022 which includes 4007 EV's    10.5% were EV's

Total number of cars registered May 2024 43,196 which includes 5,270 EV's    12.2% were EV's

 

I have worked out the percentages in your post and added them in bold.

 

It looks suspiciously like your figures support that EV market share continues to grow.

 

I believe this what is called an OWN GOAL.

 

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I don't agree with your conclusion.  We don't know what the aviation industry will do and it will more than likely be irrelevant to the car industry.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1249980332833653

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I have worked out the percentages in your post and added them in bold.

 

It looks suspiciously like your figures support that EV market share continues to grow.

 

I believe this what is called an OWN GOAL.

 

 

Any reason why you did not include March and June?

[sandyf]

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I don't agree with your conclusion.  We don't know what the aviation industry will do and it will more than likely be irrelevant to the car industry.

So  in your opinion it is out of the question that any fuel developed for aviation could not be used by the motor industry.

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1249980332833653

 

This is for an NMC or NCA battery.  Most people buy LFP batteries (all BYD cars are LFP)

 

LFP batteries don't do that.

[sandyf]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

This is for an NMC or NCA battery.  Most people buy LFP batteries (all BYD cars are LFP)

 

LFP batteries don't do that.

So in your opinion there is no possibility of rapid discharge occurring in an electric powered motor vehicle.

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I have worked out the percentages in your post and added them in bold.

 

It looks suspiciously like your figures support that EV market share continues to grow.

 

I believe this what is called an OWN GOAL.

 

You really are showing yourself to be a complete moron

Since before EV's became available they ICE vehicles had 100% market share

now that EV's are available the ICE market share is slowly being reduced by purchase of EV's

but not in the numbers you hoping for 

 

[JBChiangRai]

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

So  in your opinion it is out of the question that any fuel developed for aviation could not be used by the motor industry.

 

It's a question of economics.

 

Porsche already have a factory in South America producing Nett Zero fuel.  It's still polluting but they generate it in a way that is a carbon sink so overall it's a zero.

 

The first issue we need to consider is the engine type.  ICE engines burning any type of fuel have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.  They are inefficient and prone to failure.

 

Then there's the issue of cost.  We use underground refined carbons because it is economic to do so.  I don't see an economic alternative.  Clearly it's not Hydrogen because it's 5 times more expensive per Km than an EV.

 

EV's are inherently more efficient.

 

We are also on an adoption curve for EV's that I think is hard to derail.  Customers like them, they like not having to visit a fuel station.

[JBChiangRai]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

So in your opinion there is no possibility of rapid discharge occurring in an electric powered motor vehicle.

 

I never said that.

 

Yes you can rapidly discharge any battery and it will overheat.  But the video you showed was a puncture test.  There is a video out there from BYD comparing that with one of their own batteries.  Their own battery reached 60C only.

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Any reason why you did not include March and June?

I think your losing it questioning your own posts

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

You really are showing yourself to be a complete moron

Since before EV's became available they ICE vehicles had 100% market share

now that EV's are available the ICE market share is slowly being reduced by purchase of EV's

but not in the numbers you hoping for 

 

 

I think you were a bit of a berk (moron might be a bit strong) for posting numbers that destroyed your argument.

 

Your own numbers demonstrated a trend of increasing EV market share.

[ExpatOilWorker]

36 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You must be smoking the same stuff as JB

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people

Total number of cars registered March 2024 45,315 which includes 4,720 EV's

Total number of cars registered April 2024 38,022 which includes 4007 EV's

Total number of cars registered May 2024 43,196 which includes 5,270 EV's

The EV market share of 30% in March is a total figment of anyone's imagination

 

The wine conneciour is doing a second derivative, the percentage change of a percentage value.

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

I think your losing it questioning your own posts

 

I'm questioning your post, you missed of a couple of months that would have made you look like a total idiot instead of just an ordinary idiot.

 

I used my post because it had the bold argument destroying percentages.

[ExpatOilWorker]

38 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You must be smoking the same stuff as JB

for R.Y. 1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people

Total number of cars registered March 2024 45,315 which includes 4,720 EV's

Total number of cars registered April 2024 38,022 which includes 4007 EV's

Total number of cars registered May 2024 43,196 which includes 5,270 EV's

The EV market share of 30% in March is a total figment of anyone's imagination

 

The wine conneciour is doing a second derivative, the percentage change of a percentage value.

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, ExpatOilWorker said:

The wine conneciour is doing a second derivative, the percentage change of a percentage value.

 

Connoisseur is the word you are looking for

[Ben Zioner]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

ICE's evolve just as EV's do. Remember the first Nissan Almeras, that could not pull the skin off a rice pudding? Addition of a turbo improved them considerably.

 

In my world, I have not sold something until I have got the money in my hot little hands.

 

I have a real problem with EV's starting at 429k THB. BYD and MG are established brands. The el cheapos are produced by companies I have never heard of, no way of knowing whether such companies will even be around in the long term. No desire to be a lab rat.

 

As you have already posted you are well-heeled enough to afford 5 EV's in a row, perhaps you could purchase one of these bargains, and report back. Mind you, they do look like sardine cans on wheels.

Ok, I promise: if or when the Atto 3 drops below half a Million I'll buy one. Would be an excellent cheap second car for short trips.

Edited July 28 by Ben Zioner

[JBChiangRai]

42 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 

The EV market share of 30% in March is a total figment of anyone's imagination

 

 

4 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The wine conneciour is doing a second derivative, the percentage change of a percentage value.

 

I said the market share of EV's grew 30% in March.

 

7.4% in February to 10.6% in March is actually a 40% growth as you were kind enough to point out, I calculated incorrectly at 30%.  My original post is below.

 

 

However you slice and dice it 

• February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
• March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
• April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
• May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
• June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

 

EV market share grew 

• 30% in March
• 2% in April
• 11% in May
• 10% in June

[JBChiangRai]

@vinny41 please post some more numbers.

 

I haven't had so much pleasure since I evacuated my bowels this morning.

[transam]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Tell the guy I was replying to then. Or are only anti EV / anti China people allowed to go off topic?

It's always like being in the school playground when transam is around.

Great, glad you're having fun........

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Ok, I promise: if or when the Atto 3 drops below half a Million I'll buy one. Would be an excellent cheap second car for short trips.

ATTO 3 is a BYD brand. I am talking about the unknowns KhunLa or JB posted.

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

@vinny41 please post some more numbers.

 

I haven't had so much pleasure since I evacuated my bowels this morning.

Which end did you use?

[vinny41]

28 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

I said the market share of EV's grew 30% in March.

 

7.4% in February to 10.6% in March is actually a 40% growth as you were kind enough to point out, I calculated incorrectly at 30%.  My original post is below.

 

 

However you slice and dice it 

• February 7.4% of new cars were EV's
• March 10.6% of new cars were EV's
• April 10.8% of new cars were EV's
• May 12.1% of new cars were EV's
• June 13.4% of new cars were EV's.

 

EV market share grew 

• 30% in March
• 2% in April
• 11% in May
• 10% in June

Posting more rubbish maybe your not aware out of the 17 different types of DLT vehicle categories

Cars are listed in 7 of the DLT vehicle categories but you choose to ignore 6 of those  vehicle categories

This website shows pictures of each different type of vehicle for each category

https://cityleasing.co.th/content21052021/#:~:text

Edited July 28 by vinny41
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[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Which end did you use?

 

The end I usually use on your lies.

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Posting more rubbish maybe your not aware out of the 17 different types of DLT vehicle categories

Cars are listed in 5 of the DLT vehicle categories but you choose to ignore 4 of those  vehicle categories

This website shows pictures of each different type of vehicle for each category

https://cityleasing.co.th/content21052021/#:~:text

 

I don't agree with you.

 

I used the one where all the EV's are sold and compared it to the total sales in that category.

 

I didn't include road rollers, mini-buses, tractors, tuk-tuks etc

 

The stats show a trend of growing demand for EV's and reducing demand for ICE.

 

Honda's sales have declined over 30% in the last couple of years, they have closed 5 factories including Thailand.  They see the problem at the sharp end.

 

 

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

The end I usually use on your lies.

You're a fine one to talk, posting meaningless percentages.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

So the sources and pictures in my following post are all fake?

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1334010-the-new-ice-engines/?do=findComment&comment=19099588

 

And don't get me started on your so called intelligence. 30% of nothing is just that, 30% more of nothing.

 

This is what is important

 

 

So the EVAT is shooting in their own foot and spreading fake news, according to your "intelligence"?

If there is any bad news about EC vehicles you can be reassured that the TV Evangelist will deny it, decry it as fake news or simply deny it.

 

He cannot and will not accept anything that is detrimental to EVs. Facts backed by links and reports mean mothing unless they are in favour of EVs.

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Those are percentages, not numbers which would indicate whether new car sales overall are up or down.

 

Don't insult my intelligence by posting disingenuous figures which have no meaning.

He doesn't post real numbers, only percentages.

 

Without real verifiable numbers and factual links, percentages are meaningless.