Curing Alcoholic people

[SAFETY FIRST]

13 minutes ago, bob smith said:

they are full of hookers and 99% of them are ugly.

 

they are mostly freelancers who can't get a job working in the bars.

 

bob.

Yep, you've got to fine tune your search. 

Avoid at all times Pattaya (and similar areas) girls, they've been brainwashed. 

 

It takes time and patience but it will pay off. 

 

I've only used the app a couple of times, I don't do short time, always look for a long term relationship. 

 

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Oh dear, it's nice to see a reply from a true professional. 

 

An outstanding reply with lots of factual information to back up your theory. 

 

Well done to you Mr TypicalANmember. 🤣

 

 

 

An outstanding reply with lots of factual information to back up your theory. 

White women do not arouse me, I must take Viagra to have sex with them. 

 

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Yep, you've got to fine tune your search. 

Avoid at all times Pattaya (and similar areas) girls, they've been brainwashed. 

 

It takes time and patience but it will pay off. 

 

I've only used the app a couple of times, I don't do short time, always look for a long term relationship. 

 

What's your longest? A week or two!

[BritManToo]

10 hours ago, bob smith said:

come off it, SAFETY.

 

All you end up with is the 2nd rate hand me downs that Thai men don't want!

 

Really beautiful Thai women wouldn't give you the time of day.

 

bob.

I've had many really beautiful women in Thailand/PI/Cambodia/Vietnam, all 7s and up. Back in the UK it was hard to get a 5.

OK, so they've all been a bit used by their 30s, but I'm also a bit used in my 60s.

[Prubangboy]

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

 

-Tom Waits, while seriously drunk.

[steven100]

2 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

 

-Tom Waits, while seriously drunk.

he was a very astute judge ....  

[Moonlover]

13 hours ago, gargamon said:

Alcoholism is a disease like being fat is a disease. Merely a mental crutch to make the afflicted person feel better.

Alcoholism is a chronic disease of the brain and there is no cure for it. The best that anyone can hope for is to control it.

 

The complete success rate for recovery treatments such as Alcoholics Anonymous is around 35%

 

[StreetCowboy]

15 hours ago, proton said:

 

Quite correct its an addiction they don't say heroin addiction is a disease so why lie about boozers. AA is the last thing I would try, a God based self flagellation group with a low success rate. The idea that you cannot stop drinking without help from a higher power is another lie.

AA is the last thing that a lot of people try. The other things didn’t work.

 

its like how you always find something in the last place that you look…

[StreetCowboy]

14 hours ago, KannikaP said:

And if you are an Atheist like me???? Or a Muslim or Buddhist who has gone astray.

Muslims believe in the same God.

[Middle Aged Grouch]

15 hours ago, bob smith said:

Not as cheap as it used to be though apparently!

 

My mate tom ended up down soi cowboy last month and he said they were quoting 10,000 for long time.

 

ludicrous!

 

bob.

10'000 thb for a long time and the special bonus in waking up drugged, robbed  and with a STD as a souvenir ?

[Lemsta69]

19 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Earlier this year I "discontinued" if that's the right word and please don't quote me on that....but I discontinued a friendship with a person I have known the last 10 years .

Actually he was a former tenant of mine .

He was a drinker and used to go to Bali every 3 months to get sloshed drunk.

Back in January he ended up in hospital ( in Australia) after getting knocked out walking home drunk 

 

He was referred to a group called AA , apparently stands for Alcoholics Anonymous 

 

He rang me one Sunday morning said could I walk there with him ,it was his very first visit 

I did that ...he went in to the group who I saw were shaking their hands alcohol shake ....shake ..shake hands 

 

After that I "discontinued" yes same word ... "discontinued" our friendship 

 

I saw him yesterday he knocked on my door 🚪 

He was healed by AA .

AA who ?

A worldwide group called Alcohol Anonymous 

Refused to touch a drop since he said 

 

He looked scared and fearful everytime I asked him about the AA meeting, refused to elaborate 

 

His eyes were scared ,he wouldn't talk about it.

 

What are they scaring people in this AA group and saying ?

 

Can we cure alcoholicm?

Is it a disease ?

Right now I'm crying in sadness at my friends cure and his heal from the dangers the mysterious world of drinking 🍾🍾

Crying in joy ...crying in his sadness or mysterious reasons on what this "group" did to make him "healed" 

 

Thankyou for your service 🙏 

 

At your age, if you didn't already know what AA is, then you're doing something wrong. 

[StreetCowboy]

16 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

 

At your age, if you didn't already know what AA is, then you're doing something wrong. 

Maybe he’s not doing anything wrong ,  and sadly missing out, as a consequence.  The suffering that the innocent and naive miss out on is half of what makes life fun.

[Lemsta69]

4 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Maybe he’s not doing anything wrong ,  and sadly missing out, as a consequence.  The suffering that the innocent and naive miss out on is half of what makes life fun.

 

It's an Aussie thing, at least that's my experience from growing up there. You'll say "I heard Davo has been going to AA meetings" and the response will be "AA?, never heard of it mate".

 

Then you say, "Yeah mate, AA is Alcoholics Anonymous, it's a program from the Septics to try to get alkies back on track". The response will be "yeah nah, dunno".

 

Well you do know because I just bloody told ya!  Then you have to start talking about V8s or footy or they get start getting upset 😅

[fredwiggy]

6 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

AA is the last thing that a lot of people try. The other things didn’t work.

 

its like how you always find something in the last place that you look…

AA is where alcoholics go after a hospital stint to detox. Talk therapy works for many things, and sharing instead of keeping it inside shows others are also having trouble and they can relate.

[KannikaP]

8 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

Muslims believe in the same God.

OK, a Rastafarian! Who do they go to in order to help stop drinking.

[daveAustin]

On 8/12/2024 at 12:12 AM, fredwiggy said:

Genetics are maybe half of how a person becomes an alcoholic. Most everyone has friends who drink, and most everyone tries a drink when they are young. Part rebellion, part curiosity, part wanting to fit in. The problem arises when either a person is prone , by genetics, to keep going overboard, or liking the taste of drink, and drinking with friends until they get hooked. Some people should never drink, either being predisposed or by a weakness to let it take control.

 

A person can drink wine or a beer everyday and not be an alcoholic, if they can go without it when they want. Drinking a twelve pack or a bottle of whiskey every day is a problem. The body gets used to drinking and the mind also wants it. Many have depression worldwide and drink to make the hurt go away, at least for awhile. Self medicating is done with drink and drugs, whatever their choice, and isn't a substitute for an antidepressant drug (the right one). So many see their parents drinking a lot and think it's okay.

 

My mom and dad drank a little now and then, and I saw it as socializing. I tried drinking when I was young, getting drunk a few times and not liking it. I was always into fitness, so that kept me away from most of it. I got into wine, learning a lot about it, and enjoyed, with friends, many bottles of good wine. Even had a collection of a few hundred bottles. I always shared and never drank alone that I can remember, and with the wine, it was a couple of glasses and not to get wasted. I can take it or leave it, and I'm glad, because I've seen what it can do to friends.

 

Some drink to forget, but it doesn't happen for long. Life is till there when you're sober. Some drink because they are hurting and angry and again, life comes back, and anger and drinking gets many in real trouble. The only way to "cure" it, is not doing it. Will power has to be learned if you already don't have it, and AA is there because many don't. Just like having depression, talking to others in the know, feeling heard, helps more than most anything.

Agree with most of that. Our messed up societies drive people to it. Not an alcoholic and can go without whenever (usually do during the week), but went sober for several months on a couple occasions and it was incredibly grey and dull.

[fredwiggy]

37 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Agree with most of that. Our messed up societies drive people to it. Not an alcoholic and can go without whenever (usually do during the week), but went sober for several months on a couple occasions and it was incredibly grey and dull.

Nothing wrong with catching a buzz using alcohol or weed. Letting it control you is wrong. Over doing it also is wrong. You build up a tolerance and it takes more to fell that buzz again. The longer you abstain, the better everything is.

[spidermike007]

Have you ever noticed that human kind has weaknesses? Anyone should be given credit for making an attempt to improve their life. No matter what form it takes. A little support goes a long way. Being critical of someone making an effort to change and improve is just cold. AA has helped millions of people. The fact that you don't understand it, means nothing. 

 

Having said that, friendship is a truly fascinating relationship. It is one of the only relationships we have, that is entirely voluntary. We engage, because we want to engage. Friendships tend to evolve and change over the years. Some get better, some get worse. Some people become better versions of themselves as they get older, most don't. And they evolve. If it gets to the point where it is not worth it, we move on. 

[patman30]

Imagine abandoning a friend in their time of need
and then go on to criticize the people that actually did help them
and to try and imply they use some form of mental torture

[Cory1848]

On 8/12/2024 at 3:29 AM, georgegeorgia said:

Can we cure alcoholicm?

Is it a disease ?

Right now I'm crying in sadness at my friends cure and his heal from the dangers the mysterious world of drinking 🍾🍾

Crying in joy ...crying in his sadness or mysterious reasons on what this "group" did to make him "healed" 

 

Thankyou for your service 🙏 

Alcoholism is broadly considered a “disease” with both a genetic component and an environmental, or learned, component. It is a progressive disease -- the more you drink over time, the worse it gets. There is no cure for alcoholism, but the treatment, obviously enough, is to not consume alcohol.

 

AA meetings are not scary, or at least they shouldn’t be, and I can’t say why your friend is reluctant to talk about it. AA as an organization has weathered a fair amount of criticism, some of it perhaps warranted, as being cultish, religiously oriented, and so on. However, I think that such criticism misses the point. AA meetings serve a very basic purpose -- if you want to get through the day without drinking, it’s a place where you can go where everyone in the room shares the same desire. You can take whatever you need from an AA meeting, or whatever helps, and leave be whatever doesn’t. No one in an AA meeting is judging you.

 

I wish your friend all the best and hope that he continues to benefit from AA, if that’s what’s helping him stay sober, and I believe that you should support him in any way you can. All the best --

[georgegeorgia]

1 hour ago, patman30 said:

Imagine abandoning a friend in their time of need
and then go on to criticize the people that actually did help them
and to try and imply they use some form of mental torture

Absolutely shocking but so is the amount of sick leave you taken from your job and these mostly were  without medical certificates!

You never wanted to work especially Mondays ,have the balls to admit it Patman

 

So every weekend was a long weekend to you 

 

 

Do you think being carried by others during your work was just selfishness 

[novacova]

5 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Alcoholism is broadly considered a “disease” with both a genetic component and an environmental, or learned, component. It is a progressive disease

Alcoholism is a mental disorder that requires the sole mental fortitude of an individual to overcome. If mental weakness is a disease, then so be it.

[Cory1848]

On 8/13/2024 at 7:46 AM, KannikaP said:

OK, a Rastafarian! Who do they go to in order to help stop drinking.

AA started out as a Christian-based group and the word “God” turns up a lot, but now it’s usually phrased “God as we interpret him” or “Higher Power as we interpret it.” Religion is not an issue at AA.

[Cory1848]

11 minutes ago, novacova said:

Alcoholism is a mental disorder that requires the sole mental fortitude of an individual to overcome. If mental weakness is a disease, then so be it.

People can be genetically predisposed to alcoholism; this has been scientifically determined. So, no, “mental weakness” is not the whole story.

[KannikaP]

11 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

AA started out as a Christian-based group and the word “God” turns up a lot, but now it’s usually phrased “God as we interpret him” or “Higher Power as we interpret it.” Religion is not an issue at AA.

Well JC DID turn water into wine, and you get a slurp of the red stuff (blood) at Communion, so it must be OK.

[Gottfrid]

On 8/12/2024 at 6:12 AM, fredwiggy said:

The problem arises when either a person is prone , by genetics, to keep going overboard, or liking the taste of drink, and drinking with friends until they get hooked.

Hey Wiggy! Just because some people like different taste, has nothing to do with becoming an alcoholic. 

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Hey Wiggy! Just because some people like different taste, has nothing to do with becoming an alcoholic. 

Read it again

[KannikaP]

On 8/12/2024 at 9:43 AM, KannikaP said:

 

An outstanding reply with lots of factual information to back up your theory. 

White women do not arouse me, I must take Viagra to have sex with them. 

 

The second sentence was quoting the person I was replying to, not MY personal statement. 

[NoshowJones]

On 8/12/2024 at 6:12 AM, fredwiggy said:

Genetics are maybe half of how a person becomes an alcoholic. Most everyone has friends who drink, and most everyone tries a drink when they are young. Part rebellion, part curiosity, part wanting to fit in. The problem arises when either a person is prone , by genetics, to keep going overboard, or liking the taste of drink, and drinking with friends until they get hooked. Some people should never drink, either being predisposed or by a weakness to let it take control.

 

A person can drink wine or a beer everyday and not be an alcoholic, if they can go without it when they want. Drinking a twelve pack or a bottle of whiskey every day is a problem. The body gets used to drinking and the mind also wants it. Many have depression worldwide and drink to make the hurt go away, at least for awhile. Self medicating is done with drink and drugs, whatever their choice, and isn't a substitute for an antidepressant drug (the right one). So many see their parents drinking a lot and think it's okay.

 

My mom and dad drank a little now and then, and I saw it as socializing. I tried drinking when I was young, getting drunk a few times and not liking it. I was always into fitness, so that kept me away from most of it. I got into wine, learning a lot about it, and enjoyed, with friends, many bottles of good wine. Even had a collection of a few hundred bottles. I always shared and never drank alone that I can remember, and with the wine, it was a couple of glasses and not to get wasted. I can take it or leave it, and I'm glad, because I've seen what it can do to friends.

 

Some drink to forget, but it doesn't happen for long. Life is till there when you're sober. Some drink because they are hurting and angry and again, life comes back, and anger and drinking gets many in real trouble. The only way to "cure" it, is not doing it. Will power has to be learned if you already don't have it, and AA is there because many don't. Just like having depression, talking to others in the know, feeling heard, helps more than most anything.

I never even thought to taste alcohol when I was a young teenager, I saw my brothers, friends etc drink alcohol. I also played in a band and saw a lot of drinking.

The reason I never even tried drinking alcohol was simply because I hated the look of a glass of beer, also the smell. 

[1FinickyOne]

On 8/12/2024 at 4:13 AM, stoner said:

 

ahhhh ok. so they all just suddenly obtained this mental illness. 

And to think I had to work years to fully develop my neurosis