17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

One thing about jumping, there are almost no repeaters. Not from 14 floors up.

Thank god! Nobody would like to see that hospital bill.

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

People have different ways of ending themselves. The Roman way, drowning, jumping, chemically assisted. If they are resuscitated, they will repeat the procedure used. They don't change to another method.

 

One thing about jumping, there are almost no repeaters. Not from 14 floors up.

Carbon dioxide is the best solution! No physical risk for others and less risk for ptsd exposed risk for witnesses 

Just now, Hummin said:

Carbon dioxide is the best solution! No physical risk for others and less risk for ptsd exposed risk for witnesses 

Any inert gas which excludes oxygen.

27 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Carbon dioxide is the best solution! No physical risk for others and less risk for ptsd exposed risk for witnesses 

You'd have to be drugged up not to panic though as it would be literally suffocating. The body uses CO2 as a trigger to breath, and will be trying to do so without any O2. That's why Gregorkian's way was not always successful. The patient would panic. He didn't use CO2.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You'd have to be drugged up not to panic though as it would be literally suffocating. The body uses CO2 as a trigger to breath, and will be trying to do so without any O2. That's why Gregorkian's way was not always successful. The patient would panic. He didn't use CO2.

I have managed to hold my breath two times until I passed out by exercising breath hold for freediving. No pain, or anything, nothing, just a sliding door and out

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Any inert gas which excludes oxygen.

Do not even need a supplying gas 🤗

10 hours ago, maesariang said:

If they had suicide pills with no pain and 100% strike rate they would be hugely popular.

They do, it's called Thai beer.

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

I have managed to hold my breath two times until I passed out by exercising breath hold for freediving. No pain, or anything, nothing, just a sliding door and out

I can manage 15 seconds in a pinch. The reason, IMO, Gregorian used an inert gas and not CO2 is that it does not cause the body to want to breath, as CO2 does.

12 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Any inert gas which excludes oxygen.

If you breath pure O2 you will likely die as it does not trigger the breath reflex. That's why divers don't use pure O2, and patients on O2 therapy have to have presence of CO2 to make them breath.

 

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I can manage 15 seconds in a pinch. The reason, IMO, Gregorian used an inert gas and not CO2 is that it does not cause the body to want to breath, as CO2 does.

Nitrous oxide is ok 😄

On 9/6/2024 at 6:59 AM, Gottfrid said:

So, in short. Unintelligent persons with no ideas of how to take care of themselves.

No. In short, people suffering from major depression who's time to end their lives had come. It has nothing to do with taking care of yourself as many are well off who take their lives, and have many good things going for them. They get to a point where nothing matters anymore, and think tomorrow will bring just another bad day. Tomorrow can bring a good day, but they're thinking isn't positive at that point, so they do what they think is best. Nothing to do with intelligence, or a lack of either.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No. In short, people suffering from major depression who's time to end their lives had come. It has nothing to do with taking care of yourself as many are well off who take their lives, and have many good things going for them. They get to a point where nothing matters anymore, and think tomorrow will bring just another bad day. Tomorrow can bring a good day, but they're thinking isn't positive at that point, so they do what they think is best. Nothing to do with intelligence, or a lack of either.

I believe health and economic reasons is involved in most suicides by foreigners in Thailand. 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No. In short, people suffering from major depression who's time to end their lives had come. It has nothing to do with taking care of yourself as many are well off who take their lives, and have many good things going for them. They get to a point where nothing matters anymore, and think tomorrow will bring just another bad day. Tomorrow can bring a good day, but they're thinking isn't positive at that point, so they do what they think is best. Nothing to do with intelligence, or a lack of either.

OK, that doesn´t fit in my world. You know, you can have research and educated people in certain areas. The only thing they seem to do, is blaming actions on things we can not control. To me, it is like this:

 

• If you come to a point where nothing matters more, then you are an unstable person who can not understand better. Also, have no capability to find a solution to the problem.
• If you start to believe that the only thing tomorrow can bring, is another bad day. Yeah, then you have no ability to understand variations, nor the knowledge to understand differences.
• If you suddenly think committing suicide is the best option, then there is definitely a lack of something.

I will contribute all points above to lack of intelligence. When I do that, many of you will point on the big thing called depression made me do it! Right? A normal person equipped with normal intelligence, will be able to handle things that worry them as well as scary and sad things. A normally functioning person will be able to find a way to deal with their problems.

12 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

OK, that doesn´t fit in my world. You know, you can have research and educated people in certain areas. The only thing they seem to do, is blaming actions on things we can not control. To me, it is like this:

 

• If you come to a point where nothing matters more, then you are an unstable person who can not understand better. Also, have no capability to find a solution to the problem.
• If you start to believe that the only thing tomorrow can bring, is another bad day. Yeah, then you have no ability to understand variations, nor the knowledge to understand differences.
• If you suddenly think committing suicide is the best option, then there is definitely a lack of something.

I will contribute all points above to lack of intelligence. When I do that, many of you will point on the big thing called depression made me do it! Right? A normal person equipped with normal intelligence, will be able to handle things that worry them as well as scary and sad things. A normally functioning person will be able to find a way to deal with their problems.

The best way to understand something is to read up on it or be taught by teachers, or both. Understanding depression is only easier when you research it, as there is no way you can understand what is going through their minds otherwise, and even if you do research it, you will still not fully understand it unless you live it. Again, intelligence has nothing to do with having a disease, as most of it is hereditary. Depression is of course a lack of something, and intelligence isn't it. This is what it is..........The monoamine-deficiency theory posits that the underlying pathophysiological basis of depression is a depletion of the neurotransmitters serotonin, norepinephrine or dopamine in the central nervous system. Serotonin is the most extensively studied neurotransmitter in depression. Before you post nonsense, it's always better to actually know what you're talking about, because your opinions mean nothing. ..............https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/depression/are-intelligence-and-depression-directly-or-indirectly-related/

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The best way to understand something is to read up on it or be taught by teachers, or both. Understanding depression is only easier when you research it, as there is no way you can understand what is going through their minds otherwise, and even if you do research it, you will still not fully understand it unless you live it. Again, intelligence has nothing to do with having a disease, as most of it is hereditary. Depression is of course a lack of something, and intelligence isn't it. This is what it is..........The monoamine-deficiency theory posits that the underlying pathophysiological basis of depression is a depletion of the neurotransmitters serotonin, norepinephrine or dopamine in the central nervous system. Serotonin is the most extensively studied neurotransmitter in depression. Before you post nonsense, it's always better to actually know what you're talking about, because your opinions mean nothing.

That was a lot of scientific babble. I take as a good excuse, for not being smart enough to refrain from jumping. Cool that they have so many fancy words, names and expressions for it.

1 minute ago, Gottfrid said:

That was a lot of scientific babble. I take as a good excuse, for not being smart enough to refrain from jumping. Cool that they have so many fancy words, names and expressions for it.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it babble. Read the article, the whole article, then you might get it. A small list............

Alan Turing was the British mathematician who helped decode the Enigma machine and end WWII. He is still considered one of the most brilliant scientists of the 20th century. He killed himself in 1954 after being persecuted for being gay.

Edwin Armstrong, American inventor of FM radio, also killed himself in 1954.

George Eastman, of Eastman Kodak, who invented roll film, killed himself in 1932.

Wallace Carothers, the inventor of nylon at Dupont, committed suicide in 1937.

Yukio Mishima, an incredible writer and poet, committed seppuku in 1970.

Actually, the list could be much, much longer if you included both the artistic and scientific communities.

But the death of Alan Turing may have been one of civilization's greatest wastes of a true genius. Had it not been for his work, millions more may have died during WWII. His persecution was cruelly needless and his death a great loss.

Ludwig Boltzmann - one of the founders of statistical mechanics (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Boltzmann ), and who had some ideas that were clearly well ahead of his time (like the Boltzmann brain), which you can see in Sean Carroll's From Eternity to Here

 

Boltzmann was subject to rapid alternation of depressed moods with elevated, expansive or irritable moods, likely the symptoms of undiagnosed bipolar disorder. He himself jestingly attributed his rapid swings in temperament to the fact that he was born during the night between Mardi Gras and Ash Wednesday.[4] Meitner relates that those who were close to Boltzmann were aware of his bouts of severe depression and his suicide attempts.
On September 5, 1906, while on a summer vacation in Duino, near Trieste, Boltzmann hanged himself during an attack of depression.[5] He is buried in the Viennese Zentralfriedhof; his tombstone bears the inscription..

Andew E. Lange, Caltech physicist who committed suicide in 2010 (see http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-andrew-lange28-2010jan28,0,878557.story )

 

Lange was best known as co-leader of project "Boomerang," which in 1998 used a telescope, carried over Antarctica by a balloon for 10 1/2 days, to study the so-called cosmic microwave background -- a gas of thermal radiation left over from the embryonic universe.

The experiment showed the spatial geometry of the universe is flat and supported theories that it will expand forever and not collapse upon itself.

The observations were considered the first detailed images of the infant universe, according to Caltech. They largely matched predictions and suggested that scientists are on the right track in understanding the earliest moments of the universe, its age and the amount of so-called dark matter that holds galaxies together.

How much is a basic cremation here?

 

 

14 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

How much is a basic cremation here?

 

 

6K

2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

How much is a basic cremation here?

 

 

There you have it! You have answered my question. 🤣

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it babble. Read the article, the whole article, then you might get it. A small list............

Alan Turing was the British mathematician who helped decode the Enigma machine and end WWII. He is still considered one of the most brilliant scientists of the 20th century. He killed himself in 1954 after being persecuted for being gay.

Edwin Armstrong, American inventor of FM radio, also killed himself in 1954.

George Eastman, of Eastman Kodak, who invented roll film, killed himself in 1932.

Wallace Carothers, the inventor of nylon at Dupont, committed suicide in 1937.

Yukio Mishima, an incredible writer and poet, committed seppuku in 1970.

Actually, the list could be much, much longer if you included both the artistic and scientific communities.

But the death of Alan Turing may have been one of civilization's greatest wastes of a true genius. Had it not been for his work, millions more may have died during WWII. His persecution was cruelly needless and his death a great loss.

Ludwig Boltzmann - one of the founders of statistical mechanics (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Boltzmann ), and who had some ideas that were clearly well ahead of his time (like the Boltzmann brain), which you can see in Sean Carroll's From Eternity to Here

 

Boltzmann was subject to rapid alternation of depressed moods with elevated, expansive or irritable moods, likely the symptoms of undiagnosed bipolar disorder. He himself jestingly attributed his rapid swings in temperament to the fact that he was born during the night between Mardi Gras and Ash Wednesday.[4] Meitner relates that those who were close to Boltzmann were aware of his bouts of severe depression and his suicide attempts.
On September 5, 1906, while on a summer vacation in Duino, near Trieste, Boltzmann hanged himself during an attack of depression.[5] He is buried in the Viennese Zentralfriedhof; his tombstone bears the inscription..

Andew E. Lange, Caltech physicist who committed suicide in 2010 (see http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-andrew-lange28-2010jan28,0,878557.story )

 

Lange was best known as co-leader of project "Boomerang," which in 1998 used a telescope, carried over Antarctica by a balloon for 10 1/2 days, to study the so-called cosmic microwave background -- a gas of thermal radiation left over from the embryonic universe.

The experiment showed the spatial geometry of the universe is flat and supported theories that it will expand forever and not collapse upon itself.

The observations were considered the first detailed images of the infant universe, according to Caltech. They largely matched predictions and suggested that scientists are on the right track in understanding the earliest moments of the universe, its age and the amount of so-called dark matter that holds galaxies together.

Thanks for the history lesson.

On 9/10/2024 at 1:04 PM, Hummin said:

 

Nitrous oxide is ok 😄

WE had nitrous on the wards for pain relief while doing hard dressings, and I'd keep sneaking a few puffs. It's great. Gives a high that has no after effects, wears off instantly one stops breathing it, and does not cause addiction. Of course the stuff they use in hospitals is not pure nitrous, and is mixed with air.

On 9/10/2024 at 1:48 PM, fredwiggy said:

Lange was best known as co-leader of project "Boomerang," which in 1998 used a telescope, carried over Antarctica by a balloon for 10 1/2 days, to study the so-called cosmic microwave background -- a gas of thermal radiation left over from the embryonic universe.

When I was in Antarctica an American friend of mine lived alone in a large building that did nothing but measure cosmic rays. The building was very isolated so we'd get together and go 10 pin bowling at McMurdo so he had something enjoyable to do.

 

https://popantarctica.wordpress.com/2015/11/06/cosray/

The longest continuously running experiment here at McMurdo is the Cosmic Ray Observatory, Cosray, which has been studying low-energy cosmic rays since 1960.

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

His work was regarded as top secret so the people that prosecuted him had no clue. Blame the <deleted> that knew and didn't try to save him. <deleted> government <deleted>.

That quote I responded to was from @fredwiggy. Sorry about the wrong attribution.

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

WE had nitrous on the wards for pain relief while doing hard dressings, and I'd keep sneaking a few puffs. It's great. Gives a high that has no after effects, wears off instantly one stops breathing it, and does not cause addiction. Of course the stuff they use in hospitals is not pure nitrous, and is mixed with air.

If enjoying it to much, you will have side effects on your nervous system, and can harm the brain since it is highly fat soluble. 

Just now, Hummin said:

If enjoying it to much, you will have side effects on your nervous system, and can harm the brain since it is highly fat soluble. 

I didn't use it all the time. Just occasionally. I think you are confusing pure nitrous with Entenox, which is the dilute version used for pain relief. It's safe for women in long labours to use, and it's used in general anaesthetics too, far as I remember.

On 9/10/2024 at 3:27 AM, Gottfrid said:

will contribute all points above to lack of intelligence

I'd say it's completely opposite!

 

Stupid people never kill themselves...

They are happy like barn animals no matter what conditions are. They eat, sleep and fxxk and be happy.

For intelligent people suicide is viable option.

 

 

34 minutes ago, GypsyT said:

I'd say it's completely opposite!

 

Stupid people never kill themselves...

They are happy like barn animals no matter what conditions are. They eat, sleep and fxxk and be happy.

For intelligent people suicide is viable option.

 

 

Ops! Way too many different layers here, my dear Watson. There are stupid people who don´t know they are stupid. They don´t suffer or kill themselves. Besides that, there are stupid people who know they are stupid, and they might see the option to kill themselves.

I work almost every day now.  All I have to look forward to is Seven Eleven.

 

Recent trips have been 'sit in a hot spring with grandma' and 'drive 12 hours eat som tam drive back'.

 

The girl at Seven Eleven put my coffee in a bag.  Girl friend said she will buy buns.  It was the putrid 'sala pao' things.

 

Things can get hard.

28 minutes ago, Chris Daley said:

Things can get hard.

Yeah, like for the ones who jumps from buildings. The last thing they touch, is very hard.

41 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, like for the ones who jumps from buildings. The last thing they touch, is very hard.

I do watch a lot of movies since I am retired and in most movies criminals or hunted people mention to flee to Thailand why is that?